
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

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Nov 28, 2023 • 1h 12min
Wix CEO Avishai Abrahami isn’t worried AI will kill the web
Avishai Abrahami, co-founder and CEO of Wix, shares insights on the company's evolution from a website builder to a full-scale business platform. He discusses the impact of AI on content creation and SEO, expressing confidence that it won't harm the web's integrity. The conversation dives into Wix's adaptation to current events, including the political landscape in Israel. Abrahami emphasizes the importance of responsible content moderation and the challenges of balancing freedom of expression with accuracy in an AI-driven world.

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Nov 20, 2023 • 1h 9min
Chaos at OpenAI: What happened to Sam Altman, and what's next
In this insightful conversation, Verge editors Alex Heath and David Pierce dissect the whirlwind changes at OpenAI, particularly the shocking firing of CEO Sam Altman. They delve into how this upheaval reflects deeper divisions within the company regarding AI's future. With over 500 employees threatening to resign, the emotional stakes couldn't be higher. The discussion also probes the implications of a possible shift back to a research-focused model for OpenAI and what it means for the AI landscape's competitive dynamics.

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Nov 14, 2023 • 1h 7min
Volvo CEO Jim Rowan thinks dropping CarPlay is a mistake
Jim Rowan, the CEO of Volvo Cars, shares insights from his extensive background in consumer electronics, shaping Volvo's shift to an all-electric future by 2030. He discusses the industry’s major shifts: electrification, autonomy, and direct-to-consumer sales. Jim emphasizes the importance of software integration and customer engagement in Volvo's transformation, along with unique marketing strategies tailored for electric vehicles. He also explores partnerships for sustainable tech, including collaboration with Northvolt and Google for enhanced in-car experiences.

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Nov 7, 2023 • 48min
Barack Obama on AI, free speech, and the future of the internet
In this discussion, former President Barack Obama shares his insights on the intersection of AI, free speech, and social media's impact on democracy. He highlights the urgent need for effective government regulations to keep pace with technological advancements. Obama emphasizes the importance of expertise in governance, advocating for tech professionals to contribute their knowledge to public service. He explores the balance between innovation and regulation, pointing out the risks of bias in AI and the necessity for diverse platforms in ensuring fair dialogue.

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Oct 31, 2023 • 57min
AI is on a collision course with the music industry. Reservoir's Golnar Khosrowshahi thinks there’s a way through it
Golnar Khosrowshahi, Founder and CEO of Reservoir Media, discusses the evolving music industry, emphasizing a shift towards viewing songs as assets. She tackles the impact of generative AI on copyright laws and the challenges it presents for artists. The conversation dives into Reservoir's innovative approach to acquiring established music catalogs for financial stability, and how viral trends shape revenue generation. Golnar also highlights the delicate balance between technological advancement and fair compensation for creators in this rapidly changing landscape.

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Oct 24, 2023 • 55min
Harvard professor Lawrence Lessig on why AI and social media are causing a free speech crisis for the internet
In this discussion, Harvard Law professor Lawrence Lessig, an expert on internet policy, dives into the conundrum of free speech amidst the chaos of AI and social media. He highlights the overwhelming presence of misinformation and the urgent need for regulatory frameworks to safeguard democracy. The conversation uncovers the tensions between First Amendment rights and the regulation of harmful content, as well as the implications of engagement-driven algorithms. Lessig also sheds light on copyright challenges posed by generative AI, advocating for fair artist compensation in the digital age.

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Oct 17, 2023 • 1h 2min
Clearview AI and the end of privacy, with author Kashmir Hill
In this intriguing discussion, Kashmir Hill, a New York Times reporter and author of 'Your Face Belongs to Us,' reveals the startling implications of Clearview AI’s facial recognition technology. She shares insights from her groundbreaking investigation into this secretive startup, which can identify anyone from a simple photo. Topics include the ethical dilemmas of surveillance, the chilling potential for wrongful arrests, and the personal vendettas that tech like this can enable. Hill emphasizes the urgent need for stronger privacy regulations as society navigates this new digital landscape.

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Oct 12, 2023 • 32min
CEO David Baszucki's mission to make Roblox a billion-player platform
David Baszucki, Founder and CEO of Roblox, shares his insights on transforming the platform from a kid-centric space to a creative hub for all ages. He discusses the integration of AI to assist content creators and the strategies for attracting a more mature audience. David also highlights the innovative ways Roblox is evolving into a social networking experience, incorporating advertising into immersive environments. His vision encompasses a future where fashion and creativity thrive, making Roblox a billion-user platform.

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Oct 10, 2023 • 40min
Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe on ramping up R1T production and competing with the Cybertruck
RJ Scaringe, CEO of Rivian, shares insights on the company's journey from concept to the successful launch of the R1T pickup in 2021. He discusses the challenges of ramping up production to meet soaring demand and the strategic partnership with Amazon for electric delivery vans. Scaringe also touches on the evolving automotive landscape, including subscription services and the competition with the Cybertruck. Additionally, he highlights the importance of transitioning to renewable energy and the complexities of sustainable battery production.

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Oct 5, 2023 • 34min
Getty Images CEO Craig Peters has a plan to defend photography from AI
Craig Peters, CEO of Getty Images, shares insights on the photography industry's battle with AI. He discusses the lawsuit against Stability AI for unauthorized use of Getty content and unveils Getty's proprietary AI tool designed to empower creators while ensuring they are paid. The conversation delves into the need for copyright protection, transparency in AI, and the urgency to balance innovation with creator rights, especially as the influence of AI in generating media continues to grow.