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The Canadian Global Affairs Institute
The CGAI Podcast Network is created and produced by the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. Join us each week to explore the energy, defense, and international affairs stories that matter to Canadians. Listen now to CGAI podcasts “The Global Exchange”, “Defence Deconstructed”, and “Energy Security Cubed”, and partner podcasts “Battle Rhythm" and “Conseils de sécurité”. Visit www.cgai.ca for more, or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
The Canadian Global Affairs Institute (CGAI) is a charitable, independent, non-partisan, research institute based in Ottawa, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta.
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Sep 7, 2023 • 1h 24min
Energy Security Cubed: The Roots of Crisis in Francophone Africa with Joe Ingram and Chris Roberts
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan discuss current events in energy security, including the Saudi and Russian extension of crude curtailment policies, offshore wind price spikes in the United States, and the concept of "carbon contracts for difference" in Canada.
For the interview section of the podcast, Joe talks with Joe Ingram and Chris Roberts about the intersection of resources, development, and foreign interference in Francophone Africa, and the resulting political instability which laid the groundwork for the recent coups in Niger and Gabon.
Guest Bios:
- Joe Ingram is a CGAI Fellow and a former official with the World Bank, where he worked for 30 years with a primary focus on Francophone Africa
- Chris Roberts is a CGAI Fellow, President of African Access Consulting, and a Sessional Instructor in International Relations at the University of Calgary
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading Recommendations
- "Soldier and State in Africa", by Claude E. Welch: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-modern-african-studies/article/abs/soldier-and-state-in-africa/694B14E68815E981008281FC6691B75C
- "Global Governance and the Emergence of Global Institutions for the 21st Century", by Augusto Lopez-Claros, Arthur L. Dahl, and Maja Groff: https://www.amazon.ca/Global-Governance-Emergence-Institutions-Century/dp/1108701809
- "Robert S. McNamara at the World Bank: In Retrospect", by Olivier Lafourcade, Leif E. Christoffersen, Anders E. E. Ljungh, Sven Burmester, Caio K. Koch-Weser, and Rainer B. Steckhan: https://elibrary.worldbank.org/doi/abs/10.1596/35898
Interview recording Date: September 5, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 5, 2023 • 17min
The Global Exchange: Threats to Canadian National Security with Jody Thomas
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Jody Thomas gives a brief speech on Canadian national security priorities.
This episode is from our Annual Canada in the World Conference, which took place on June 2, 2023. This event was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors, Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics Canada, Irving Shipbuilding, and Pathways Alliance, and the conference Gold Sponsor Raytheon.
Participants biographies:
Jody Thomas is the National Security Advisor to the Prime Minister of Canada
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Recording Date: 2 June 2023.
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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Sep 1, 2023 • 51min
Defence Deconstructed: Leveraging Industry Expertise for ASW
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, David Perry speaks to Cmdre (ret'd) Jamie Clarke, Cmdre (ret'd)Mike Knott, and MGen(ret'd)Michel Lalumière about industry knowledge in ASW and how the CAF can make the most of it.
This episode is an excerpt from our conference, Canadian Anti Submarine Warfare in the Future Strategic Environment, which took place on June 15, 2023. It was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence's MINDS Program, CGAI's Strategic Sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, and Irving Shipbuilding; and our event sponsors: BAE Systems; IMP Aerospace and Defence; CAE; Seaspan Vancouver Shipyards and Bombardier.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Participants Bios:
Cmdre (ret'd) Jamie Clarke works at Lockheed Martin Canada and is a CGAI Fellow.
Cmdre (ret'd)Mike Knott is Maritime Capability Advisor at BAE Systems.
MGen(ret'd)Michel Lalumière manages International Strategic Development for Canada at General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc.
Host Bio:
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 15 Jun 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Aug 31, 2023 • 54min
Energy Security Cubed: Geopolitics of the Energy Transition with Elizabeth Press
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan begin with a discussion on major issues in global energy security, including an update on the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, a discussion of global oil demand forecasts, and some considerations surrounding methanol-fueled ships.
For the interview section of the podcast, Kelly talks with Elizabeth Press about the International Renewable Energy Agency's recent report, "Geopolitics of the Energy Transition: Critical Materials". You can find this report here: https://www.irena.org/Publications/2023/Jul/Geopolitics-of-the-Energy-Transition-Critical-Materials
Guest Bio:
- Elizabeth Press is Director of Planning and Programme Support at the International Renewable Energy Agency
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading Recommendations
- "American Dirt", by Jeanine Cummins: https://www.amazon.ca/American-Dirt-Novel-Jeanine-Cummins/dp/1250209765
- "Betraying Spinoza: The Renegade Jew Who Gave Us Modernity", by Rebecca Goldstein: https://www.amazon.ca/Betraying-Spinoza-Renegade-Gave-Modernity/dp/0805211594
Interview recording Date: August 23, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Aug 28, 2023 • 1h 2min
The Global Exchange: Lessons from Afghanistan Two Years On
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson speaks with Deborah Lyons, Andrew Leslie, and William Crosbie about lessons for Canada from the war in Afghanistan two years after the fall of Kabul to the Taliban.
Participants' bios
- Deborah Lyons is a diplomat and the former Special Representative of the Secretary-General of the United Nations for Afghanistan
- Andrew Leslie is a former Member of Parliament for Orléans and retired LGen of the Canadian Forces
- William (Bill) Crosbie is a former Head of Mission for Canada's Embassy in Afghanistan, and a former senior diplomat at DFATD (now GAC)
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Read & Watch:
- "Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow: A novel", by Gabrielle Zevin: https://www.amazon.ca/Tomorrow-novel-Gabrielle-Zevin/dp/0735243344
- "Twilight of Democracy: The Seductive Lure of Authoritarianism", by Anne Applebaum: https://www.amazon.ca/Twilight-Democracy-Seductive-Lure-Authoritarianism/dp/0385545800
- "No Ordinary Assignment: A Memoir", by Jane Ferguson: https://www.amazon.ca/No-Ordinary-Assignment-Jane-Ferguson/dp/0063272245
- "Starry Messenger: Cosmic Perspectives on Civilization", by Neil deGrasse Tyson: https://www.amazon.ca/Starry-Messenger-Cosmic-Perspectives-Civilization/dp/1250861500
- "Road to Surrender: Three Men and the Countdown to the End of World War II", by Evan Thomas: https://www.amazon.ca/Road-Surrender-Three-Countdown-World/dp/0399589252
- "The Crisis of Democratic Capitalism", by Martin Wolf: https://www.amazon.ca/Crisis-Democratic-Capitalism-Martin-Wolf/dp/0735224218
Recording Date: August 22, 2023.
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Head over to our website www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Aug 25, 2023 • 45min
Defence Deconstructed: How the CAF Thinks and Does ASW
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Dr. Rob Huebert speaks to RAdm Brian Santarpia and MGen Iain Huddleston about the Canadian Armed Forces' current and future anti-submarine warfare capabilities.
This episode is an excerpt from our conference, Canadian Anti Submarine Warfare in the Future Strategic Environment, which took place on June 15, 2023. It was made possible thanks to the support of the Department of National Defence's MINDS Program, CGAI's Strategic Sponsors Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics, and Irving Shipbuilding; and our event sponsors: BAE Systems; IMP Aerospace and Defence; CAE; Seaspan Vancouver Shipyards and Bombardier.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding.
Participants Bios:
RAdm Brian Santarpia was Commander MARLANT at the time of the recording – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Santarpia
MGen Iain Huddleston is the Commander of the 1 Canadian Air Division – https://www.canada.ca/en/air-force/corporate/1-canadian-air-division/commander.html
Host Bio:
Dr. Rob Huebert is a professor and the University of Calgary and a CGAI Fellow
Dr. David Perry is President of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute – www.cgai.ca/david_perry
Recording Date: 15 Jun 2023
Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Aug 24, 2023 • 41min
Energy Security Cubed: The Kaya Identity, with Jo Michell
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Kelly Ogle and Joe Calnan begin with a discussion of the dispute between Iraq and Turkey on the legality of oil exports from Kurdistan.
For the interview section of the podcast, Kelly talks with Jo Michell about the Kaya Identity and what it could mean for the economics and politics of emissions reduction.
Guest Bio:
- Jo Michell is Associate Professor in Economics at UWE Bristol
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading Recommendations
- "The Behaviour of Moths", by Poppy Adams: https://www.amazon.ca/Behaviour-Moths-Poppy-Adams-author/dp/1844084884
- "Your Brain on Music", by Daniel J. Levintin: https://www.amazon.ca/This-Your-Brain-Music-Obsession/dp/0452288525
Interview recording Date: August 22, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Aug 21, 2023 • 41min
The Global Exchange: How Does Canada Matter in the World Economy?
On this episode of The Global Exchange, Colin Robertson discusses the role of Canada in the world economy with The Hon. Anne McLellan, Mark McQueen, and Todd Winterhalt.
This episode is from our Annual Canada in the World Conference, which took place on June 2, 2023. This event was made possible thanks to the support of our strategic sponsors, Lockheed Martin Canada, General Dynamics Canada, Irving Shipbuilding, and Pathways Alliance, and the conference Gold Sponsor Raytheon.
Participants biographies:
The Hon. Anne McLellan is the co-chair of the Coalition for a Better Future – https://www.canadacoalition.ca/about
Mark McQueen is a Canadian entrepreneur and the former President and CEO of CIBC Innovation Banking. – https://www.markmcqueen.ca
Todd Winterhalt is the Senior Vice-President, Communications and Corporate Strategy at Export Development Canada – https://www.edc.ca/en/bio/todd-winterhalt.html
Host bio:
Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, www.cgai.ca/colin_robertson
Recording Date: 2 June 2023.
Give 'The Global Exchange' a review on Apple Podcast!
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Head over to our website www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips.

Aug 18, 2023 • 52min
Defence Deconstructed: Canadian Army Reconstitution & Culture Change
On this episode of Defence Deconstructed, Charlotte Duval-Lantoine speaks to Lieutenant-General Jocelyn Paul about the Canadian Army's efforts to reconstitute and change its culture.
Dave Perry is joined by Kate Todd to discuss the week in defence news.
This episode is part of a series exploring the challenges facing CAF Reconstitution and culture change, made possible thanks to the Department of National Defence's MINDS Program.
Defence Deconstructed is brought to you by Irving Shipbuilding
Participants' bio
Lieutenant-General Paul is the Commander of the Canadian Army – https://www.canada.ca/en/army/corporate/senior-leaders/commander.html
Host bio
- Charlotte Duval-Lantoine is CGAI's Ottawa Operations Manager and one of its fellows. www.cgai.ca/staff#Lantoine
Recording Date: 29 June 2023
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Produced by Charlotte Duval-Lantoine. Music credits to Drew Phillips

Aug 17, 2023 • 32min
Energy Security Cubed: Water Conflicts in Asia with Genevieve Donnellon-May
On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Joe Calnan discusses current events in energy security, including the 2035 Canada Net Zero electricity plan, labour disputes in Australia, and the Argentinian primary election upset.
For the interview section of the podcast, Kelly talks with Genevieve Donnellon-May about China's central role on water diplomacy in Asia.
Guest Bio:
- Genevieve Donnellon-May is a Research Associate at the Asia Society Policy Institute of Australia. She is also a prolific author, with articles written about food and water security in Asia for the South China Morning Post, the Red Line Podcast, and for the Diplomat.
Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is the CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
Reading Recommendations
- "Big Sister, Little Sister, Red Sister: Three Women at the Heart of Twentieth-Century China", by Jung Chang: https://www.amazon.ca/Big-Sister-Little-Red-Twentieth-Century-ebook/dp/B07NTY831H
Interview recording Date: August 4, 2023
Energy Security Cubed is part of the CGAI Podcast Network. Follow the Canadian Global Affairs Institute on Facebook, Twitter (@CAGlobalAffairs), or on LinkedIn. Head over to our website at www.cgai.ca for more commentary.
Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.