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The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
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Nov 7, 2022 • 46min
The Global Exchange: The Senate and American Politics
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson speaks to Ira Shapiro about the decline of the U.S. Senate
Participant’s Biography:
Ira Shapiro is an U.S. author and a Senate expert – https://irashapiroauthor.com/about-the-author/
Host biography
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat, and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, https://www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read and Watch:
Ira Shapiro’s book – https://irashapiroauthor.com/books/
Summer of 1787 by David Stewart – https://davidostewart.com/books/the-summer-of-1787/
Scorpions: The Battles and Triumphs of FDR's Great Supreme Court Justices by Noah Feldman – https://www.twelvebooks.com/titles/noah-feldman/scorpions/9780446575140/
For all mankind – https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7772588/
Recording Date: 7 Sep 2022.
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Nov 4, 2022 • 1h 28min
Defence Deconstructed: Implementing NORAD Modernization
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Dr. Andrea Charron speaks to Cheri Crosby, BGen Chris McKenna, BGen Patrice Sabourin, and Dr. Martin Tomkin about implementing NORAD Modernization
This episode is an excerpt from our annual procurement conference, Putting Canadian Procurement on a War Footing, which took place on October 25th in Ottawa. This event was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program, our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Davie Shipyard; Silver Sponsors the Royal Embassy of Norway in Ottawa and Innovation Norway; Bronze sponsors ATCO Frontec, BAE Systems Canada, Bombardier, The Boeing Company, and PAL Aerospace.
Participant bio
Cheri Crosby is the Department of National Defence’s Assistant Deputy Minister of Finance and Chief Financial Officer
BGen Chris McKenna is the Director General Air and Space Force Development
BGen Patrice Sabourin is Director General Digital Capabilities and Force Development
Dr. Martin Tomkin is the Senior Advisor to the Assistant DeputyMinister (Infrastructure and Environment)
Hosts Bios
Dr. Andrea Charron is a CGAI Fellow and a Professor at the University of Manitoba.
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Recording Date: 25 Oct 2022
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Nov 3, 2022 • 42min
Energy Security Cubed: Considering Climate Economics, with Dennis McConaghy
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss current events in energy security, including Indonesia's battery mineral cartel concept, the Brazilian Presidential election, and the upcoming U.S. midterms.
For the interview section of the podcast, Kelly talks with Dennis McConaghy about his recent book Carbon Change, and the factors shaping climate economics in the IPCC process.
Guest Bio:
- Dennis McConaghy is a fellow at CGAI and a former senior executive at TC Energy
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
What is Dennis reading?
- Rubicon: The Last Years of the Roman Republic, by Tom Holland https://www.amazon.ca/Rubicon-Last-Years-Roman-Republic/dp/1400078970
Interview recording Date: October 31, 2022.
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Oct 31, 2022 • 42min
The Global Exchange: Canada, A Player in the Indo-Pacific?
On this episode of the Global Exchange, Deanna Horton speaks to VAdm (ret’d) Darren Hawco, Jonathan Fried, and Trevor Kennedy about Canada’s role in the Indo-Pacific
This episode is an extract from our conference "After the War: What Kind of World for Canada?" which happened on May 10th, 2022. This event was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Davie Shipyard, and of our Bronze conference sponsors, Enbridge and TD.
Participants' bios
VAdm (ret’d) Darren Hawco is a CGAI fellow and an Executive Advisor at Deloitte – https://www.cgai.ca/darren_hawco
Jonathan Fried is CGAI fellow and a retired career diplomat – https://www.cgai.ca/jonathan_fried
Trevor Kennedy is a CGAI Fellow and Vice President, Trade and International Policy at the Business Council of Canada – https://thebusinesscouncil.ca/staff/trevor-kennedy/
Hosts bios
Deanna Horton is a CGAI Fellow and a senior Fellow at the Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy – https://www.cgai.ca/deanna_horton
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat, and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Recording Date: 10 May 2022.
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Oct 28, 2022 • 36min
Defence Deconstructed: Challenges and Opportunities for Procurement
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Associate Deputy Minister of Defence Stefanie Beck about the state of the procurement system and the way forward in light of the upcoming defence policy update.
This episode is an excerpt from our annual procurement conference, Putting Canadian Procurement on a War Footing, which took place on October 25th in Ottawa. This event was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence’s MINDS Program, our strategic sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, Irving Shipbuilding, and Davie Shipyard; Silver Sponsors the Royal Embassy of Norway in Ottawa and Innovation Norway; Bronze sponsors ATCO Frontec, BAE Systems Canada, Bombardier, The Boeing Company, and PAL Aerospace.
Participant bio
Stefanie Beck is Associate Deputy Minister of National Defence – https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/backgrounders/2022/01/05/stefanie-beck
Host Bio
David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Recording Date: 25 Oct 2022
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Oct 27, 2022 • 45min
Energy Security Cubed: Canada's Business Climate and Energy Security with Goldy Hyder
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss current events in energy security, including the European Union's plan to maintain energy unity and developments in Canadian nuclear energy.
For the interview section of the podcast, Kelly talks with Goldy Hyder about how Canadian policy is affecting infrastructure, labour, and capital in the energy sector.
Guest Bio:
- Goldy Hyder is the President and CEO of the Business Council of Canada
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
What is Goldy reading?
- The Indo-Pacific: New Strategies for Canadian Engagement with a Critical Region, edited by Fen Osler Hampson, Goldy Hyder, and Tina J. Park: https://sutherlandhousebooks.com/product/indo-pacific/
- Unprecedented: Canada's Top CEOs on Leadership During Covid-19, edited by Steve Mayer and Andrew Willis: https://www.amazon.ca/Unprecedented-Canadas-Leadership-During-Covid-19/dp/0771002130
Interview recording Date: October 21, 2022.
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Oct 24, 2022 • 43min
The Global Exchange: Victory at Sea
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson talks to Paul Kennedy about his book, Victory at Sea
Participant bio:
Paul Kennedy, the J. Richardson Dilworth Professor of History, Director of International Security Studies at Yale. https://history.yale.edu/people/paul-kennedy
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat, and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, https://www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read:
Victory at Sea by Paul Kennedy – https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300219173/victory-at-sea/
Victory at Sea, reviewed by Colin Robertson – https://www.policymagazine.ca/victory-at-sea-how-naval-power-helped-win-wwii/
Agatha Christie's books: https://www.agathachristie.com
The Ghost at the Feast by Robert Kaplan - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/89274/the-ghost-at-the-feast-by-robert-kagan/
Recording Date: 6 Oct 2022.
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Oct 21, 2022 • 45min
Defence Deconstructed: Taking Stock of Nuclear Escalation
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Julie Clark about the nuclear implications of the war in Ukraine.
This episode of Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding and Davie Shipyard.
Participant bio:
Julie Clark is a PhD Candidate at the Balsillie School of International Affairs and a CGAI Fellow – https://www.cgai.ca/julie_clark
Host bio
David Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/staff#Perry
Read:
NukeMap by Alex Wellerstein – https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
The Fate of The Earth, The Abolition, The Unconquerable World by Jonathan Schell – https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/616814/jonathan-schell-the-fate-of-the-earth-the-abolition-the-unconquerable-world-loa329-by-jonathan-schell/9781598536584
Dark Beyonf Darkness by James G. Blight and Janet M. Lang – https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Beyond-Darkness-Missile-Catalyst/dp/1538101998
Recording Date: 20 Oct 2022
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Oct 20, 2022 • 44min
Energy Security Cubed: The Indigenous Communities Supporting Energy Security with Dale Swampy
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss current events in energy security, including Canadian oil in India, the growing diesel crisis, and lithium strategies in South America.
For the interview section of the podcast, Kelly talks with Dale Swampy about Indigenous involvement in Canadian energy and the challenges facing Indigenous communities today.
Guest Bio:
- Dale Swampy is founder and president of the National Coalition of Chiefs
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
What is Dale reading?
- Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All, by Michael Shellenberger - https://www.amazon.ca/Apocalypse-Never-Environmental-Alarmism-Hurts-ebook/dp/B07Y8FHFQ7
Interview recording Date: October 12, 2022.
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Oct 17, 2022 • 43min
The Global Exchange: PS752, 1000 Days Later
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson speaks to Kaveh Shahrooz, Patricia Fortier, and Ferry de Kerckhove about PS752, a thousand days after its crash.
Participants bios:
Kaveh Shahrooz is Senior Fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute, a lawyer, and a human rights activist – https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/cm-expert/kaveh-shahrooz/
Patricia Fortier is a CGAI Fellow and a retired diplomat. https://www.cgai.ca/patricia_fortier
Ferry de Kerckhove is CGAI fellow and a retired Canadian ambassador. https://www.cgai.ca/ferry_de_kerckhove
Host biography
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat, and Senior Adviser to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, https://www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read:
Flight PS752: The long road to transparency, accountability and justice by The Hon. Ralph Goodale - https://www.international.gc.ca/gac-amc/publications/flight-vol-ps752/index.aspx?lang=eng
La politique soumise à l'intelligence par Pierre Mendès France, Françoise Giroud et Jean-Jacques Servan-Schreiber – https://www.leslibraires.ca/livres/politique-soumise-intelligence-jean-jacques-servan-schreiber-9782221128275.html
Women Talking by Miriam Toews – https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/562880/women-talking-by-miriam-toews/9780735273979
Civilizations by Laurent Binet –https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374600815/civilizations
Gideon's Spies by Gordon Thomas – https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250056405/gideonsspies
Recording Date: 12 Oct 2022.
Give 'The Global Exchange' a review on Apple Podcast!
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on Linkedin.
Head over to our website www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips.