
Drink Beer, Think Beer With John Holl
Drink Beer, Think Beer is a weekly conversation with brewers, growers, and other brewing industry professionals that explores the art, culture, and business of craft beer. Hosted by John Holl and recorded on location, this podcast gets to the bottom of every pint and offers insight into the dynamic world of beer.
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May 21, 2025 • 51min
The State of Little Beer 2025
Every year at Little Beer editor John Holl gets to host a panel with great brewers about how they brew small and what the consumer appetite is like for low ABV offerings. This year was no exception. As the pints were flowing on the Duluth, GA town green he sat down with Natalie Rose Baldwin the brewmaster at the lager-focused Wayfinder Beer in Portland, Oregon; Shaun Yasaki the Brewmaster and owner of Noble Beast Brewing Company in beautiful Cleveland Ohio; and Brandon Plyler the beer educator at Edmund’s Oast Brewing in South Carolina. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.SponsorsStomp StickersStomp Stickers is a proud member of the Brewers Association that produces a wide variety of printed brewery products such as beerlabels, keg collars, coasters, beer boxes and much more. Stomp’s website features an easy-to-use design tool, low quantity orders, fast turn times, and free domestic shipping. Visit StompStickers.com and use code THINKBEER for 15% off your first order.The 5th IngredientIf you're running a brewery owner or operator, Beer30 by The 5th Ingredient is the ultimate command center. The most powerful brewery management software on the market, Beer30 handles the entire brewing workflow, from recipe development to production. Once your beer is brewed and ready, it seamlessly manages your inventory and streamlines your brewery's sales and distribution--all in the same easy-to-use platform. Beer30 lets you get back to the beer and the people that made you fall in love with this industry in the first place. And no other brewery management software gives you the ability to truly master your business and get the insights that you need to thrive in an increasingly competitive industry. Visit the5thingredient.com/AllAboutBeer today to learn more and receive 3 free months of Beer30.Host: John HollGuests: Natalie Rose Baldwin, Shaun Yasaki, and Brandon PlylerSponsors: All About Beer, Stomp Stickers, The 5th Ingredient, Tags: Brewing, ABV, EisbockPhoto: Don Tse

May 14, 2025 • 44min
The Intersection of Art and Beer
Em Sauter of the All About Beer Podcast and Pints and Panels moderates a conversation on beer and art. She is joined by Eric Tennant, founder head brewer at Benchtop Brewing, Brendon Boudwin. co-founder at Carbon Copy Brewing, Harrison Fahrer, co-owner and general manger of Cellarest Beer Project and Mark Goodwin- co-owner and director of fermentation at Cellarest Beer Project. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.SponsorsStomp StickersStomp Stickers is a proud member of the Brewers Association that produces a wide variety of printed brewery products such as beerlabels, keg collars, coasters, beer boxes and much more. Stomp’s website features an easy-to-use design tool, low quantity orders, fast turn times, and free domestic shipping. Visit StompStickers.com and use code THINKBEER for 15% off your first order.The 5th IngredientIf you're running a brewery owner or operator, Beer30 by The 5th Ingredient is the ultimate command center. The most powerful brewery management software on the market, Beer30 handles the entire brewing workflow, from recipe development to production. Once your beer is brewed and ready, it seamlessly manages your inventory and streamlines your brewery's sales and distribution--all in the same easy-to-use platform. Beer30 lets you get back to the beer and the people that made you fall in love with this industry in the first place. And no other brewery management software gives you the ability to truly master your business and get the insights that you need to thrive in an increasingly competitive industry. Visit the5thingredient.com/AllAboutBeer today to learn more and receive 3 free months of Beer30.Host: Em SauterGuests: Eric Tennant, Brendon Boudwin, Harrison Fahrer, and Mark GoodwinSponsors: All About Beer, Stomp Stickers, The 5th Ingredient, Tags: Brewing, Art, Labels, AI, Waggon WheelPhoto: John Holl

May 7, 2025 • 50min
May is Mild Month. A Trio of Brewers Celebrate English Ales.
May is mild month, so this week’s episode features a panel on traditional English styles recorded at Little Beer V, the great festival hosted by Good Word Brewing in Duluth, GA. It’s moderated by Don Tse and features a trio of knowledgeable brewers. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.SponsorsStomp StickersStomp Stickers is a proud member of the Brewers Association that produces a wide variety of printed brewery products such as beerlabels, keg collars, coasters, beer boxes and much more. Stomp’s website features an easy-to-use design tool, low quantity orders, fast turn times, and free domestic shipping. Visit StompStickers.com and use code THINKBEER for 15% off your first order.The 5th IngredientIf you're running a brewery owner or operator, Beer30 by The 5th Ingredient is the ultimate command center. The most powerful brewery management software on the market, Beer30 handles the entire brewing workflow, from recipe development to production. Once your beer is brewed and ready, it seamlessly manages your inventory and streamlines your brewery's sales and distribution--all in the same easy-to-use platform. Beer30 lets you get back to the beer and the people that made you fall in love with this industry in the first place. And no other brewery management software gives you the ability to truly master your business and get the insights that you need to thrive in an increasingly competitive industry. Visit the5thingredient.com/AllAboutBeer today to learn more and receive 3 free months of Beer30.

Apr 30, 2025 • 52min
Talking 30 Years of Allagash Brewing With Rob Tod
A conversation with Rob Tod of Allagash Brewing. This year the Portland, Maine brewery marks 30 years in business. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.SponsorsStomp StickersStomp Stickers is a proud member of the Brewers Association that produces a wide variety of printed brewery products such as beerlabels, keg collars, coasters, beer boxes and much more. Stomp’s website features an easy-to-use design tool, low quantity orders, fast turn times, and free domestic shipping. Visit StompStickers.com and use code THINKBEER for 15% off your first order.The 5th IngredientIf you're running a brewery owner or operator, Beer30 by The 5th Ingredient is the ultimate command center. The most powerful brewery management software on the market, Beer30 handles the entire brewing workflow, from recipe development to production. Once your beer is brewed and ready, it seamlessly manages your inventory and streamlines your brewery's sales and distribution--all in the same easy-to-use platform. Beer30 lets you get back to the beer and the people that made you fall in love with this industry in the first place. And no other brewery management software gives you the ability to truly master your business and get the insights that you need to thrive in an increasingly competitive industry. Visit the5thingredient.com/AllAboutBeer today to learn more and receive 3 free months of Beer30.Host: John HollGuest: Rob TodSponsors: All About Beer, Stomp Stickers, The 5th Ingredient, Tags: Brewing, Maine, White, Lager, Business, MetsPhoto: John Holl

Apr 23, 2025 • 1h 6min
The Best Places to Eat and Drink in Indianapolis
The Craft Brewers Conference kicks off in Indianapolis next week. If you’re headed to the circle city, you’re likely looking for bar, restaurant, and entertainment options. You’re in luck This week it’s a roundtable episode with three Hoosiers that know all the best spots. Even if you’re not going to the conference, the city is still one you should visit for beer.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.SponsorsStomp StickersStomp Stickers is a proud member of the Brewers Association that produces a wide variety of printed brewery products such as beerlabels, keg collars, coasters, beer boxes and much more. Stomp’s website features an easy-to-use design tool, low quantity orders, fast turn times, and free domestic shipping. Visit StompStickers.com and use code THINKBEER for 15% off your first order.The 5th IngredientIf you're running a brewery owner or operator, Beer30 by The 5th Ingredient is the ultimate command center. The most powerful brewery management software on the market, Beer30 handles the entire brewing workflow, from recipe development to production. Once your beer is brewed and ready, it seamlessly manages your inventory and streamlines your brewery's sales and distribution--all in the same easy-to-use platform. Beer30 lets you get back to the beer and the people that made you fall in love with this industry in the first place. And no other brewery management software gives you the ability to truly master your business and get the insights that you need to thrive in an increasingly competitive industry. Visit the5thingredient.com/AllAboutBeer today to learn more and receive 3 free months of Beer30.Visit IndyYou love craft beer. You’ll love Indy.The Indy Craft Pass is your free passport to 40+ of the city’s best breweries — Sun King, Metazoa, Upland, and so many more. Check in, earn points, score swag — yes, beer can actually win you prizes! Sip local, explore new taprooms, and make your beer run count. Grab your free Indy Craft Pass now at VisitIndy.com — and let the good beers roll! Host: John HollGuests: Julia Whitson, Eddie Chimi, John Allison Sponsors: All About Beer, Stomp Stickers, The 5th Ingredient, Visit IndyTags: Brewing, Taproom, Restaurants, Hospitality, IndianaPhoto: John Holl

Apr 16, 2025 • 50min
A Bright Spot in Beer: Sun King Brewery Brings the Flavor
A conversation with Dave Colt, the co-founder, CEO, and Brewmaster of Sun King Brewery in Indianapolis. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.SponsorsStomp StickersStomp Stickers is a proud member of the Brewers Association that produces a wide variety of printed brewery products such as beerlabels, keg collars, coasters, beer boxes and much more. Stomp’s website features an easy-to-use design tool, low quantity orders, fast turn times, and free domestic shipping. Visit StompStickers.com and use code THINKBEER for 15% off your first order.The 5th IngredientIf you're running a brewery owner or operator, Beer30 by The 5th Ingredient is the ultimate command center. The most powerful brewery management software on the market, Beer30 handles the entire brewing workflow, from recipe development to production. Once your beer is brewed and ready, it seamlessly manages your inventory and streamlines your brewery's sales and distribution--all in the same easy-to-use platform. Beer30 lets you get back to the beer and the people that made you fall in love with this industry in the first place. And no other brewery management software gives you the ability to truly master your business and get the insights that you need to thrive in an increasingly competitive industry. Visit the5thingredient.com/AllAboutBeer today to learn more and receive 3 free months of Beer30.Visit IndyYou love craft beer. You’ll love Indy.The Indy Craft Pass is your free passport to 40+ of the city’s best breweries — Sun King, Metazoa, Upland, and so many more. Check in, earn points, score swag — yes, beer can actually win you prizes! Sip local, explore new taprooms, and make your beer run count. Grab your free Indy Craft Pass now at VisitIndy.com — and let the good beers roll! Host: John HollGuest: Dave ColtSponsors: All About Beer, Stomp Stickers, The 5th Ingredient, Visit IndyTags: Brewing, Taproom, Hospitality, IndianaPhoto: John Holl

Apr 9, 2025 • 55min
Great Pints in a Memorable Setting Make Kismetic Beer Co. a Must Visit
We’re back in Indianapolis this week for a conversation with the couple behind Kismetic Beer Company - Nicole and Ryan Oesch. It’s a conversation on taproom aesthetics, beers that inspire, and community building. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.SponsorsStomp StickersStomp Stickers is a proud member of the Brewers Association that produces a wide variety of printed brewery products such as beerlabels, keg collars, coasters, beer boxes and much more. Stomp’s website features an easy-to-use design tool, low quantity orders, fast turn times, and free domestic shipping. Visit StompStickers.com and use code THINKBEER for 15% off your first order.The 5th IngredientIf you're running a brewery owner or operator, Beer30 by The 5th Ingredient is the ultimate command center. The most powerful brewery management software on the market, Beer30 handles the entire brewing workflow, from recipe development to production. Once your beer is brewed and ready, it seamlessly manages your inventory and streamlines your brewery's sales and distribution--all in the same easy-to-use platform. Beer30 lets you get back to the beer and the people that made you fall in love with this industry in the first place. And no other brewery management software gives you the ability to truly master your business and get the insights that you need to thrive in an increasingly competitive industry. Visit the5thingredient.com/AllAboutBeer today to learn more and receive 3 free months of Beer30.Visit IndyYou love craft beer. You’ll love Indy.The Indy Craft Pass is your free passport to 40+ of the city’s best breweries — Sun King, Metazoa, Upland, and so many more. Check in, earn points, score swag — yes, beer can actually win you prizes! Sip local, explore new taprooms, and make your beer run count. Grab your free Indy Craft Pass now at VisitIndy.com — and let the good beers roll! Host: John HollGuests: Nicole Oesch, Ryan OeschSponsors: All About Beer, Stomp Stickers, The 5th Ingredient, Visit IndyTags: Brewing, Taproom, Hospitality, IndianaPhoto: John Holl

Apr 2, 2025 • 49min
Modern Brewing in a Historic Indy Car Location
This week starts our road to Indianapolis and the upcoming Craft Brewers Conference. Indianapolis is a great city to visit and has a host of excellent breweries. One of them, Guggman Haus Brewing Co. joins the show to talk about about lagers, Indy Car racing, and building a family business. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.SponsorsStomp StickersStomp Stickers is a proud member of the Brewers Association that produces a wide variety of printed brewery products such as beerlabels, keg collars, coasters, beer boxes and much more. Stomp’s website features an easy-to-use design tool, low quantity orders, fast turn times, and free domestic shipping. Visit StompStickers.com and use code THINKBEER for 15% off your first order.The 5th IngredientIf you're running a brewery owner or operator, Beer30 by The 5th Ingredient is the ultimate command center. The most powerful brewery management software on the market, Beer30 handles the entire brewing workflow, from recipe development to production. Once your beer is brewed and ready, it seamlessly manages your inventory and streamlines your brewery's sales and distribution--all in the same easy-to-use platform. Beer30 lets you get back to the beer and the people that made you fall in love with this industry in the first place. And no other brewery management software gives you the ability to truly master your business and get the insights that you need to thrive in an increasingly competitive industry. Visit the5thingredient.com/AllAboutBeer today to learn more and receive 3 free months of Beer30.Visit IndyYou love craft beer. You’ll love Indy.The Indy Craft Pass is your free passport to 40+ of the city’s best breweries — Sun King, Metazoa, Upland, and so many more. Check in, earn points, score swag — yes, beer can actually win you prizes! Sip local, explore new taprooms, and make your beer run count. Grab your free Indy Craft Pass now at VisitIndy.com — and let the good beers roll! Host: John HollGuests: Abby Gorman and Derek GuggenbergerSponsors: All About Beer, Stomp Stickers, The 5th Ingredient, Visit IndyTags: Lager, Hospitality, Indiana, RacingPhoto: John Holl

Apr 1, 2025 • 52min
This Week in Rauchbier 2025
Welcome to This Week in Rauchbier for April 1, 2025. Our Rauchbier spotlight is a recording from Dovetail Brewery's annual Thank You For Smoking Event. It's a panel discussion that includes Bill Wesselink and Hagen Dost of Dovetail, Lane Fearing and Ryan Walker of Roaring Table, Greg Browne of Geneva Lager Works and Cesar Marron of Sketchbook Brewing Company. Then Bart Watson the President and CEO of the Brewers Association joins us to share the latest growth and success of Rauchbier in the marketplace. Enjoy these audio smoky delights. Thanks to Hagen and Bill for the inspiration to do this show. Hear the genesis of This Week in Rauchbier on episode 5 of Drink Beer, Think Beer.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer check out All About Beer.Host: John HollGuests: Bart Watson, Bill Wesselink, Hagen Dost, Lane Fearing, Ryan Walker, Greg Browne, and Cesar MarronTags: beer, craft beer, rauchbier, smoke, April Fool's DayMusic for this episode:NewsSting by Kevin MacLeodLink: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/4124-newsstingLicense: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

Mar 26, 2025 • 42min
How BarrieHaus Beer Co. Approaches Lagers and Hospitality
Brittany Barrie, co-owner of BarrieHaus Beer Co., and her husband, Jim Barrie, a passionate brewer, dive into the world of lager brewing. They share their unique journey of establishing a lager-focused brewery in Tampa, emphasizing the importance of community and education. The couple discusses the challenges they've faced, including navigating a pandemic and the intricacies of innovative brewing techniques. Listeners will appreciate their commitment to creating a hospitable environment and fostering a love for lager among their guests.