Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast (DtSR)

Prologue This week we have the pleasure of having Kevin Pope, one of Raf's close and long-time friends, and someone who's had one heck of a journey into and through our industry. Kevin is a veteran, a security-curious, and  cyber security professional - and he's also got some metered opinions too. We discuss hiring, staffing, and some of the issues we've collectively - and he specifically - have seen. Give this one a listen if you want to understand why we have the staffing problem in cyber-security that we do. Seriously.   Guest Kevin Pope LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/screamingbyte/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/screamingbyte  Have something to say? Let's hear it.Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Prologue Huge thanks to Prevailion's Karim Hijazi for taking the time with us to dissect this Gartner headline and article on "adversaries killing people using OT". As we expected, a sensationalist headline, followed by some mildly fluffy stuff, with a kernel of truth. Good discussion nonetheless, though, and I even learned a thing. Links The Gartner article referenced: https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2021-07-21-gartner-predicts-by-2025-cyber-attackers-will-have-we Guest Karim Hijazi LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karimhijazi/ Previous episode: http://ftwr.libsyn.com/dtsr-episode-426-tpa-winning-intelligence-collecting-zombies  Have something to say? Let's hear it.Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Prologue Frankly, we have no idea how we got through 450 episodes without interviewing Rich. No clue. Rich is a man of many talents including a trained responder for situations like we've been facing. He's also a cloud security specialist, and happens to do a half-dozen other things in his "spare time" too. In this episode we chat about what the pandemic has taught cyber security professionals, and what we'll come out the other side looking like. Warnings: Loki spoiler alert - oops, Rafal did this one Explicit language warning - Rich dropped some colorful language, deal with it Guest Rich Mogull LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richmogull/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/rmogull Have something to say? Let's hear it.Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Prologue It's been a long time, maybe forever, since James and I sat down and just chatted on the podcast. With all these amazing guests we have on the show it's easy to get caught up in the fun and forget to just have a two-person conversation every once in a while. With that in mind, we did it this week. We sat down, just the two of us, and chatted about the last few hundred episodes, the things that have stayed with us, and some things we wished would "get better" but alas...   Jump in, this is a special episode.Have something to say? Let's hear it.Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Prologue Sean Scranton joins Shawn Tuma and myself to talk about cyber insurance, specifically, as it is a massive topic of discussion lately. Building on top of the "does cyber insurance even pay out?" question and exploring if cyber insurance will actually change the industry (as Jeremiah hints in episode 447) we traverse a lot of related topics and answer some good questions. This is one of the most informative episodes on this specific topic I've found out there - without all the usual propaganda. Huge thank you to Sean and Shawn for agreeing to take time away from client work to speak with DtSR, and leave this information accessible to my listeners. Guests Sean Scranton LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sean-scranton-2b24948/  Shawn Tuma LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawnetuma/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/shawnetuma Have something to say? Let's hear it.Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Prologue Vulnerability Management has been a bit of a soapbox for me lately, and this episode brings in two experts on the topic directly from the enterprise to talk about how we prioritization, spreadsheets, and today's big vulnerability problem produces serious issues for enterprise professionals. The problem is as old as our profession, but in spite of the tools, testimonials, and hand-waving it's still a massive problem. Guests Britney Hommertzheim LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhommertzheim/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/bhommertzheim  Ace Moore Ace is incognito :) Have something to say? Let's hear it.Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Prologue On this episode of the podcast I have the pleasure of hosting one of my long-time friends and industry titan - Dawn-Marie "Rie" Hutchinson. She's fresh off of a stint as a CISO, and talking about burnout in our industry and beyond. It's always a pleasure chatting with a friend, but this is an important topic so extra thanks for sharing her knowledge and insights with us; working in a globally diverse and multi-timezone workforce isn't easy, and the lessons are useful! Guest Dawn-Marie "Rie" Hutchinson LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/riehutch/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/CISO_Advantage  Have something to say? Let's hear it.Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Prologue My pal Rock has ventured off on his own, so I wanted to catch up with him and get a quick update on the state of business, but also get a sense for what he's seeing in the industry as he's advising companies and helping them through compliance and regulatory challenges. Fascinating conversation, always fun stuff.   Guest Rock Lambros LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rocklambros/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/rocklambros Twitter: https://twitter.com/rockcyberllc  Website: https://www.rockcyber.com/  Have something to say? Let's hear it.Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Prolgue Ladies and Gentlemen - we've hit ** 450 ** episodes. Let me just take a moment and reflect on the number of awesome guests, long hours recording and editing, and all of you phenomenal fans and listeners spreading the show content. Episode 450 feels like the right one to drop an episode with one of my real-life best friends, British sensation, and perennial entrepreneur Vikas Bhatia. We drop the gloves and go after the shitshow that is third party risk management in modern day enterprise. There are answers, but not if you don't address it head-on. Guest Vikas Bhatia LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vikasbhatiauk/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/vikasbhatiauk  Company URL: https://justprotect.co Have something to say? Let's hear it.Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Prologue In this episode, our legal eagle Shawn Tuma is back to discuss the Colonial Pipeline incident and whether it could be a watershed moment for US Cyber interests. As Toby Keith's "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue" plays in the background, we discuss what's happened, what could happen, and what it all means. Guest Shawn Tuma LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawnetuma/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/shawnetuma/ Have something to say? Let's hear it.Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast