Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast (DtSR)

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue Karim Hijazi joins Rafal & James this week on the podcast to talk about some interesting trends and developments in the world of bad actors. It's an interesting update including some things I wasn't expecting to hear about how threat actors "hit back at" incident responders and threat hunters. This is a good conversation about the current threat landscape with an eye on the Russian hackers out there, and pretty good listening for anyone who wants an added dose of situational awareness. Links: Sneaky Hackers Reverse Defense Mitigations When Detected - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/sneaky-hackers-reverse-defense-mitigations-when-detected/  https://cybernews.com/editorial/russian-hacktivist-real-dangers/ Guest Karim Hijazi LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karimhijazi/  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue This is a very interesting episode... Gadi Evron joins James and me on this slightly technically difficult (the IPoCP - IP over Carrier Pigeon - was awful at times) episode to talk about the CISO role and the potential liabilities that lie within. Whether we're talking about the Joe Sullivan case (and we're not, or we try not to), or we're generalizing about employment and legal culpability - this show traverses a lot of land and it's all worth your time. Hopefully if I did an OK job, you won't notice all the edits :) Pre-reading Blog post from Gadi & Team 8: https://team8.vc/rethink/cyber/cisos-guide-to-legal-risks-and-liabilities/  The CISO guide: https://lp.team8.vc/cisosguide  Guest Gadi Evron LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gadievron/  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue It's always a pleasure when I can get some friends together and banter on about a topic we all find interesting. This week's topic was supposed to be released a bit later, but it couldn't wait. We had so much fun that I thought it needed publication right now. The premise is simple - have you looked around at how many security vendors there are and just asked yourself ... "Are we solving anything, or just adding to the mess?" That's what we did on this podcast. And yeah, we'd know because we have some life experience in this industry. Required Reading: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/security-tools-crash-coming-mark-curphey/  Guests Mark Curphey LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/curphey/  Jim Tiller LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jitiller/  Anton Chuvakin LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuvakin/  Vikas Bhatia LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vikasbhatiauk/  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue On this episode Rafal & James re-visit the concepts of machine learning, "artificial intelligence", and applicability to cyber security from Sven Krasser, Chief Scientist at CrowdStrike. Dr Krasser has been working on algorithms and computers analyzing massive amounts of data since the early 2000's so his analysis of today's "state of the art" and projections for the future are likely spot on. We have a little fun poking at industry buzzwords and make some real projections for where things are moving. If you're trying to sift through the hype and asking yourself is any of the "AI + ML" hype is real, right now, listen to this podcast. Some of your questions are likely answered here.   Guest Sven Krasser, Ph. D. - SVP & Chief Data Scientist at Crowdstrike LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/svenkrasser/ Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue This podcast has attempted to go down-market a few times, with some success in discussing the important issues that service providers and security vendors oddly ignore. If you're not in the enterprise, you get ignored by 90%+ of the security vendor space, that's just fact, and that means that you're left to fend for yourself at the worst scale possible. That's unfortunate, in the long run, because as all the vendors chase enterprise vendors, they at the same time lament the poor state of downmarket security. This podcast addresses something that may be able to help. A long-time colleague and friend has started a company and has a philosophy that we think y'all should hear about. I'm going to encourage you to give ContraForce a look -- not just because they're named after one of my favorite video games of all time -- but because they are working hard to solve a fundamental problem that we have in the security space...small companies have big problems too. Guest Stanislav Golubchik LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stan-golubchik/ Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/contraforce/ Company website: https://www.contraforce.com/  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue Are you sick of hearing "Zero Trust"? Do you, like us, also feel like it's a marketing buzzword, and then a cute concept that has a very difficult time in reality? Yeah, this episode is for you. David Fairman and Jason Clark, join Rafal to talk about what is essentially continuous signals evaluation, least privilege, and default deny with segmentation. All those things we love, and haven't done right. Guests Jason Clark LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonclarkfl/  David Fairman LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dfairman/  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue This week, we take it back to the basics, that's right, the basics, as we talk to Huxley Barbee about the need to identify and understand the assets on your network and in your various environments. A fascinating conversation with some history, some laughs, and some honest discussion a topic that's absolutely critical to cyber security. If you've not done so, go check out the conversation with Dell Technologies' John Scimone -- a CSO's perspective on fundamentals: https://ftwr.libsyn.com/dtsr-episode-513-cso-perspective-on-security-fundamentals which will give you some additional perspective on this issue. Guest Huxley Barbee LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jhbarbee/  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue Today's guest helps James and Rafal attempt to unravel the completely confusing space of "modern remote access". Some call it SASE, some SSE, some ZTE and some are completely mad and still use the term VPN. Who knows who's right, or why any one is preferred over the other ...except Carlos Salas from NordLayer. Listen in, and give it some thought. Maybe you'll understand this big mess a little better by the end of the episode. Guest Carlos Salas, Engineering Manager, NordLayer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlos-salas-b89480187/ Get a special offer from NordLayer, because you're a listener of DtSR: https://nordlayer.com/dtsr  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue It's been a while since we have done an episode on cyber insurance, in fact, the last episode was https://ftwr.libsyn.com/dtsr-episode-454-tpa-cyber-insurance-fact-vs-fiction back in July of 2021. So we revisit with the two experts plus a bonus guest for you. We look at the issues from the perspective of the broker, buyer, and lawyer -- a complete picture if I do say so myself! Story link in FastCompany: https://www.fastcompany.com/90781786/cyber-insurance-price-hikes-have-left-local-governments-reeling  LinkedIn Live video stream (on-demand): https://www.linkedin.com/video/event/urn:li:ugcPost:6980210814192402434/  Guests Shawn Tuma LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawnetuma/  Sean Scranton LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sean-scranton-2b24948/  Sebastian Avarvarei LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianavarvarei/  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast

Send the hosts a message - try it now!Prologue Our industry has been talking about XDR for a while now. Some people think it's the savior, some people think it's marketing garbage - and neither of them really understands what this "thing" named XDR is. Well, I figure we'll get some smart people on the podcast, people who live in this field and use this word a lot, and giddy up. This episode is slightly PG-13'ish ... because Anton has a potty mouth and I don't want to edit. Guests: Anton Chuvakin (Google) LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuvakin/  Jamie Moles (ExtraHop) LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamiemoles/  Bryan Lee (CrowdStrike) LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/obiwanblee/  Support the show>>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the show!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=YouTube home: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyo0dkKRvfVtWXjRxNISrhme1MgBj3C2U&si=scHDiTuLXSEQ9qHqLinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/down-the-security-rabbithole-podcast/X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/dtsr_podcast