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The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
Episodes
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Feb 10, 2023 • 50min
Defence Deconstructed: Non-Conventional Threats in the Indo-Pacific Part 1
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Charlotte Duval-Lantoine moderates the first part of a discussion on the non-conventional threats complicating matters in the Indo-Pacific with Kyoko Kuwahara, Charles Burton, and Malcolm Davis for CGAI's Peace and Stability in the Indo-Pacific Conference.
Participant bios:
- Charlotte Duval-Lantoine is a Fellow and Ottawa Operations Manager at CGAI
- Kyoko Kuwahara is a Visiting Fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute and a Research Fellow at The Japan Institute of International Affairs
- Charles Burton is a Senior Fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute
- Malcolm Davis is a Senior Analyst at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute
Host bio:
Dave Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/staff#Perry
Recording Date: 27 Jan 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Feb 9, 2023 • 43min
Energy Security Cubed: Technological Barriers for Energy Transition with Mark Mills
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss global events in energy security, including Canadian energy realism, the crisis in South Africa, and prospects for mining in British Columbia.
For the interview section of the podcast, Kelly talks with Mark Mills about the limits of energy transition technology, and implications for decarbonization goals.
Guest Bio:
- Mark Mills is a Senior Fellow focusing on technology for the Manhattan Institute.
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
"Cobalt Red: How the Blood of the Congo Powers Our Lives", by Siddharth Kara: https://www.amazon.com/Cobalt-Red-Blood-Congo-Powers-ebook/dp/B09Y462D6Z
Interview recording Date: February 3, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Feb 6, 2023 • 54min
The Global Exchange: One Year of War in Ukraine
On this episode of the Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Jeremy Kinsman, Ralph Lysyshyn, and John Sloan for a discussion on the unfolding consequences of the Russian invasion of Ukraine nearly a year on.
Guest bios:
Jeremy Kinsman is distinguished Fellow of the Canadian International Council, and former ambassador to Russia and Italy, former High Commissioner in London, and former Ambassador to the EU
Ralph Lysyshyn served as Canadian Ambassador to Russia (with accreditation to Armenia and Uzbekistan) from 2006 to 2010.
John Sloan served as Canada’s ambassador to the Russian Federation, Armenia and Uzbekistan from August 2010 to September 2013.
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a Senior Adviser and a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/staff#robertson
Reading recommendations:
1. Black Wind, White Snow: The Rise of Russia's New Nationalism, by Charles Clover: https://www.amazon.ca/Black-Wind-White-Snow-Nationalism/dp/0300226454
2. The City of Falling Angels, by John Berendt: https://www.amazon.ca/City-Falling-Angels-John-Berendt/dp/0143036939
3. Putin, by Philip Short: https://www.amazon.com/Putin-Philip-Short/dp/1627793666
4. Anything by Sally Rooney (to help you understand the young'uns): https://www.amazon.ca/Books-Sally-Rooney/s?rh=n%3A916520%2Cp_27%3ASally+Rooney
5. The Man Who Understood Democracy: The Life of Alexis de Tocqueville, by Oliver Zunz: https://www.amazon.ca/Man-Who-Understood-Democracy-Tocqueville/dp/0691173974#:~:text=Olivier%20Zunz-,The%20Man%20Who%20Understood%20Democracy%3A%20The%20Life%20of%20Alexis,Tocqueville%20Hardcover%20%E2%80%93%20May%203%202022
Recording Date: 1 February 2023.
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Feb 3, 2023 • 16min
Defence Deconstructed: DND Engagement in the Indo-Pacific with Peter Hammerschmidt
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Peter Hammerschmidt talks about the role of the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces in the Indo-Pacific in a Keynote Address for CGAI's Peace and Stability in the Indo-Pacific Conference.
Participant bio:
Peter Hammerschmidt is Assistant Deputy Minister(Policy) at the Department of National Defence
Host bio:
Dave Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/staff#Perry
Recording Date: 27 Jan 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Feb 2, 2023 • 40min
Energy Security Cubed: An Update on American Oil Geopolitics with Ellen Wald
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss global events in energy security, including the upcoming restrictions on Russian oil product exports, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz's visit to South America, and possible Chinese restrictions on solar power technology transfer.
For the interview section of the podcast, Kelly talks with Ellen Wald about recent changes to American oil policies, and how this affects U.S. national interest.
Guest Bio:
- Ellen Wald is a CGAI Fellow, the President of Transversal Consulting, and Co-Founder of Washington Ivy Advisors.
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
Gaslighted: How the Oil and Gas Industry Shortchanges Women Scientists, by Christing L. Williams: https://www.amazon.ca/Gaslighted-Industry-Shortchanges-Women-Scientists/dp/0520385276
Oil, the State, and War: The Foreign Policies of Petrostates, by Emma Ashford: https://www.amazon.com/Oil-State-War-Policies-Petrostates-ebook/dp/B09RQ76RF5
Interview recording Date: January 25, 2022.
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 30, 2023 • 46min
The Global Exchange: China in the Year of the Rabbit
On this episode of the Global Exchange, Colin Robertson is joined by Vina Nadjibulla, Phil Calvert, and John Gruetzner to take stock of the latest developments in China.
Guests bios:
Vina Nadjibulla is a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/vina_nadjibulla
Phil Calvert is a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/philip_calvert
John Gruetzner is a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/john_gruetzner
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a Senior Adviser and a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/staff#robertson
Recording Date: 25 January 2022.
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Jan 27, 2023 • 25min
Defence Deconstructed: Personnel Management in the Canadian Armed Forces with MGen Lise Bourgon
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Major General Lise Bourgon about personnel management, Canadian Armed Forces reconstitution, and culture change.
Participant bio:
Major General Lise Bourgon is Acting Commander, Military Personnel Command in the Canadian Armed Forces
Host bio:
Dave Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/staff#Perry
What Lise is reading:
Deploying Feminism: The Role of Gender in NATO Military Operations, by Stefanie Von Hlatky: https://www.amazon.ca/Deploying-Feminism-Gender-Military-Operations/dp/0197653529
From Strength to Strength: Finding Success, Happiness, and Deep Purpose in the Second Half of Life, by Arthur C. Brooks: https://www.amazon.ca/Strength-Finding-Success-Happiness-Purpose/dp/059319148X
Recording Date: 19 Jan 2022
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Jan 26, 2023 • 37min
Energy Security Cubed: The Myth of “High-Cost” Oil Sands Production with Kent Fellows
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss global events in energy security, including recent academic papers on energy security issues, politicking around the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve, and the prospect of 100-year-old nuclear power plants.
For the interview section of the podcast, Kelly talks with Kent Fellows about his recent paper with the C.D. Howe Institute about the real costs associated with oil sands production, and what it could mean for Canada's future in the future of the global oil industry. Find Kent's paper here: https://www.cdhowe.org/public-policy-research/last-barrel-standing-confronting-myth-high-cost-canadian-oil-sands
Guest Bio:
- Kent Fellows is a Professor of Economics and Director of the Master’s in Public Policy Program at the University of Calgary
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading recommendations:
Ducks: Two Years in the Oil Sands, by Kate Beaton: https://www.amazon.ca/Ducks-Two-Years-Oil-Sands/dp/1770462899
Articles talked about in the intro:
1: https://epic.uchicago.cn/working_papers/energy-saving-may-kill-evidence-from-the-fukushima-nuclear-accident
2: https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/insulation-only-provides-short-term-reduction-in-household-gas-consumption-study-of-uk-housing
Interview recording Date: January 17, 2022.
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Jan 23, 2023 • 54min
The Global Exchange: What Preoccupies Canadians in 2023
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson speaks to Dr. David Coletto and Frank Graves about the issues on top of mind for Canadians and how it will affect policy in 2023.
Participants' bios
Dr. David Coletto is CEO and a founding partner of Abacus Data and member of CGAI's Advisory Council – https://www.cgai.ca/advisory_council#Coletto
Frank Graves is the founder and CEO of EKOS Research Associates Inc., as well as a CGAI Fellow
Hosts bios:
Colin Robertson is a Senior Adviser and a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/staff#robertson
Dave Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/staff#Perry
What David and Frank are reading:
The Pulse of Democracy by George Gallup and Saul Rae – https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/72562
On Tyranny by Timothy Snyder –https://www.timothysnyder.org/books/on-tyranny-tr
The Twilight of Democracy by Anne Applebaum – https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/621076/twilight-of-democracy-by-anne-applebaum/
Recording Date: 17 January 2022.
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Jan 20, 2023 • 51min
Defence Deconstructed: NORAD In Perpetuity and Beyond
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Dr. Andrea Charron and Dr. Jim Fergusson about their recently published book on NORAD and the recent announcements on continental defence modernization.
Participants' bios:
Dr. Andrea Charron is an associate professor at the University of Manitoba and a fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/andrea_charron
Dr. James Fergusson is a professor at the University of Manitoba and a fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/james_fergusson
Host bio:
Dave Perry is the President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – https://www.cgai.ca/staff#Perry
Read NORAD In Perpetuity and Beyond by Dr. Charron and Fergusson: https://www.mqup.ca/norad-products-9780228014003.php?page_id=&102220
What Andrea and Jim are reading:
The Economic Weapon by Nicholas Mulder – https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300270488/the-economic-weapon/
An Autobiography by Agatha Christie – https://www.agathachristie.com/stories/an-autobiography
Personality and Power by Ian Kershaw – https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/529333/personality-and-power-by-ian-kershaw/
The Story of Russia by Orlando Figes – https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250796899/thestoryofrussia
Recording Date: 18 Jan 2022
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips