
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

Oct 14, 2019 • 45min
Recode Decode: Rosetta Stone President Matt Hulett
Matt Hulett, president of Rosetta Stone, shares insights from his tech journey as the company shifts from CDs to a user-friendly mobile app. He discusses the challenges of childhood literacy and the importance of personalized education through innovative software. The conversation explores how language learning is evolving globally, emphasizing the role of AI and digital platforms. Hulett also speculates on future technologies that could transform language acquisition, touching on cultural motivations and the significance of maintaining linguistic diversity.

Oct 11, 2019 • 58min
Recode Decode: OpenDoor CEO Eric Wu / Evite CEO Victor Cho
Eric Wu, the CEO of OpenDoor, shares insights on how technology is revolutionizing the real estate market, emphasizing the need for transparency and automation in transactions. He discusses OpenDoor's innovative approach to simplifying home buying and selling. Meanwhile, Victor Cho, Evite's CEO, reflects on the challenges of adapting to digital disruptions reminiscent of Kodak's past. He explores new revenue models for Evite while navigating the evolving landscape of event planning in a competitive market.

Oct 9, 2019 • 1h 8min
Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz
Andrew Marantz, a staff writer at The New Yorker and author of *Antisocial*, dives into the perilous relationship between social media and extremism. He discusses how platforms prioritize emotional engagement, amplifying figures like Milo Yiannopoulos and the alt-right's rise. Marantz critiques the Silicon Valley culture of 'big swinging brains' and explains why merely banning controversial users lacks depth. He further explores the media’s role in shaping political narratives and the societal fragmentation caused by manipulation and misinformation.

Oct 7, 2019 • 1h 9min
Recode Decode: Former HP CEO Carly Fiorina
Carly Fiorina, former CEO of HP and 2016 Republican presidential candidate, shares her journey from a secretary to a tech leader. She discusses the challenges women face in a male-dominated industry and critiques the concentration of power in Silicon Valley. Fiorina reflects on her unique friendship with Steve Jobs and the missteps of both Trump and Zuckerberg. The conversation also touches on the necessity of authentic leadership and the importance of problem solvers in politics, while highlighting the evolving dynamics within the Republican Party.

Oct 4, 2019 • 1h 7min
Recode Decode: FEC Chair Ellen Weintraub
Ellen Weintraub, Chair of the Federal Election Commission, breaks down the FEC's crucial role in safeguarding democracy. She discusses the commission's current paralysis due to a lack of quorum, stalling vital investigations. The need for transparency in campaign finance amidst foreign interference is emphasized, particularly regarding online advertising. Weintraub also confronts misinformation, debunking claims of voter fraud and urging for accessible voting. This engaging conversation highlights the urgent need for reforms to ensure fair elections in the digital age.

Oct 2, 2019 • 1h 9min
Recode Decode: Obama's cybersecurity chief Michael Daniel
Michael Daniel, former cybersecurity coordinator for President Obama and current CEO of the Cyber Threat Alliance, dives deep into the state of US cybersecurity as the 2020 elections approach. He discusses the challenges posed by election hacking and the misleading safety measures that could arise. Daniel emphasizes the critical need for trust among election officials, government, and tech industries, and highlights the urgency to address misinformation and data privacy issues in the digital sphere. His insights shed light on international cyber threats and the potential for catastrophic accidents.

Sep 30, 2019 • 1h 9min
Recode Decode: FTC Commissioner Rebecca Kelly Slaughter
Rebecca Kelly Slaughter, FTC Commissioner and former chief counsel to Senator Chuck Schumer, dives into the pressing antitrust issues plaguing the tech industry. She critiques the FTC's penalties, highlighting her concerns about the $5 billion Facebook fine. Slaughter discusses the ongoing investigations into YouTube and the limits of corporate accountability. She also reflects on tech mergers during the Obama era and why a new internet regulatory agency isn't necessary, offering a deep look at the balance between enforcement and innovation in a rapidly evolving sector.

Sep 27, 2019 • 1h 9min
Recode Decode: Senator Mark Warner
Mark Warner, Senior US Senator from Virginia and vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, dives into pressing topics like election security and foreign interference, particularly from Russia. He discusses the need for regulatory reforms amidst growing concerns over tech giants' power. Warner expresses cautious optimism for bipartisan support on election reform and highlights the complexities of regulating social media in light of Section 230. Additionally, he addresses the evolving gig economy and the necessity for a revamped social insurance system to support workers.

Sep 25, 2019 • 55min
Recode Decode: Whistleblower Aid CEO John Tye
John Napier Tye, founder and CEO of Whistleblower Aid, discusses the vital role of whistleblowers in exposing corruption both in government and at private organizations. He shares insights on high-profile cases, including those involving MIT and President Trump’s phone call with Ukraine. Tye highlights the challenges whistleblowers face, including retaliation and legal complexities, while emphasizing the need for protective measures and secure communication. He also reflects on the evolving nature of whistleblowing in the digital age and its essential contribution to democracy.

Sep 23, 2019 • 48min
Recode Decode: Hermitage Capital CEO Bill Browder
In an engaging discussion, Bill Browder, a former hedge fund manager and human rights advocate known for his fight against Russian corruption, teams up with his son, Josh Browder, CEO of the innovative legal tech company DoNotPay. They delve into their shared mission to empower individuals against corporate injustices and explore how technology can simplify legal processes. The conversation tackles the complexities of the Magnitsky Act, subscription traps, and the ethical responsibilities of tech innovators in today's digital landscape.