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Feb 19, 2019 • 57min

RRU 049: Azure Devops with Donovan Brown LIVE at Microsoft Ignite

Sponsors: NetlifySentry use the code “devchat” for $100 creditTripleByte   Panel: Charles Max Woods Special Guests: Donovan Brown In this episode, the Charles speaks with Donovan Brown. He is a principal DevOps Manager with Microsoft with a background in application development. He also runs one of the nation’s fastest growing online registration sites for motorsports events DLBRACING.com. When he is not writing software, he races cars for fun. Listen to today’s episode where Chuck and Donovan talk about DevOps, Azure, Python, Angular, React, Vue, and much, much more! Links: Donovan Brown’s GitHubDonovan Brown’s TwitterDonovan BrownDonovan Brown – Channel 9Donovan Brown – MicrosoftAzureYoTeamAzure.com/devopsGitHubAzure DevOps’ Twitter Picks: Charles Jet BlueBeta Testers Donovan YoTeamVSTeam Powershell ModuleSpecial Guest: Donovan Brown. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.
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Feb 12, 2019 • 55min

RRU 048: Using and Teaching React with Kay Plößer

Sponsors: NetlifySentry use the code "devchat" for $100 creditCacheFly Panel Lucas ReisNader DabitCharles Max Wood Special Guest: Kay Plößer Episode Summary In this episode of React Round Up, the panel talks with Kay Plößer, describing their experiences learning React. Kay is a software developer from Stuttgart, Germany and the author of the book React from Zero. They discuss the best approach to learning React from scratch. Kay describes the process of writing and producing his book 'React from Zero'. Initially he started with tutorials and lessons and then turned those into a book. It is constructed in two sections: basic and advanced and it's purpose is to help developers learn React without being overwhelmed. He has received great feedback from the people who have bought the book. Kay then describes his experiences teaching React to developers and talks about his blog post React Hooks Demystified which became really popular. The panel then about how developers can increase and diversify income through writing books and side projects. Links Kay's Book: React from ZeroKay's Blog Post: React Hooks DemystifiedKay’s LinkedInKay’s TwitterKay’s GitHubKay's WebsiteKay's SkillshareKay's Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/React-Round-Uphttps://twitter.com/reactroundup Picks Nader Dabit: Finite and Infinite Games by James Carse Lucas Reis: An Introduction and Guide to the CSS Object ModelAST Explorer Charles Wood: Charles' New Devchat.tv Build on Eleventy on GitHub Kay Plößer: Wardley mapsSpecial Guest: Kay Plößer. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.
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Feb 12, 2019 • 1h 14min

RR 399: Jets Ruby Serverless Framework with Tung Nguyen

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Feb 5, 2019 • 1h 3min

RRU 047: Expo with Charlie Cheever

Sponsors: KendoUISentry use the code "devchat" for $100 creditTripleByte $1000 signing bonusCachefly Panel: Nader DabitJustin BennettCharles Max Wood Special Guest:  Charlie Cheever Notes: This episode of React Round Up has the panelists talking to Charlie Cheever, a former Facebook employee, who currently works on Expo.  The panel discusses Charlies article called “Should we be using React Native?”,  Airbnb sunsetting their React Native app, and the nature of the Expo app. Charlie describes Expo as the easiest way to do React Native using just JavaScript, and making it as easy and powerful as possible. Expo works kind of like a web browser for JavaScript, and is available on iOS, Android, and and Google app stores. Expo CLI has replaced Create React Native CLI because Expo is more user friendly. Many features are already included in Expo, including OTA updates, dealing with fonts, video player, Facebook ad and Google ads, barcode scanner, Native maps, and much more. To get started on your computer, go to snack.expo.io or download the Expo app on your phone. The panelists chat about the success of Charlie’s company and how he has attracted so many great programmers to his company. Charlie gives a history of how Expo got started. Charlie gives advice on how to start a business around a free tool, and the goal of Expo to make every service available on the app before focusing on making money. The panel discusses sustainability in the software world, as making people pay for things can drive them to write their own stuff. They talk about the benefits of using Expo and its ability to cross platforms, and enterprise companies such as Youtube and Instagram shifting over to using React. Charlie attributes this shift to two things; the increase in software developer salaries driving down the number of available software engineers, which makes it difficult for smaller companies to hire engineers, thus pushing them to use things like React and Expo to make up for it. Last, the panelists talk about the possibility that the world is moving towards a future characterized by a “write once, run everywhere” and more uniform experiences across operating systems. Terms: React NativeExpoExpo CLIVS CodeEmacs VimXamarinTitanium Native ScriptAWS Picks: Nader: Video series on EggheadOn Grand Strategy Justin: rePNGDark Reader Charles: Pomodoro methodKanbonflowJohn Somnez video Charlie: React navigationReact Native Gesture HandlerReact Native ReanimatedWiliam Candelon “Can It Be Done in React Native” videosSpecial Guest: Charlie Cheever. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.
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Jan 30, 2019 • 1h 9min

RRU 046: GraphQL vs REST APIs with Max Desiatov

SponsorsKendoUISentry use the code “devchat” for $100 creditTripleByteCacheflyPanelLucas ReisJustin BennettCharles Max WoodJoined by Special Guest: Max DesiatovSummaryMax Desiatov shares his experience transitioning from REST to GraphQL. The panel discusses Max’s migration strategy and other strategies. REST and GraphQL are compared, the problems with both are discussed. The panel shares their favorite things about GraphQL including workflow and data modeling. The solutions for GraphQL problems are discussed and the things the panel would like to see are mentioned. Max Desiatov and Justin Bennett share the different tools they use including Apollo and Graphiql. Charles Max Wood steers the conversation to the adoption of GraphQL by companies.Linkshttps://sailsjs.com/https://graphql.orghttps://spring.io/understanding/HATEOAShttps://www.graphile.org/postgraphile/https://www.apollographql.com/docs/react/https://github.com/expo/apollo-codegenhttps://github.com/graphql/graphiqlhttps://www.apollographql.com/docs/graphql-tools/schema-stitching.htmlhttps://www.apollographql.com/docs/react/essentials/local-state.htmlhttps://desiatov.com/why-graphql/https://desiatov.com/https://twitter.com/maxdesiatovhttps://github.com/maxdesiatovPicksJustin Bennetthttps://renovatebot.com/The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan and Brandon SandersonCharles Max Woodhttps://www.11ty.io/https://devchat.tv/ruby-rogues/rr-383-rbspy-a-newish-ruby-profiler-with-julia-evans/Max Desiatovhttps://nadiaeghbal.comhttps://jvns.ca/blog/2018/09/18/build-impossible-programs/Special Guest: Max Desiatov.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.
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Jan 24, 2019 • 55min

RRU 045: React Hooks with Dave Ceddia

Sponsors KendoUISentry use the code “devchat” for $100 creditTripleByteCachefly Panel Charles Max WoodLucas ReisJustin Bennett Joined by Special Guest: Dave Ceddia Summary Dave Ceddia introduces hooks and what they let you do. The panel discusses how hooks work and how they will clean up the code. Dave explains what react does behind the scenes when hooks are being used. Hooks are simple to use but hard to explain, so the panel asks Dave how he would teach hooks. Dave explains there is a learning hump and shares what trips most developers up. The panel considers the switch from life cycles to effect and the mindset shift it requires.  The difficulties of hooks are explored, such as there are now three ways to share functionality in react components. Dave shares the advantages of using array destructing instead of object destructing. The panel considers how hooks change the react framework and whether it is worth going back and refactoring everything or to refactor as you go. Different migration paths are discussed and the panel gives advice for different company types and sizes. Jokingly the panel contemplates the hype surrounding hooks and suspense. Links https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2DU0qLfPIY&feature=youtu.be&t=2445https://reactjs.org/docs/hooks-faq.html#should-i-use-hooks-classes-or-a-mix-of-bothhttps://english.stackexchange.com/questions/12980/how-to-pronounce-tuplehttps://reactjs.org/blog/2018/11/27/react-16-roadmap.htmlhttps://reactjs.org/docs/hooks-intro.htmlhttps://daveceddia.com/tags/#hookshttps://youtu.be/CpPCJigsPNYhttps://daveceddia.com/https://twitter.com/dceddia Picks Charles Max Wood mastermindhunt.com/devchathttps://devchat.tv/get-a-coder-job/ Lucas Reis https://xstate.js.org/docs/https://github.com/carloslfu/use-machine Justin Bennett https://github.com/zeit/ncchttps://parceljs.org/https://bcrikko.github.io/NES.css/ Dave Ceddia https://codesandbox.io/docs/livehttps://jamesclear.com/atomic-habitsSpecial Guest: Dave Ceddia. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.
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Jan 15, 2019 • 45min

RRU 044: TypeScript with Spencer Miskoviak

Sponsors KendoUISentry use the code “devchat” for $100 creditTripleByteCacheFly Panel Charles Max WoodNader DabitJC Hiatt Joined by Special Guest: Spencer Miskoviak Summary In this episode, Spencer Miskoviak shares his experience and answers questions about using typescript in React. Spencer starts by answering why react developers tend to use es6 and what the tradeoff is using typescript instead. The panel contemplates the advantages and disadvantages of using typescript and its gaining momentum in the React community. Spencer discusses how they are using typescript at Handshake and how it has paid off. Create react app and its support of typescript is discussed. The episode ends with Spencer answering questions about using dot notation with typescript and how it works. Links https://webpack.js.org/https://parceljs.org/https://medium.com/@skovy/using-component-dot-notation-with-typescript-to-create-a-set-of-components-b0b2aad4892bhttps://app.joinhandshake.com/loginhttps://medium.com/@skovyhttps://twitter.com/SpencerSkovyhttps://github.com/Skovy Picks Nader Dabit https://medium.com/open-graphqlhttps://reinvent.awsevents.com/ JC Hiatt Sony Noise Cancelling Headphones WH1000XM3 Charles Max Wood https://devchat.tv/dev-rev/https://www.garyvaynerchuk.com/podcast/https://player.fm/series/refactor-your-body Spencer Miskoviak http://www.rubberducking.fm/The Future of ReactEndurance: My Year in Space, A Lifetime of Discovery by Scott Kelly Special Guest: Spencer Miskoviak. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.
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Dec 25, 2018 • 1h 16min

RRU 043: Testing React Apps Without Testing Implementation Details with Kent C. Dodds

Panel: Lucas ReisJustin BennettCharles Max Wood Special Guest: Kent C. Dodds In this episode, the panelist talk with today’s guest, Kent C. Dodds who works for PayPal, is an instructor, and works through open source! Kent lives in Utah with his wife and four children. Kent and the panel talk today about testing – check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Kendo UI 0:32 – Chuck: Hello! My new show is TheDevRev – please go check it out! 1:35 – Panel: I want all of it! 1:43 – Chuck: Our guest is Kent C. Dodds! You were on the show for a while and then you got busy. 2:06 – Guest.  3:09 – Panel: The kid part is impressive. 3:20 – Guest: Yeah it’s awesome, but the kid part is my wife!  4:09 – Panel: 10 years ago we weren’t having any tests and then now we are thinking about how to write better tests. It’s the next step on that subject. What is your story with tests and what sparked these ideas? 4:50 – Guest. 7:25 – Panel: We have a bunch of tests at my work. “There is no such thing as too many tests” are being said a lot! Then we started talking about unit tests and there was this shift. The tests, for me, felt cumbersome. How do I know that this suite of tests are actually helping me and not hurting me? 8:32 – Guest: I think that is a valuable insight. 11:03 – Panel: What is the make-up of a good test? 11:13 – Guest: Test every line – everything! No. 11:19 – Chuck: “Look at everything!” I don’t know where to start, man! 11:30 – Guest: How do you avoid those false negatives and false positives. 15:38 – Panel: The end user is going to be like more of integration test, and the developer user will be more like a unit tester? 16:01 – Guest: I don’t care too much of the distinction between unit and integration tests. 18:36 – Panel: I have worked in testing in the past. One of the big things that fall on the users’ flow is that it’s difficult b/c maybe a tool like Selenium: when will things render? Are you still testing things in isolation? 19:33 – Guest: It depends. When I talk about UI integration testing I am still mocking the backend. 23:10 – Chuck: I am curious, where do you decide these are expensive (so I don’t want to do too many of them), but at what point is it worth it to do it? 23:30 – Guest mentions the testing pyramid. 28:14 – Chuck: Why do you care about confidence? What is confidence and what does it matter? 28:35 – FreshBooks! 29:50 – Guest. 32:20 – Panel: I have something to add about the testing pyramid. Lucas talks about tooling, Mocha, JS Dong, and more! 33:44 – Guest: I think the testing pyramid is outdated and I have created my own. Guest talks about static testing, LINT, Cypress, and more! 35:32 – Chuck: When I was a new developer, people talked about using tests to track down bugs. What if it’s a hairy bug? 36:07 – Guest: If you can, you can use this methodical approach... 39:46 – Panel: Let’s talk about the React library for a little bit? Panel: Part of the confidence of the tests we write we ask ourselves “will it stand the test of time?” How does the React Testing library go about to solve that? 41:05 – Guest. 47:51 – Panel: A few more questions. When you are getting something and testing and grabbing the label by its text have you found that to be fragile? Is it reasonably reliable? 48:57 – Guest: Yeah this is a concern and it relies on content. 53:06 – Panel: I like this idea of having a different library. Sometimes we think that a powerful tool is better, but after spending some time with other tools that’s not always the case. 54:16 – Guest: “You tie your hands to free your mind.” It does less but what it does less it does better. 55:42 – Panel: I think that with Cypress, too? 55:51 – Guest: Yeah that’s why Cypress is great to use. 57:17 – Panel: I wrote a small library here at work and it deals with metrics. I automated all of those small clicks – write a bit – click a bit – and it was really good. I felt quite efficient. Those became the tests. 57:58 – Panel: One more question: What about react Native? That comes up a lot. At looking at testing libraries we try to keep parody between the two. Do you have any thoughts on that? 58:34 – Guest talks about React Native. 1:00:22 – Panel: Anything else? It’s fascinating to talk about and dive-into these topics. When we talk about confidence that is very powerful, too. 1:01:02 – Panelist asks the last question! 1:01:38 – Guest: You could show them the coverage support. Links: Ruby on RailsAngularJavaScriptElmPhoenixGitHubGet A Coder JobEnzymeReact Testing LibraryCypress.ioHillel WayneTesting JavaScript with Kent C. DoddsKent Dodds’ NewsKent Dodds’ BlogEgghead.io – Kent C. DoddsReady to Write a Novel?Practical TLA+GitHub: Circleci-queueGitHub: sstephenson / batsTodoistDiscordKent’s Twitter Sponsors: Get a Coder JobCache FlyFresh BooksKendo UI  Picks: Lucas Hillel Wayne Practical TLA+ Justin Circle CI QueueBatsTodoists Charles MFCEO Project PodcastThe DevRev Kent Discord Devs Who WriteFinding your Why!TestingJavaScript.com kcd.im/newskcd.i./hooks-and-suspenseNaNoWriMoSpecial Guest: Kent C. Dodds. Advertising InquirieBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.
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Dec 18, 2018 • 41min

RRU 042: React at Product Hunt with Radoslav Stankov

Panel: Lucas ReisNader Dabit Special Guest: Radoslav Stankov In this episode, the panelists talk with today’s guest, Radoslav Stankov, who is a senior developer at Product Hunt. The panel and the guest talk about React, jQuery, Backbone, and much more! Check it out! Show Topics: 0:00 – Kendo UI 0:31 – Nader: Hello! Our guest today is Radoslav. 4:02 – Nader: What is your role and what are your main responsibilities? 4:10 – Guest answers. 4:39 – Panel: Can you tell us the story of how you started to use React? 4:55 – Guest: We started 4 years ago. The guest answers the question and mentions jQuery and Backbone. 9:01 – Panel: That’s nice – so you are trying to use a simpler application but the React server still need to be separated right? 9:14 – Guest: Yes, we tried to keep it as simple as possible. 10:38 – Panel: How was the adoption of React and how painful was it? You mentioned that you were used Flux and others, so was it messy and complicated for you? Or was it easy for you? 11:15 – Guest: It had its moments. 16:03 – Nader: So what are some of the reasons why you would be messing around with service-side rendering? 16:20 – The guest lists the reasons why they use it. 18:07 – Nader: Interesting. It helps for mobile clients? What do you mean – is it for the people with slower connections? 18:22 – Guest: Yes. The mobile plan can see the page. It can actually see how it’s rendered. 19:53 – Panel: How do you detect that it’s a mobile request from the server? 20:00 – Guest. 31:04 – Panel: We wanted to make it much faster and started using Node and streaming the library. Instead of creating a big string and then sending back to the user we were using the function...It’s super cool. We started using 30% less resources once we’ve deployed. (Wow!) Yeah I know! When you stream then the Node can be smarter and streaming at the same time. 32:03 – Guest. 33:21 – Panel: Interesting thing about the streaming is that we were fetching data after it started. After it was streaming HTML it was already... 38:21 – Nader: We talked about the WEB but you are all using REACT with mobile, too. Can you talk about how your company is using REACT? I know you’ve made things natively, too. 38:40 – Guest: I bit of history first then I will answer the question. 41:29 – Nader: Do you think the changes will happen in the right time to help with your fruition or no? 41:45 – Guest answers. 43:33 – How does the team manage working with all of these technologies? Does everyone have his or her own role? 43:54 – Guest answers. 48:03 – Panel: What are the drawbacks to that? 48:10 – Guest answers. 50:52 – Nader: Anything else? 51:00 – Guest: I think we covered a lot of great topics! Ads: FreshBooks!Get A Coder Job!Cache Fly! Links: Ruby on RailsAngularJavaScriptElmPhoenixGitHubGet A Coder JobReact Round UpGuest’s LinkedInGuest’s GitHubGistIntroducing HooksIdle Until UrgentNader’s Tweet Sponsors: Get a Coder JobCache FlyFresh BooksKendo UI  Picks: Radoslav Getting to know React DOM’s event handling system inside and outReact Fiber ArchitectureReact HooksReact.NotAConf Lucas Idle Until UrgentIntroducing Hooks Nader Writing Custom React Hooks for GraphQLReact Native HooksSpecial Guest: Radoslav Stankov. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.
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Dec 11, 2018 • 48min

RRU 041: Design Patterns with Soumyajit Pathak

Panel: - Lucas Reis- Charles Max Wood- Justin Bennett Special Guest: https://twitter.com/drenther In this episode, the panelists talk with https://github.com/drenther (India) who is a full-stack developer and cybersecurity enthusiast. The panel and the guest talk about design patterns and designing simpler code for clarity and less confusion. Check out today’s episode! Show Topics: 0:00 – https://www.telerik.com/kendo-ui?utm_campaign=kendo-ui-awareness-jsjabber&utm_medium=social-paid&utm_source=devchattv 0:31 – Chuck: Our panelists are and our guest is Soumyajit! Introduce yourself please! Are you doing React on the side? 1:02 – https://twitter.com/drenther I am a master’s student and I am doing freelancing. 1:42 – Panel. 1:49 – Guest. 2:10 – Chuck: I am feeling very up-to-date. Woo! Universities are teaching this and that and they are focused on theory. The flipside is that they are going to write real code for real systems. 3:10 – Panel: I like your well-written blog posts. You talk about design patterns. 3:50 – Guest: The design patterns at the university had to do with real JavaScript applications. 4:09 – Chuck: I am curious you are talking about the design patterns – how can people from React find/use it? 4:45 – Panel: It depends on your definition of design patterns. 5:35 – Lucas: Maybe you are using one or two here and reading through the design patterns is like going through your toolbox. You only need a screwdriver but you bought the whole toolbox. Get familiar with it and from time to time solve problems and thing: what tool can help me here? It’s clear to me with this toolbox analogy. I understand now – that tool I saw 2 months ago could help me. 7:00 – Guest: I have an interesting story with this about design patterns. Let me share! 7:36 – Justin: It was a similar thing but I wasn’t in JavaScript at the time. I’ve used a lot of C++ code. Design patterns became very useful. I saw it the same way Lucas! 9:23 – Justin continues: How and why to use a certain tool. That’s important. 10:28 – Chuck: Okay this is the default pattern and that’s where we can go for the fallback. Here is the fallback if this doesn’t work here or there. 10:49 – Lucas: This is important to remember. It’s not how to use the tool but it’s why am I using this tool here or there? 11:57 – Justin: It’s so much information in general. People get information overload and they have to just start! One of the challenges we do is that we over-engineer things. Do what you need to know. Look it up but play with it. 12:40 – Lucas: It’s interesting by another blog post that you wrote Soumyajit – and you are using a render prop. You showed a problem and showed the solution. 13:30 – Guest: Yeah I’ve written a lot of blog posts about this topic. 13:48 – Panel: Often times – it’s hard for people just to dive-in. People need to see you solving a problem and it really helps with the learning process. 15:03 – Chuck: What patterns do you find most useful? 15:11 – Panel: Functional components have changed my world! 16:23 – Guest: Around these functional components... 17:17 – Panel: I will go with the patterns that are not useful. Don’t make your code pattern-oriented. This is my favorite pattern now and going back to basics. 18:53 – Panelists go back-and-forth. 19:01 – Lucas. 19:41 – Chuck: You talk about over-engineering things and that’s what I found myself doing sometimes with my new project. When I figure out how to make it simpler I get excited and it’s easy to follow. 20:15 – Panel: We celebrate the person who deleted the most lines of code. 20:28 – Panel: I am going to steal that idea. 21:04 – Guest: I have an interesting story of over-engineering something – let me share! 21:53 – https://www.freshbooks.com/?adgroupid=51893696397&campaignid=717543354&crid=285105591548&dv=c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4ey45u-T3wIVhCJpCh0fZgOJEAAYASAAEgLXS_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&ntwk=g&ref=ppc-fb&source=GOOGLE&targetid=kwd-298507762065 22:59 – Panel: Building too much is b/c I don’t have a clear understanding of what I am doing. I get excited about problems. What’s the more simple way / most naïve way possible! 24:36 – Lucas: If you are going to change something you will be changing it in several different places. 25:50 – Chuck: When I heard the concept, all the codes that change together should be together. 26:08 – Lucas comments. 26:53 – Panel: Keeping things contained in one place. We have our presentational component and higher-level component, so you can see it all. 28:28 – Lucas: Different people working on different technologies. 29:15 – Panel: Can I break this down to smaller parts, which makes sense to me? 29:48 – Guest: Looking for keywords will cause a distraction. Finding a balance is good. 30:04 – Chuck: If you have a large rile there could be a smaller component that is there own concern. That feels like the real answer to me. It has a lot less than the length of the file versus... Chuck: If I cannot follow it then I need to keep the concept simple. 30:51 – Lucas: The quantity of lines and the line count – I think it’s better how many indentations you have. 32:43 – Guest. 32:48 – Lucas: Yes, so in the horizontal scrolling you have to keep things in your mind. 33:41 – Panel: There are so many different metrics that you can use and the different line count or different characters. There are more scientific terms that we could plugin here. If you have a lot of these abstract relations that can...write it  34:23 – Chuck: So true. 34:52 – Chuck: I want to move onto a different problem so it’s an attention thing for me too. 35:06 – Panel: We have to get okay with not always writing the best code in that it just needs to do what it needs to do. 35:30 – Chuck. 35:57 – Panel: We write it once – then it falls apart and then we write it again and learn from the process. Learning is the key here – you see where it works and where it doesn’t work well. 36:31 – Panel. 36:47 – Chuck mentions service-side rendering. Chuck: Should we schedule another episode? 37:11 – Panel: I think it’s own episode b/c it’s a complex problem overall. 39:33 – Lucas: Try to find memory leaks in the file components and server-side rendering. Where we have lost a lot of sleep and a higher level of complication. Sometimes it’s necessary. 41:42 – Chuck: Yeah let’s do another episode on this topic. Sounds like there is a lot to dive into this topic. Soumyajit, how do people find you? 42:10 – Guest: Twitter and https://github.com/drenther 42:28 – Picks! 42:30 – https://www.digitalocean.com/ End – https://www.cachefly.com Links: - https://rubyonrails.org- https://angular.io/guide/quickstart- https://www.javascript.com- https://elm-lang.org/community- https://phoenixframework.org- https://github.com- https://devchat.tv/get-a-coder-job/- https://reactpatterns.com- https://calibreapp.com- https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/engineering-safer-world- https://muz.li- https://www.amazon.com/Monster-Hunter-International-Second-Hunters-ebook/dp/B00XLQ9PF6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&keywords=monster+hunters+international+series&language=en_US&linkCode=sl1&linkId=8677e2fa9b6c3b5fe9de5c749f826715&qid=1540397018&sr=8-6&tag=devchattv-20- https://github.com/drenther- https://twitter.com/drenther Sponsors: - https://devchat.tv/get-a-coder-job/- https://www.cachefly.com- https://www.freshbooks.com/?adgroupid=53169078638&ag=%257Efreshbooks&camp=US%2528SEM%2529Branded%257CEXM&campaignid=717543354&crid=289653575014&dclid=CPaQ6KX0id4CFUTcwAodvfQEcA&dv=c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwr_9ofSJ3gIVyrfACh1DkQVNEAAYASAAEgJIUvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&kw=fresh%2520books&kwid=kwd-299596828929&ntwk=g&ref=ppc-na-fb&source=GOOGLE- https://www.telerik.com/kendo-ui?utm_campaign=kendo-ui-awareness-jsjabber&utm_medium=social-paid&utm_source=devchattv Picks: Justin -Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

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