

Knowledge for Teachers
Brendan Lee
In the Knowledge for Teachers podcast, host Brendan Lee will be chatting to researchers, teachers and experts about what evidence-informed education is and the nuances involved with actually implementing effective and sustainable school based education.
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May 27, 2023 • 1h 8min
13 - Jordan O’Sullivan on Shaping Minds and Practices
In this episode of the Knowledge for Teachers podcast, Brendan Lee chats with Jordan O’Sullivan from Shaping Minds. Together with Jared Bussell and now Brooke Wardana, they have been supporting teachers in implementing the science of learning in the classroom through practical professional learning combined with lesson demonstrations. For this podcast, Jordan goes through the simple memory model, the process of building a mathematics curriculum, delivering effective PL and much much more.
Resources mentioned:
Willingham’s Simple Memory Model (Article by Tom Sherrington and graphic by Oliver Caviglioli)
Fred Jones - Tools for Teaching
Ybarra and Hollingsworth’s Explicit Direct Instruction
Archer and Hughes - Explicit Instruction
Guskey, Thomas. (2002). Professional Development and Teacher Change. Teachers and Teaching. 8. 381-391. 10.1080/135406002100000512
Sarah Cottingham - https://overpractised.wordpress.com/
Craig Barton - How I wish I’d taught maths
Kirschner, P. A., Sweller, J., & Clark, R. E. (2006). Why minimal guidance during instruction does not work: An analysis of the failure of constructivist, discovery, problem-based, experiential, and inquiry-based teaching. Educational psychologist, 41(2), 75-86.
Ollie Lovell - Cognitive Load Theory in Action
You can connect with:
Twitter: @ShapingmindsAus
Facebook: @ShapingMindsAustralia/
Website: https://shapingminds.com.au/
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net

May 12, 2023 • 57min
12 - Troy Verey on developing a whole school curriculum and what it looks like in the classroom
This is the second episode of the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast, which focuses on Marsden Road Public School. In the previous chat, Brendan Lee spoke with Marsden Road’s Principal, Manisha Gazula. Her story has inspired thousands of educators around the world. In this conversation, you will hear from Deputy Principal, Troy Verey. He is a highly respected educator in his own right and is also a shining example of Manisha’s ability to support the development of her staff. Throughout the conversation, Troy details the Core Program and describes what it looks like in the classroom.
Resources mentioned:
www.training247.com.au/
Get Reading Right
Pr1ME Maths
Doug Lemov
John Sweller
Daniel Willingham’s Why Don’t Students Like School
Rosenshine’s Principles
Ybarra and Hollingsworth’s Explicit Direct Instruction
Lorraine Hammond
Australian Education Research Organisation (AERO)
Castles, A., Rastle, K., & Nation, K. (2018). Ending the reading wars: Reading acquisition from novice to expert. Psychological Science in the Public Interest, 19(1), 5-51.
You can connect with Troy:
Twitter: @TVtheTeacher
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net

May 5, 2023 • 1h 14min
11 - Manisha Gazula on how Marsden Road PS turned around its reading and maths results
In this episode of the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast, Brendan Lee had the opportunity of visiting Marsden Road Public School and then speaking to the Principal, Manisha Gazula. Marsden Road has recently featured in a number of reports from the Grattan Institute on role-model schools from around the country. This is the first of a two part series on the school. In the next episode, you will hear from Deputy Principal Troy Verey.
Manisha’s leadership style has been compared to Katherine Birbilsingh from Michaela Community School in the UK. However, in this conversation you will hear how Manisha’s clear vision, high expectations and relentless care have turned the schools results and culture around. Manisha also details their behaviour curriculum called The Marsden Way and their whole school curriculum - the Core Program.
Resources mentioned:
Joanne Dooner - www.training247.com.au/
Dan Willingham
Mark Seidenberg
The Grattan Institute - Jordana Hunter and Amy Haywood
How to implement a whole-school curriculum approach
Ending the lesson lottery: How to improve curriculum planning in schools
You can connect with Manisha:
Twitter: @manisha_gazula
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net

Apr 22, 2023 • 1h 9min
10 - Kieran Mackle thinking deeply about the science of maths
In this episode of the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast, Brendan Lee speaks to Kieran Mackle. Kieran is a primary mathematics specialist teacher from the UK, an author and is currently working with Complete Maths. He is also the host of Thinking Deeply about Primary Education, a podcast that should be on your playlist, and this episode is actually the second part of our conversation. In the first part, Kieran quizzes me for his podcast. However, in this episode you will get an in-depth look at how deeply Kieran has thought about primary mathematics. We look at a number of topics including:
Concrete, context, pictorial, abstract, language
Threshold concepts
Depth and Challenge
Storytelling
Word problems
In this episode, Kieran also analyses the lesson structure that I recently proposed.
Resources mentioned:
Christopher Such
Neil Almond
www.thinkingdeeply.info/threshold-concepts
Jonathan Hall - mathsbot.com
Gareth Metcalfe - https://garethmetcalfe.wordpress.com/
Dan Willingham
Nick Hart
Part 1 of the conversation: Episode 120 Thinking Deeply about Primary Education - In search of the Science of Mathematics (Teaching) with Brendan Lee
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/thinking-deeply-about-primary-education/id1546748470?i=1000609050064
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6De7GSKd2DlEoTxUFI4w0m?si=1RmPR-P3S6aYE54CsV1aDQ&fbclid=IwAR0yZzIAvzTgDrP3aN8_myL-3ZLBDi6KpAmJBYEfrGii2ObTkr1ABqplfhY&nd=1
My original blog post on A Systematic and Structured Approach to Teaching Primary Mathematics:
https://www.learnwithlee.net/a-systematic-and-structured-approach-to-teaching-primary-mathematics-part-1/
You can connect with Kieran:
Twitter: @Kieran_M_Ed
Website: thinkingdeeply.info
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net

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Apr 2, 2023 • 1h 48min
09 - Karen Tzanetopoulos on the Science of Math Learning in Research and Practice
Karen Tzanetopoulos, a trained speech and language pathologist and co-author of "How Children Learn Math," shares her journey from a small office to becoming a math education expert. She explores the crucial link between language skills and math learning, emphasizing the need for innovative teaching strategies. Karen discusses how foundational skills, creativity in problem-solving, and early exposure to mathematical language can foster fluency. Her insights help bridge the gap for students with language disorders, making math more accessible and engaging.

Mar 26, 2023 • 1h 21min
08 - Rouzana Komesidou on implementation science in schools
In this episode of the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast, Brendan Lee speaks to Dr. Rouzana Komesidou, a researcher who fell into implementation science after seeing the gap between research and practice in schools. In our conversation, she gives an overview of what things schools should consider before implementing something, how leaders can support the process and what things to avoid.
Resources mentioned in this conversation:
Dr. Tiffany Hogan
Dr. James Mannion
A Generic Implementation Framework for School-based Research and Practice:
Pre-print: https://osf.io/6zpq7/
Toolkit: https://osf.io/mzb5d
You can connect with Rouzana:
Twitter: @rkomesidou
Website: https://mosinian.com/
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net

Mar 18, 2023 • 57min
07 - Greg Clement on achieving school excellence through the science of reading
In this episode of the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast, Brendan Lee speaks to former principal, Greg Clement. In this conversation, we find out how he transformed Clayton South Primary School from the worst school in the network to the second best within 12 months. Greg also speaks about how a speech pathologist set him on the science of reading pathway, how he got buy-in from staff and the community and we go through his three year Action Plan.
Resources and people mentioned
Greg Clement’s book - Transform: Achieving excellence through the science of reading
Alison Clarke - What's wrong with predictable or repetitive texts
Laura Sundqvist
Toni Hatten-Roberts
Emina Mclean
David Morkunas
Orton-Gillingham Approach
Little Learners Love Literacy
educeri.com
You can connect with Greg:
Twitter: @GregClement15
Website: https://principals-of-reading.com/
email: gregclementconsulting@gmail.com
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net

Mar 11, 2023 • 1h 10min
06 - Reid Smith on buiding a knowledge-rich curriculum, collaboration and Ochre Education
In this episode of the Knowledge for Teachers Podcast, Brendan Lee talks to curriculum expert Reid Smith, founder and co-CEO of Ochre Education and Head of Curriculum, Assessment and Instruction at Ballarat Clarendon College. Reid’s done a lot of research around the importance of knowledge for comprehension and cognitive load theory.
In this conversation, Reid talks about:
- The importance of working in teams
- What we need to consider when designing a knowledge-rich curriculum
- Why teachers need to lose the idea that we need to do it all
- The origin story of Ochre Education
- The components involved with the makeup of Ochre lessons
- He mentioned the quote from Richard Elmore “You learn to do the work, by doing the work, not by talking about the work.” and related it to the importance of actually analysing real lesson plans, rather than just asking general questions
And much more!
Resources mentioned in this conversation:
Greg Ashman
Core Knowledge Foundation
Wiggins and McTighe
Read2Learn
Syntax Project (I spoke to Steph Le Lievre, one of the creators in Episode 2)
Oak National Academy
Australian Education Research Organisation (AERO)
This is Reid’s paper that was mentioned:
Reid Smith, Pamela Snow, Tanya Serry & Lorraine Hammond (2021) The Role of Background Knowledge in Reading Comprehension: A Critical Review, Reading Psychology, 42:3, 214-240, DOI: 10.1080/02702711.2021.1888348
You can connect with Reid
Twitter: @Smithre5
Website: ochre.org.au
Nlog: notquitetabularasa.wordpress.com/
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee

Mar 4, 2023 • 1h 16min
05 - Tom Sherrington on why we need effective and precise teaching techniques
In this episode of the Knowledge for Teachers podcast, Brendan Lee chats to Tom Sherrington about how Tom randomly found some Bill Rogers videos that were transformational for him. How he worked out the need to deliver precise professional learning for teachers and the common challenges that schools face. Tom also goes through how schools are using Teaching Walkthrus effectively.
Resources mentioned in this conversation:
Walkthrus.co.uk
teacherhead.com
teachingsprints.com.au
Australian Walkthrus Workshop - Thursday 30th March
Daniel Willingham’s Why don’t students like school
Megan Sumeracki, Oliver Caviglioli, and Yana Weinstein: Understanding How We Learn
Everything from Dylan Wiliam about Formative Assessment including he’s recent episode on Tom and Emma Turner’s podcast - Mind the Gap
You can connect with Tom:
Twitter: @teacherhead
Website: https://teacherhead.com/
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net

Feb 18, 2023 • 1h 8min
04 - Daisy Christodoulou and Jeanette Breen on knowledge, assessment and AI in education
In this wide-ranging conversation, Brendan Lee chats with Daisy Christodoulou and Jeanette Breen about all things to do with education. On the 10th anniversary of the 7 Myths about Education, he asks Daisy if there are any changes or additions she would make. She also talks about why rubrics give us an illusion of a shared language and the positive impact that AI could have on teacher workload.
Jeanette Breen provides her story of why and how she has used Comparative Judgement at her school and the impact it has had.
Resources mentioned:
www.nomoremarking.com/
No More Marking Blog Article: Does spelling matter?
You can connect with Daisy:
Twitter: @daisychristo
Website: https://daisychristodoulou.com/
You can connect with Jeanette:
Twitter: @jettybe3
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net