

Contemplify
Paul Swanson | Contemplative Shoveler
The Contemplify podcast kindles the examined life for contemplatives in the world. Through artful musings & conversations with scholars, creatives, and master teachers each episode delivers a subtly intoxicating* exchange on the contemplative lifestyle with practical takeaways to emulate in daily life.
Host, Paul Swanson, is a husband, father and contemplative educator at the Center for Action and Contemplation and co-host of Another Name for Every Thing with Richard Rohr**.
*Contemplify is best served with a pint in hand. Please listen responsibly.
** All shenanigans, tom foolery and bally-hoo posted on Contemplify are my own. Contemplify is not representative of the Center for Action and Contemplation or Richard Rohr on any matter.
Host, Paul Swanson, is a husband, father and contemplative educator at the Center for Action and Contemplation and co-host of Another Name for Every Thing with Richard Rohr**.
*Contemplify is best served with a pint in hand. Please listen responsibly.
** All shenanigans, tom foolery and bally-hoo posted on Contemplify are my own. Contemplify is not representative of the Center for Action and Contemplation or Richard Rohr on any matter.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Sep 1, 2026 • 1h 7min
Noah Davis on The Last Beast We Revel In
"Noah Davis is a poet whose capacious imagination runs on river sounds and open air." — Adrian Matejka, Pulitzer Prize Finalist and editor of Poetry. Noah Davis is an award-winning poet, whose collection The Last Beast We Revel In was my first read on my sabbatical. The poetry of Noah Davis is sensual, enlivening all senses whether it be the howling earth, family, dalliances with the beloved, or the creatures that companion and sustain us. This is his second collection of poems, his lyricism and eye hold promise for a bright future. As always you can visit contemplify.com for the shownotes on this episode and learn more about Noah Davis at noahdaviswriter.com.

Aug 1, 2026 • 1h 3min
Todd Goddard on Jim Harrison (author of Devouring Time: Jim Harrison, A Writer's Life)
Todd Goddard is an award-winning writer with a Ph.D in literary studies to go along with J.D. Todd Goddard joins me to talk about his unparalleled work on one of my literary heroes, the poet and writer, Jim Harrison. Goddard's book, Devouring Time: Jim Harrison, A Writer's Life. Devouring Time is the finest biography my eyes have met. Nuanced, gritty, and touching…matching the seasons of Jim Harrison's life and revealing the textures of one of the most compelling writers and poets of the last hundred years. An important book for all Jim Harrison fans to add to their shelves. Visit Todd Goddard at toddgoddard.net | IG: @toddgoddard_

Jul 1, 2026 • 57min
Sasha Waters on Mary Oliver: Saved by the Beauty of the World
Sasha Waters, a documentary and experimental filmmaker and educator, discusses her film about Mary Oliver. She talks about making the movie with archival materials and collaborators. She reflects on Oliver’s devotion to nature, attention as a spiritual practice, solitude and discipline, and the film’s choices around privacy and editing.

May 20, 2026 • 1h 14min
Beverly Lanzetta on Birthing a New Mysticism
"With poetic clarity and theological depth, Beverly Lanzetta names the sacred within the human, the Divine Feminine within tradition, and the transforming power of contemplation for our wounded world." — Fr. Adam Bucko Beverly Lanzetta, Ph.D., is a theologian, contemplative scholar and teacher, and the author of a number of groundbreaking books, her most recent is the centerpiece of our conversation, Birthing a New Mysticism: Contemplation in Ten Parts. A rich and precise invitation to seekers of all stripes hear the contemplative call. We talk about via feminina, mystical activism in a suffering world, dark nights of the soul, and what has become clearer since the last time we spoke, Visit Beverly Lanzetta at beverlylanzetta.net Visit contemplify.com for shownotes

May 1, 2026 • 1h 21min
Dr. Liza J. Rankow on Soul Medicine for a Fractured World
"In the ashes of all we have lost, a world of liberation is waiting to be born, if we are brave enough to labor for it. Like the wisest midwife, Liza Rankow takes our hand and offers practical tools to unlock a courage we did not know we had. The result: a journey into healing, spirituality, and social justice that rebirths the world within us and around us." — Valarie Kaur, author, See No Stranger and Sage Warrior Dr. Liza J. Rankow is an interfaith minister, educator, activist, and author. Her lifework centers the deep healing that is essential to personal and social transformation. Liza is the founder and former executive director of OneLife Institute, which for almost 20 years supported the well-being of frontline changemakers. She has been a spiritual counselor and teacher for more than three decades, working with individual clients, facilitating healing retreats, and offering classes and workshops in a variety of community and academic settings. Liza is the producer and co-editor of The Living Wisdom of Howard Thurman audio collection. Her new book is Soul Medicine for a Fractured World: Healing, Justice, and the Path of Wholeness. Visit Dr. Liza Rankow at lizarankow.org Visit Contemplify.com for shownotes

Apr 1, 2026 • 1h 18min
Philip Connors on The Mountain Knows the Mountain: A Fire Watch Diary
Philip Connors is a fire lookout, essayist, and author of four books. A former journalist at the Wall Street Journal, Connors has been a fire lookout in the Gila National Forest for over twenty years. In our conversation today we focus on his latest book, The Mountain Knows the Mountain: A Fire Watch Diary, the life of a fire lookout, attention and dialogue with place, and I reignite the question I asked him at live reading that has stirred my interior soup for months. I heartily recommend all of Philip Connors' books, The Mountain Knows the Mountain is my favorite. Visit Philip Connors at philipconnors.com Visit Contemplify at contemplify.com

Mar 4, 2026 • 1h 31min
Anna Tivel on Animal Poem, Short Stories, and Checking Your Shoes
"Through her graceful poetry and pristine instrumentation, the folk singer delivers indictments of modern indignities alongside moments of hope." — Pitchfork Anna Tivel is an award-winning songwriter and musician from Portland, Oregon. In our conversation we traverse many topics; short stories, poetry, checking for shit on your shoes, and Anna's latest spellbinding album, Animal Poem. For me, this felt like old friends talking about matters close to the heart despite this being our first real conversation. Anna Tivel is thoughtful, funny, inquisitive, and one of the best working songwriters out there. Pick a copy of Animal Poem at Fluff & Gravy Records. Visit Anna Tivel at annativel.com | IG: @annativel Visit Contemplify.com for show notes.

Feb 1, 2026 • 60min
Dr. Martin Shaw on Liturgies of the Wild
"Here is a rosary of soaring myth, gripping narrative, and deep wisdom, all told with breathtaking verve that enchants and sweeps us along, from first word to last. A superb, inspiring read." — Gabor Maté, author of The Myth of Normal Dr. Martin Shaw a writer, mythographer, wilderness guide, and Christian thinker. In our conversation we delve into his latest book, Liturgies of the Wild: Myths That Make Us. A book that any personal library would benefit from. Shaw delivers a rousing grasp of the mythic life from a poetic lens of the dream of Christianity. A master storyteller with wit and wisdom, that will have you smiling as resonant tears well in your eyes. Visit Dr. Martin Shaw at drmartinshaw.com | IG: @drmartinshaw | Substack: The House of Beasts & Vines Visit contemplify.com for shownotes.

Jan 26, 2026 • 6min
Vision for a New Cabinet by Teddy Macker (Season 7 Trailer)
Season 7 is hatching. A series of conversations has come together, mighty and beautiful folks offering feathered insight and story from their unique perch in the world (I am going to shift things up a bit and share a conversation once a month for Season 7). But first, here and now, Teddy Macker is going to share a piece that gave me goosebumps the first time I encountered it. If Contemplify had a poet laureate, Teddy would surely be it. So sit back and receive this "VISION FOR A NEW CABINET: A Proposal of Possibilities for the Next American President" written and read by Teddy Macker. First episode of Season 7 will land in February.

Jan 2, 2026 • 6min
The Famous One
Musing on obituaries with your name on it.


