Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast (DtSR)

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue On this episode of the podcast I have the pleasure of hosting one of my long-time friends and industry titan - Dawn-Marie "Rie" Hutchinson. She's fresh off of a stint as a CISO, and talking about burnout in our industry and beyond. It's always a pleasure chatting with a friend, but this is an important topic so extra thanks for sharing her knowledge and insights with us; working in a globally diverse and multi-timezone workforce isn't easy, and the lessons are useful! Guest Dawn-Marie "Rie" Hutchinson LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/riehutch/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/CISO_Advantage  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue My pal Rock has ventured off on his own, so I wanted to catch up with him and get a quick update on the state of business, but also get a sense for what he's seeing in the industry as he's advising companies and helping them through compliance and regulatory challenges. Fascinating conversation, always fun stuff.   Guest Rock Lambros LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rocklambros/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/rocklambros Twitter: https://twitter.com/rockcyberllc  Website: https://www.rockcyber.com/  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prolgue Ladies and Gentlemen - we've hit ** 450 ** episodes. Let me just take a moment and reflect on the number of awesome guests, long hours recording and editing, and all of you phenomenal fans and listeners spreading the show content. Episode 450 feels like the right one to drop an episode with one of my real-life best friends, British sensation, and perennial entrepreneur Vikas Bhatia. We drop the gloves and go after the shitshow that is third party risk management in modern day enterprise. There are answers, but not if you don't address it head-on. Guest Vikas Bhatia LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vikasbhatiauk/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/vikasbhatiauk  Company URL: https://justprotect.co Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue In this episode, our legal eagle Shawn Tuma is back to discuss the Colonial Pipeline incident and whether it could be a watershed moment for US Cyber interests. As Toby Keith's "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue" plays in the background, we discuss what's happened, what could happen, and what it all means. Guest Shawn Tuma LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawnetuma/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/shawnetuma/ Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue You've GOT to hear this! This week on the podcast, I invited Martin Zizi of Aerendir, to talk about how we can use technology to not only distinguish between humans and non-humans (bots?) but also how to identify humans with staggering levels of precision - using commonly available and inexpensive components. He's got humor, an eclectic background, and great knowledge of the topic. Join us! Guest Martin Zizi Bio: Dr. Martin Zizi, MD-Ph.D, deep expertise in Molecular Biophysics and Neurosciences. He is one of the Founders & CEO of Aerendir Mobile Inc. He is the inventor of the NeuroPrint®, a cloudless AI-supported neural-tapping technology that can be used for authentication, identification, encryption, secure TLS, and bot segregation. Following his early years in the United States as a Scientist at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research where he worked on very advanced projects, he had a 20-years dual-track career, leading both academic and strategic projects as a top scientist in 3 fields and was also a Chief Scientific Officer for Belgian DoD. Martin was a sought-after advisor for the Belgian, the EU governments, international organizations (UN) and the industry. Aerendir Mobile Inc. is his second start-up. He was #2 at another start-up in the Medical technology vertical. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martinzizi/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/MartinZ_uncut Aerendir Mobile, Inc. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/aerendir-mobile-inc Twitter: https://twitter.com/AerendirMobile/  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue I don't know about you, but I have Jeremiah in a list on Twitter that allows me to read/think about some of the things he posts without the noise of the rest of Twitter. Should a company that develops software be held responsible when a bug they missed is exploited? Why do we "Agree" on all those click-through agreements which basically disavow any responsibility, anyway? What about security tools - if they scan and miss a flaw that's later exploited, shouldn't they be liable? These and other salient topics are discussed in fairly great detail without all the usual hype you hear around this topic. Please join us, this is a wonderful episode to listen to more than once. Guest Jeremiah Grossman LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grossmanjeremiah/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeremiahg Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue When in Austin, TX ... meet up with some friends right? This week I have the pleasure of sitting down in-person with Joel whom has been doing the "AppSec thing" for longer than many of you who are reading this have been in our profession. Joel knows a thing or two - so we discuss a thing or two. Philosophy, history, and some ugly truths come out in a conversation that can only happen in-person. Guest Joel Scambray LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joelscambray/ Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue I honestly am having a difficult time understanding how this show has gone so long, so many episodes, without sitting down with Dave Marcus 1:1. It hurts my brain. So I rectified this situation and here you are. Dave is one of the best humans in the industry, has a few truckloads of knowledge, and you could stand to learn something from him. Give this episode a shot. Warning: Dave drops a pair of F-bombs, and the show goes a little longer than most at >40 minutes. But it's well worth your time. I promise. Guest Dave Marcus Twitter: https://twitter.com/DaveMarcus LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcusdavid/  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue I'm honored to have Gary McGraw on with James and myself on this episode. I hadn't realized, but Gary retired from (what was formerly) Cigital - and by retired I mean "started something new". Gary sucks at retirement, but he's brilliant and has a lot to say about machine learning and its applications, so you should really listen in. No, "AI" isn't going to take over security - but it's work exploring the enormous contributions machine learning make to our lives and how they can be abused.   Guest Gary McGraw Twitter: https://twitter.com/noplasticshower Home: https://www.garymcgraw.com/  Boards he's on: https://www.garymcgraw.com/technology/business/  Info on Berryville Institute: https://berryvilleiml.com/  ARA for ML: https://berryvilleiml.com/results/ara.pdf  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue Chris Eng has been elbows deep in software security for a very long time. Times have changed over the last 20 years, as have tools, methods, and outcomes - what hasn't changed is how much security debt we keep amassing in our applications. How bad is the problem, and what can be done? Tune in and find out what we think. Guest Chris Eng LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-eng-ab51331/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/chriseng  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast