
Drink Beer, Think Beer With John Holl
Drink Beer, Think Beer is a weekly conversation with brewers, growers, and other brewing industry professionals that explores the art, culture, and business of craft beer. Hosted by John Holl and recorded on location, this podcast gets to the bottom of every pint and offers insight into the dynamic world of beer.
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Jul 24, 2024 • 1h 6min
Bonus: Brewer to Brewer with Shaun O'Sullivan and Chuck Silva
Shaun O'Sullivan of 21st Amendment Brewery interviews Chuck Silva of Silva Brewing on this bonus episode of Brewer to Brewer.This Episode is Sponsored by:Firsd TeaFirsd Tea is a proud sponsor of the Brewer to Brewer podcast. Firsd Tea has been working with brewers on a wide range of teas and botanicals in popular and successful beers. Firsd Tea combines flexible order sizes with the experience you need to create innovative and successful craft brews. They get you the most direct-to-farm tea selection so you are working with flavorful and consistent products. You can find out more about Firsd Tea’s collaborations with brewers and tea ingredients by visiting firsdtea.com or email info@firsdtea.comHost: Shaun O'SullivanGuest: Chuck SilvaSponsor: Firsd Tea, All About BeerTags: Brewing, IPA, California, IngredientsThe following music was used for this media project:Music: Hip Hop Intro 06 by TaigaSoundProdFree download: https://filmmusic.io/song/9533-hip-hop-intro-06License (CC BY 4.0): https://filmmusic.io/standard-licenseArtist website: https://linktr.ee/taigasoundprod

Jul 17, 2024 • 34min
Beware the Grain Dust: A Conversation About Brewery Safety
A few weeks back Dave Haydysch of Lone Rider Beer began posting shots of himself on social media in the hospital after being admitted for breathing problems. It turns out it was exposure to malt dust that landed him there. He’s been part of the North Carolina Craft Beer Industry since 2010 when he got his start at Fullsteam Brewery in Durham, NC. In 2016 Dave was brought on to develop and lead brewing operations at Mason Jar Lager Company. He is now leading brewing ops at Lonerider Brewing in Raleigh and co-brewing with the team at Fortnight Brewing in Cary. Dave is an active member of the NC Brewers Guild and sits on the Education Committee for the Guild. On this episode he walks us through his career and the last several scary weeks.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.Host: John HollGuests: Dave HaydyschSponsors: All About BeerTags: Lager, Brewing, Safety, Malt, BrewingPhoto by John Holl

Jul 10, 2024 • 59min
Learning Life Lessons with Lew Bryson
Lew Bryson is on the show this week. He’s a long-time writer in the beer and whisky space, a voice of reason, and honestly just a force of good and positivity in an otherwise dreary world.I’ve been fortunate to call Bryson a friend for the better part of 20 years now. As a writer starting off in the beer space he was one of a few that was generous with his time, advice, and expertise. That’s not a unique to me experience. Lew has helped so many better understand drinks and culture. He’s kind and intelligent with the kind of resume that can only come with being among the very best. He was managing editor of Whisky Advocate magazine for 20 years. He is the author of Tasting Whiskey, and Whiskey Master Class, and writes a column for Craft Spirits Magazine. His work has appeared in countless publications, including a long stint in All About Beer. Bryson is a Kentucky Colonel, and a member of The Order of The Writ, an honorary association of the bourbon industry. He lives in central Pennsylvania, which is the topic of his podcast, “Seen Through A Glass." – a show you should tune into regularly. A few months back we were approached by Rich Colli of Varga Bar to do an event for Philly Beer Week. It was great fun, pouring and talking about whisky and beer. Before all that we sat down at Victory Brewing in Philly, to talk about writing, careers, home bars, and more. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.Host: John HollGuests: Lew BrysonSponsors: All About BeerTags: Lager, Whisky, Home Bars, BooksPhoto by John Holl

Jul 3, 2024 • 49min
Don Tse Nerds Out with Brewers About Decoction
Don Tse takes over hosting duties on this episode recorded live at Forever Lager. He talks with a trio of brewers about decoction mashing. This is a fun, entertaining, and engaging listen. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.Host: Don TseGuests: Zach Adams of Fox Farm, Eric Larkin of Cohesion Brewing, and Shawn Cooper of Halfway CrooksSponsors: All About BeerTags: Lager, Brewing, Malt, Mashing, DecoctionPhoto by John Holl

Jun 26, 2024 • 52min
Cool Brewers Doing Cool Things
This week is a conversation recorded at Notch Brewing, during the Forever Lager Festival. In a moment you’ll hear from the brewers Wild East Brewing, Working Draft, and Dovetail, a bunch of cool brewers doing cool things. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.Host: John HollGuests: Jenny Pfafflin of Dovetail Brewery, Clinton Lohman of Working Draft Beer Co., and Brett Taylor of Wild East Brewing.Sponsors: All About BeerTags: Lager, Brewing, Rice, Hazy IPA, FestivalPhoto by Andy Crouch

Jun 19, 2024 • 1h 7min
The History and Future of New England Beer
This is the second of several shows recorded live during Forever Lager, a festival held by Notch Brewing in Brighton, Massachusetts. Guest host Andy Crouch takes a deep dive into the culture of brewing in New England with a trio of respected, and well-known brewers: Tod Mott of Tributary Brewing, Will Meyers of Cambridge Brewing, and Paul Sayler of Zero Gravity Brewing. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.Host: Andy CrouchGuests: Tod Mott of Tributary Brewing, Will Meyers of Cambridge Brewing, and Paul Sayler of Zero Gravity BrewingSponsors: All About BeerTags: Lager, Brewing, Pilsner, Hazy IPA, FestivalPhoto by John Holl

Jun 12, 2024 • 43min
The Past, Present, and Future of Lager
A panel discussion on lagers recorded at the Forever Lager '24 Festival at Notch Brewing. Featuring Khris Johnson of Green Bench Brewing, Ben Howe of Otherlands Brewing, and Tom Clark of Berwick Brewing. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.Host: John HollGuests: Khris Johnson, Tom Clark, Ben HoweSponsors: All About BeerTags: Lager, Brewing, Pilsner, Hazy IPA, FestivalPhoto by Andy Crouch

Jun 5, 2024 • 41min
Camp Rauchbier: Pineapple Smoke Show with Wallenpaupack Brewing
An episode of Camp Rauchbier recorded at Wallenpaupack Brewing Co. with head brewer Logan Ackerley. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.Host: John HollGuest: Logan AckerleySponsors: All About BeerTags: Rauchbier, Poconos, Brewing, LagerPhoto by John Holl

May 29, 2024 • 51min
The Future of the Cicerone Certification Program
Jason Pratt and Dan Imdieke, co-owners of Cicerone, discuss beer education, misinformation avoidance, and engaging everyday drinkers. The conversation covers the program's evolution, community engagement, and the vital role of education in the beer industry.

May 22, 2024 • 52min
The 2024 Hop Report
If you listen to this show regularly, you’ve likely heard me talk about some of our other podcasts, like Brewer to Brewer and the All About Beer podcasts. If you search All About Beer on your favorite podcast platform, you’ll find them. You should also go to AllAboutBeer.com and read some of our recent articles, including an interview with a Massachusetts brewer, making beers through grief, and a hot take on hazy IPA from Andy Crouch. This week, I’m glad to bring you an episode of the All About Beer podcast with Em Sauter and Don Tse on how the 2024 hop crops are shaping up. That’s coming up next, and I’ll be back with an original episode of this show next week. In the meantime, to support our work in the beer space, please go visit patreon.com/allaboutbeer. We mean it when we say a few bucks go a long way, and there is an option for breweries and industry-affiliated companies to get involved. ---Right now around the world, the hops industry is in two modes: In the Northern Hemisphere, the hop farmers are prepping the poles for twine, making sure the bines that start to grow are the perfect plant to make the arduous climb up, and are preparing the farm for the busy season ahead.While in the Southern Hemisphere, harvest has been over for weeks, so the hop farmers are composting, cleaning the kilns, and are taking a well deserved break. On this episode we talk to two hop farmers, Eric Desmarais of CLS Farms in Yakima, Washington and Andrew Sutherland, hop farmer at Oast House Farms in Upper Moutere, New Zealand about what they are currently doing around their farms and the differences seasonality makes.This Episode is Sponsored by:Estrella GaliciaEstrella Galicia is an independent, family-owned brewery in northwest Spain, founded in 1906.Estrella Galicia Cerveza Especial is a world class lager, brewed using the finest Spanish malts, locally cultivated Galician hops and the best brewing practices, in a state-of-the-art facility in La Coruña . Recognized around the world for quality and exceptional character. Estrella Galicia is “A beer like no other.”Hosts: Don Tse and Em SauterGuests: Eric Desmarais and Andrew SutherlandSponsors: Estrella Galicia, All About BeerTags: Hops, Yakima Valley, New Zealand, FarmingThe following music was used for this media project:Music: Awesome Call by Kevin MacLeodFree download: https://filmmusic.io/song/3399-awesome-callLicense (CC BY 4.0): https://filmmusic.io/standard-licenseArtist website: https://incompetech.com