
The Next Movement
Dedicated to preserving hip-hop culture, each episode of The Next Movement examines a classic/influential album and the wide range of its impact. With the help of a guest, Rob and E. shine a light on the art and swap stories about what each album has given us and our communities. Tune in to hear unique and relevant perspectives on a culture that continues to change the world.
Latest episodes

Jul 9, 2025 • 1h 25min
Church (feat. Sunmundi and Sasco)
Sunmundi and Sasco join us to talk about their new project "Contacting" (coming 7/11/25). The emcee and producer talked with us about the thematic elements of the project as well as their creative partnership. Then we discuss their album pick for this episode - “Church” by billy woods.Purchase "Contacting here:https://sasco.bandcamp.com/album/contacting

Jun 25, 2025 • 1h 7min
Black Star (feat. Cymarshall Law)
Cymarshall Law is a fiery emcee based in NJ and he has a new with U.K. based producer Slimline Mutha called “The Peaceful Warrior 2: Raw Self-Expression”. We talked with Cy about this project, his emphasis on personal growth and positive self-expression, and how being himself has led to artistic freedom. Then we discuss his album pick for this episode - “Black Star” by Mos Def and Talib Kweli. Purchase "The Peaceful Warrior 2: Raw Self-Expression" here:https://cyvision.online/

Jun 11, 2025 • 1h 16min
Stankonia (feat. Infinity Knives and Brian Ennals)
In this throwback episode we speak with Baltimore based artists Infinity Knives and Brian Ennals - the duo behind the powerful new album "A City Drowned in God's Black Tears". When we spoke to them in Sept. of 2022 they had just released their album "King Cobra," an equally relevant and politically charged statement about life in the U.S. which utilized instrumental arrangements in a way that has come to define their sound. We talked with them about he creation of that record as well as their album pick for this episode - Outkast's "Stankonia".

May 28, 2025 • 57min
The Ecstatic (feat. McKinley Dixon)
McKinley Dixon wants to make rapping fun again. On his new album "Magic! Alive!" he accomplishes this through live instrumentation, a different approach to storytelling, and the childlike innocence of the characters he's written. He spoke with us about how all of this came together with the help of his hometown team and longtime collaborators. Then we discuss his album pick for this episode - "The Ecstatic" by Mos Def."Magic! Alive!" is available everywhere on 6/6/25

May 14, 2025 • 1h 12min
A Book of Human Language (feat. Neil Drumming)
Neil Drumming, a versatile journalist and debut rap artist, discusses his new album 'Writing on Airplanes.' He shares his unique journey into hip-hop, inspired by loneliness during the pandemic, and reflects on the transformative power of creativity. The conversation delves into the impact of AC Lone's 'A Book of Human Language' on the genre and the gap between mainstream and underground artists. Drumming emphasizes the emotional depth of storytelling in music and the thrill of discovering new sounds that resonate with audiences.

Apr 30, 2025 • 51min
Death Certificate (feat. Blu and August Fanon)
In a soulful celebration of midlife Blu and August Fanon have teamed up to bring us "Forty". We talked with them both about the process of working on the album, aging with hip hop, legacy, and much more. Then we discuss their album pick for this episode - "Death Certificate" by Ice Cube.Purchase "Forty" here:naturesoundsmusic.com/products/forty

Apr 16, 2025 • 1h 5min
Fantastic Damage (feat. miles cooke)
miles cooke has a new record out right now called “ceci n’est pas un portrait” which is French. Don’t ask us how to pronounce it. But it means “This is not a portrait” and we try to unpack that with miles in addition to talking about his album pick for this episode, "Fantastic Damage" by El-P. Purchase "ceci n'est pas un portrait" here:milescooke.bandcamp.com/album/ceci-nest-pas-un-portrait

Apr 2, 2025 • 1h 8min
As the World Burns (feat. PremRock)
In this throwback episode featuring PremRock we spoke with the Wrecking Crew member and Backwoodz veteran in June of 2022 about his collaborative project with Ockham’s Blazer, a jazz heavy genre bender. We also discussed his previous solo project “Load Bearing Crow’s Feet”. Then we talked about his album pick for this episode - “As the World Burns” from the Arsonists.Purchase Prem's new album "Did You Enjoy Your Time Here...?" at this link: https://backwoodzstudioz.com/collections/premrock-did-you-enjoy-your-time-here

Mar 19, 2025 • 1h 15min
Return of the Cyklops (feat. Damon Locks)
Damon Locks joins us to talk about his new album “List of Demands,” a project that blurs the lines between poetry, hip hop, jazz, and experimental music. We’ll talk about the work that went into this project, the optimism and beauty it demands, and much more. Then we’ll talk about Damon’s album pick for this episode - Mixmaster Mike’s deluxe release “Return of the Cyklops”. Stream and purchase "List of Demands" here:https://intlanthem.bandcamp.com/album/list-of-demands

Mar 5, 2025 • 1h 41min
Voodoo (feat. Cosmo Baker)
DJ/activist/educator/Philly ambassador Cosmo Baker joins us to talk about life as a DJ in 2025, his recent Book Club gatherings (featuring authors such as Marcus J. Moore and Dan Charnas), the history of The Remedy (a joint venture with Rich Medina) and much more. Then we’ll discuss his album pick for this episode - the Soulquarian era classic “Voodoo” by D’Angelo.Find all things Cosmo Baker related here: cosmobaker.com