As part of our "Archival August," we are re-releasing episodes from the past that have held specific significance for me recently, as I take some time for personal healing. This episode with David Clinton was really moving for me personally. David is from my same hometown and I don't know about you guys, but during the pandemic and everything that's been going on, there's been a lot of reflecting on the past and the ways in which our upbringing caused harm or trauma. David has become somebody that I have reached out to more regularly because he's just a really, really awesome guy.  *** David Clinton is a private practice therapist in Naperville, Illinois. He's a native of Cincinnati and studied psychology and religion at Indiana university before entering his masters in clinical psychology from Wheaton college, he's counseled in private since 2002. He's also a guitarist and amateur photographer and an avid reader. David is married and a father of two children who fill his days with laughter, excitement and a significant amount of property damage.  *** Conversations with a Wounded Healer is a proud member of @mhnrnetwork. Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places... Website: www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoundedHealr/ https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartTherapy/ Instagram: @headhearttherapy Twitter: @WoundedHealr @HeadHeart_Chi

As part of our "Archival August," we are re-releasing episodes from the past that have held specific significance for me recently, as I take some time for personal healing. Lisa Lackey, is one of the premier therapists in Chicago. And it's funny, I knew Lisa from afar for a really long time and kind of had put her on a pedestal. Early on, when we were starting to talk, I remember feeling honored that she was interested in connecting with me. And now she's somebody who I know that I can go to with absolutely anything and she's one of the most generous clinicians. I mean, I know a lot of generous clinicians, but for somebody of Lisa's caliber to be so generous is just truly exceptional. Lisa identifies as a black woman and she's been doing a lot of work in the anti-racism realm lately. And we don't really talk a lot about that in this episode, but the way that she's combining anti-racism work with empathy and compassion is I think truly what needs to happen in this country overall right now. *** Lisa Lackey has worked in the field of addiction and trauma since 1994. She's driven by the passion to support persons as they journey toward resolution from the inside out. Her clinical expertise is in the treatment of sexual addiction, trauma, and other addictions. She's worked as a pastor, leadership development consultant, and public speaker in a variety of venues. She loves learning and teaching what she learns. Her passion for what she does makes her a dynamic and compassionate therapist and an engaging speaker who connects as easily with individuals as she does with large audiences. Lisa's podcast is Insideout Conversations. *** Conversations with a Wounded Healer is a proud member of @mhnrnetwork. Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places... Website: www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoundedHealr/ https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartTherapy/ Instagram: @headhearttherapy Twitter: @WoundedHealr @HeadHeart_Chi

As part of our "Archival August," we are re-releasing episodes from the past that have held specific significance for me recently, as I take some time for personal healing. This episode with Tanya Markul felt right to share right now because the world is going through a major transformation and all the shadows are coming to light so we can transmute them. Tanya's latest book is The She Book v.2. *** Tanya Markul’s path is one of the poetess, intuitive and wounded storyteller. An unwanted child, she was raised on barren soil, of shame, guilt and overwhelming self-hatred. From the womb, her inner navigation was tainted from an ancestry of addiction, instability, abuse and fear. Her journey to self-heal, and to become ready to guide others, has taken many arduous paths, risks and harrowing rebirths. In this episode, Sarah speaks with the Thug Unicorn herself: Tanya Markul. Tanya and Sarah discuss the ecstasy within the ache, what lies beneath our traumatic stories, and how we share our stories in an effort to inspire others to find their way out of trauma and pain. Conversations with a Wounded Healer is a proud member of @mhnrnetwork. Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places... Website: www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoundedHealr/ https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartTherapy/ Instagram: @headhearttherapy Twitter: @WoundedHealr @HeadHeart_Chi

As part of our "Archival August," we are re-releasing episodes from the past that have held specific significance for me recently, as I take some time for personal healing. This episode was recorded in the very beginning of my anti-racism journey, a touching conversation at a pivotal moment. *** Mishara D. Winston, LCSW is a Black, queer, creative adventure therapist and the owner of an uncommon social & emotional wellness sanctuary called To Indy, With Love.  To Indy, With Love focuses on gathering, playing, feeling for communal healing. Each of it's services (mental wellness coaching, experiences & speaking) are specifically crafted for Black, Indigenous & PoC, LGBTQIA+ people and Indiana folks of many faiths, helping them to remember our ancestors were mental health experts and we can socially and emotionally heal ourselves and each other.  Her work is found at @toindywithlove on IG & FB and at www.toindywithlove.com. Mishara has redefined what it means to be an adventure therapist in the Midwest. She shares with Sarah her experience as a Black woman navigating the standards for professionalism (whiteness) in the field of social work and how she uses the power of choice to care for herself. Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places... Website: www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoundedHealr/ https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartTherapy/ Instagram: @headhearttherapy Twitter: @WoundedHealr @HeadHeart_Chi

A quick note to let you know that I'm taking a break in August, and why. Never fear, I'll be back in September and in the meantime, we are revisiting some friends from previous episodes. *** Conversations with a Wounded Healer is a proud member of @mhnrnetwork. Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website: www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoundedHealr/ https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartTherapy/ Instagram:  @headhearttherapy Twitter: @WoundedHealr @HeadHeart_Chi

“Having those wounds shapes you, but also lets the next person know that they can heal from their wounds.” ~Da’Jonese Turner Empathy + Empowerment = Resilience. That’s a standard formula for wellbeing, but without access, whole communities never receive the attention they deserve. That leaves generations of traumas and day-to-day anxieties unidentified and unaddressed.  Lean in to what Da'Jonese Turner, MA, has to say about the power of affordable, accessible wellness options for all. Da’Jonese is the founder of Me In The Making Wellness, a haven where Chicago's Black population and POC can experience mental health care from therapists who understand the emotional baggage -- not least of which is the  “weakness” associated with asking for help.  Da’Jonese fantasy of a mission-driven center has been a bricks and mortar reality since 2015 -- a lifetime ago by today’s hurry-up and wait standards. 2020 continues to serve up wildly mixed messages: Stay home to avoid COVID19! Get out and protest for social change!  CWH is grateful to Da’Jonese for opening up about her resulting mental fatigue and self-care (or not) routine. She shared with us an inspiring story from her practice and offered straightforward advice for white people new to the work of becoming anti-racist. “I would hope that for people who are struggling with race, when you know what racism is and what it looks like, to find somebody that they can talk to about it and figure it out from there.” BIO: Da’Jonese Turner is a master’s level clinician, who has built her career on the premise of helping others, especially today’s youth and young adults. As the founder of Me in the Making Wellness, DaJonese continues to use her gifts and talents to facilitate change for the families served, through the organization's 3 pillars of Counseling, Coaching and Community outreach. When she is not working, Da’Jonese wears many other hats ~ dope daughter, super sister and supportive friend. She spends her time with all these lovely people and enjoying her favorite things: traveling, binge watching tv, listening to music and playing puzzle games.  For full show notes, guest information, and resources, visit: http://www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast *** Conversations with a Wounded Healer is a proud member of @mhnrnetwork. Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website: www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoundedHealr/ https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartTherapy/ Instagram:  @headhearttherapy Twitter: @WoundedHealr @HeadHeart_Chi

“I feel like everybody has healing qualities in one way or another. We all have gifts, right, and blessings and so I believe everybody... no matter who you are, has that.” ~Ryanne Bright With friends like Ryanne Bright MA, LCPC, CADC, it's a wonder we haven't yet solved ALL of the world's problems. But we're working on it! Ryanne is the co-founder, co-owner and Chief Clinical Officer of The Family Recovery Centers in Chicagoland. As if she didn't have enough on her plate, she's also the founder of Chicago Integrative Center For Psychology. Her ability to reach high-risk kids, often without returning them to inpatient programs, has earned her the nickname "last chance Ryanne" (love that).  Another characteristic that makes Ryanne perfectly suited to connect with the classically challenging to reach? She owns the healer label and all the wounds that got her here: an early reliance on drugs and alcohol as well as a youthful arrogance directed at her own therapy, even as she pursued her degree in the field. She encourages those new to the profession to commit to their own therapy as well (dear listener, after 100+ episodes, you know I’m down with this advice!) That’s a foundational tenet of our grand plan for solving the world's problems.  Ryanne and I kick around a few more ideas, like chipping away at the performative authenticity many inexperienced therapists rely on in session. Also, restoring art and intuitiveness to the science of care. Once we’ve conquered those tasks, all will be well. Listen in; you’ll see.  BIO: Ryanne is the Co-Owner/Co-Founder of The Family Recovery Centers (an intensive outpatient program for adolescents and their families in Lake Bluff, Hoffman Estates and St. Charles, IL) and The Chicago Integrative Center for Psychology (a large private practice in Lake Bluff, IL). In her 20 years of counseling, Ryanne has worked in multiple levels of care including intake coordination, private practice, intensive outpatient programs and inpatient units. She also has experience assessing potential psychiatric patients in the medical setting and working with special needs adults. For full show notes, guest information, and resources, visit: http://www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast *** Conversations with a Wounded Healer is a proud member of @mhnrnetwork. Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website: www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoundedHealr/ https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartTherapy/ Instagram:  @headhearttherapy Twitter: @WoundedHealr @HeadHeart_Chi

“I think it's just really trying to take time to just sit. You don't even have to close your eyes.  Just sit in your home and just look around. What do you hear? What do you feel in your body?” ~Jay Taylor Heads up, beautiful people: My conversation with Sound Meditation Facilitator Jay Taylor was recorded waaaay back in the spring, the earliest days of regional pandemic precautions and well before the murder of George Floyd. Some things have changed...and some have stayed the same. Which practices have you chosen to bring with you on this journey? Jay’s Sit In Sound sessions use gongs, crystal bowls, and percussive instruments to create immersive experiences or sound baths. We discuss how these high-vibe gatherings work to draw out tension, relieve stress, and even help participants address trauma, experiences he’s fostered in a wide range of settings (think corporate seminars, schools, addiction centers). "If you're feeling fear, anxiety, these types of things, we're trained at this point to push those things down...we get stuck in loops." Given our current socio-political-public-health environment, it's easier than ever to see how those loops perpetuate the stories we tell about ourselves and each other. Jay wants us to give our brains a break. Just sit for a bit and see what comes up. Whatever that is or isn’t, you're doing the best you can. If you're curious about sound baths (and I know you are!), Jay shares a brief sample with us at the end of this episode. GUEST BIO: Half way through a 10 year career teaching students with disabilities, physical education, nutrition, and mindfulness, Jay took on the philosophy that everybody is trying their best all of the time AND that expanding our version of 'best' can be accomplished through the release of stress, healing of trauma, and the loving consideration of the body. Jay began facilitating Sound Meditations in 2018 and has shared his sounds with over 400 groups of participants in Chicago-land hospitals, addiction centers, non-profits, schools, clubs, galleries, yoga studios, and corporate offices. Through his work he has come to fully understand the power that vibration has in creating space for others to truly relax and feel rejuvenated. For full show notes, guest information, and resources, visit: http://www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast *** Conversations with a Wounded Healer is a proud member of @mhnrnetwork. Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website: www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoundedHealr/ https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartTherapy/ Instagram:  @headhearttherapy Twitter: @WoundedHealr @HeadHeart_Chi

“We're all just trying to figure out a way through it and praying and hoping beyond hope that this hurt and anxiety we feel in these moments are actual birth pains that are about to birth for us something new and beautiful that we haven't yet imagined, or that we've imagined and have never, ever thought possible.” ~Anna Golladay Anna Golladay is a balm for anyone who doesn’t exactly vibe with Christianity. As co-host of ActivisTheology podcast, along with her partner Robyn Henderson-Espinoza, Anna explores the myriad aspects of social healing.  As a United Methodist pastor and co-director of the ActivisTheology, she’s a compelling voice for liberation, equity, and inclusion, the same causes a certain radical mystic and activist was crucified for. Yup, Jesus. For those with an agnostic - or worse - relationship with Christianity, Anna’s ministerial activism will come as a pleasant surprise. Anna’s love for her church is far from blind. This white, CIS-gendered woman with the kick-ass hair (just sayin’) is clear-eyed and confrontational. Anna doesn’t confine her view to the lofty heights of the pulpit. Instead, she whole-heartedly embraces her role on the front lines of the battle for social transformation, going so far as to eschew the term ally for something far more involved.  “I don’t ever want to be called an ally again. I want to be an accomplice.” Allyship provides cover, safety. Anna prefers to be close enough to those being harmed that she’s hit with the stones instead of them. Yup...just like that radical mystic and activist from 2000 years ago. If you’re interested in my conversation with Anna’s partner and co-host Dr. Robyn Henderson-Espinoza (and I know you are!), you can listen here. GUEST BIO: Anna Golladay thrives on curating creative, spiritual & entrepreneurial possibility. As a highly accomplished and multi-talented creative, marketing and branding expert, she has over 20 years of blended corporate, independent and not-for-profit experience.  She is a minister in the United Methodist Church. Her ministry is focused on social justice and any inequity that exists both inside and outside the walls of the corporate church. She is diligent in her advocacy of full inclusion of all persons in the United Methodist denomination. As a queer justice advocate via faith and social construct arenas she boldly enters spaces of difference and stands firmly in the gap. For full show notes, guest information, and resources, visit: http://www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast *** Conversations with a Wounded Healer is a proud member of @mhnrnetwork. Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website: www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoundedHealr/ https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartTherapy/ Instagram:  @headhearttherapy Twitter: @WoundedHealr @HeadHeart_Chi

“The 12 steps are a return to the internal world...If you just do the cogs in a wheel, they will create an emotional rearrangement in you.” ~Veronica Valli Hundreds of people take shaky steps toward sobriety every day. Veronica Valli began her journey 20 years ago this past May. Like many, she credits Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) with helping her stay joyfully sober. But the author, podcast host, psychotherapist and coach knows not everyone shares her experience.  That said, she's not about to let a recent New York Times OpEd piece get away with passing off misinformation as fact - especially where the care of female alcoholics in recovery is concerned.  We chat about that blog post as well as her developmental trauma and eventual emotional sobriety. Her answers to our favorite healer questions lead to our discussion about her experiences with Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) or tapping.  These days, it’s impossible to close the show without asking about COVID19. "I hope this is teaching us how we kind of have this...I mean, it's about connection," she says. Although referring optimistically to our post-pandemic future, Veronica’s comment could just as easily apply to her affinity for AA.  BIO Veronica Valli has been joyously sober since May 2nd 2000. Originally from the UK, she is a psychotherapist, Emotional Freedom Technique Practitioner, Recovery Coach and Author of books ‘Why you drink and How to stop’ and ‘Get Sober Get Free.’ She is also the co-host of the Soberful Podcast. Veronica passionately believes that anyone can recover from an alcohol problem if they are given the right tools and support.  She has personally helped thousands of women transform their lives. Veronica believes that alcohol is only a symptom of the problem and that to recover, thrive and become the women we are truly meant to be, we need to embrace a process of change. Now based in the USA she works with women all over the world through her online programs and Facebook groups.  She is married and lives on Long Island with her husband and two sons.  For full show notes, guest information, and resources, visit: http://www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast *** Conversations with a Wounded Healer is a proud member of @mhnrnetwork. Let’s be friends! You can find me in the following places… Website: www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WoundedHealr/ https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartTherapy/ Instagram:  @headhearttherapy Twitter: @WoundedHealr @HeadHeart_Chi