Sustain Open Source Design

Panelists Richard Littauer | Eriol Fox | Memo Esparza | Georgia Bullen Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain Open Source Design! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source with design. Learn how we, as designers, interface with open source in a sustainable way, how we integrate into different communities, and how we as coders, work with other designers. On today’s episode, we wanted to have a reintroduction to us as a group and find out what’s going on with us and what we’re all doing these days since we don’t get to talk very much. Also, this is the last podcast of the 2022 season, and it’s truly been an exciting one for us. So, on this last episode, we’re going to talk a little bit about some past things we discussed before, current events of the day, stuff we’re working on, and then we’ll discuss some cool things we would like to happen on this podcast for the 2023 season which is only a few months away. Go ahead and download this episode now to find out more! [00:03:34] Each panelist shares things they’ve been thinking about lately to do with Open Source Design, things they’ve been working on a personal level around open source and their design efforts. Eriol starts by telling us what they’ve been doing to help out the Open Source Design Community with internships, fellowships, and supporting the mentoring process. [00:09:22] Eriol talks about the challenges they’ve had, ways people could help out, and where people can follow along. [00:12:20] Richard tells us his story, what he’s doing with Open Source Collective, and how he’s figuring out how to help open source projects to spend the money they got. [00:16:31] Georgia brings up topics for the future and talks about community development that is a design process, and how she thinks about what we could do more of is to take a challenge like Eriol talked about with designing an internship program and to make it a collaborative thinking space by talking with other people. [00:17:39] We find out what Memo is up to with his work, growing the design team at Open Collective, things he’s focusing on, and ideas with what he would like to see happen on the podcast next season. [00:20:50] Memo tells us some other cool stuff he’s working on. [00:23:58] Georgia brings up having future conversations to have about what it takes to serve the design industry with tools. [00:26:11] Memo shares his thoughts about expanding our circles further, and Georgia fills us in on everything that’s going on in her world at Simply Secure. [00:36:05] Find out where you can reach out to the discourse, podcast, and panelists to find out more and if you are interested in talking to us about ideas for this podcast. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design sosdpodcast@sustainoss.org Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter richard@oscollective.org Eriol Fox Twitter eriol@simplysecure.org Georgia Bullen Twitter georgia@simplysecure.org Memo Esparza Twitter memo@opencollective.com Outreachy Google Summer of Code Open Source Design Discourse Open Source Design-Open Collective Deciding on how to use your money-Open Source Collective Tech Policy Design Lab What’s next for ‘Simply Secure’? Part 1: Revisiting our name and identity What’s next for ‘Simply Secure’? Part 2: Refreshing our name and identity Usable Software Ecosystem Research Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound

Guest Chukwuka Ezeoke Panelists Richard Littauer | Django Skorupa Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain Open Source Design! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source with design. Learn how we, as designers, interface with open source in a sustainable way, how we integrate into different communities, and how we as coders, work with other designers. Our guest today is Chukwuka Ezeoke, who’s the Co-Founder and Head of Design at Spirē and was recently at the Open Source Community Africa (OSCA) 2022 event, where he was at the Sustain session, and facilitated the session on Design and wrote up the report on it. We’ll hear more about that event, along with another conference he put together called Untitled Design, which had over one thousand designers attending. He tells us more about Spirē, how he thinks the process could be improved with designers maintaining and contributing to open source, and he shares advice on how people from developing countries such as Nigeria, can get involved in projects that may be based in other parts of the world. Go ahead and download this episode now! [00:01:41] Chukwuka tells us about Spirē, and we hear about the OSCA event that happened recently, how many people were there and what Chukwuka focused on in the design session. [00:03:42] How did Chukwuka get into open source? [00:07:32] Chukwuka explains the community of designers called, Untitled Designers, and why he thinks so many people attended their first design conference in Nigeria. [00:10:18] We hear why Chukwuka thinks the turnout at the Sustain design session was so much lower than the other conference. [00:11:05] Django asks Chukwuka to talk about road blocks that he might have suffered and ways it could be improved for him in his field to discovering new projects. [00:12:41] When Chukwuka is looking at a project that he may be considering contributing to, he details what he looks for in documentation to improve his experience onboarding. [00:16:38] We find out about the thousand designers that came to Chukwuka’s conference, how he found them, how they found him, and what the main themes were. [00:19:46] If another conference was coming up what would Chukwuka say to designers who don’t know about open source and what would he say to get them involved? [00:20:57] We hear some thoughts on whether design and open source demands that you be an extrovert to do it well. [00:22:53] Chukwuka goes in depth about Spirē and how they plan to make it open source, and how they onboard designers. [00:24:33] Richard mentions the OSCA Sustain Africa 2022 Community Report and Chukwuka shares thoughts on how he thinks the process could be improved with designers maintaining and contributing to open source projects. Richard brings up a point about talking about a possible new strategy to talk about the goals of the project instead of mentioning design. [00:29:38] Chukwuka talks about how people from developing countries like Nigeria can get involved in projects which are based elsewhere. [00:35:12] Find out where you can follow Chukwuka on the internet. Quotes [00:08:13] “We are a community of designers in Africa building a sustainable design ecosystem by equipping designers with the tools, information, and access they need.” [00:19:22] “Open source design is not talked about every year.” [00:21:21] “You don’t need to be an extrovert to be in a part of any community or to contribute to open source.” [00:25:57] “Maybe some form of remuneration for contribution would help to encourage them to keep contributing to a project or to open source.” [00:26:10] “I think one of the reasons why people don’t want to get into open source is because they think that it’s pro bono work.” [00:26:38] “Sometimes people have two jobs, so making contributions flexible for designers would also help.” Spotlight [00:36:06] Django’s spotlight is Ursula K. Le Guin and the book, A Wizard of Earthsea. [00:36:41] Richard’s spotlight is Lin-Manuel Miranda and the movie, Encanto. [00:37:09] Chukwuku’s spotlight is a community called, Usable. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter Django Skorupa Twitter Chukwuka Ezeoke LinkedIn Chukwuka Ezeoke Twitter Spirē Untitled Design Conference 2022 OSCA Sustain Africa 2022 Community Report Naija Graphic Designers- NGDX Creative Design Conference 2021-Leslie Williams Leslie Williams website Abigail Makolo website Opensource A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula K. Le Guin Lin-Manuel Miranda website Encanto Usable Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Chukwuka Ezeoke.

Guest Björn Balazs Panelists Richard Littauer | Victory Brown | Memo Esparza Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain Open Source Design! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source with design. Learn how we, as designers, interface with open source in a sustainable way, how we integrate into different communities, and how we as coders, work with other designers. Our guest today is Björn Balazs joining us from Germany where he works for KDAB and has been a long-term designer in the open space. He also co-founded Open Usability, one of the first initiatives to support Free Software with UX knowledge and practice, which we’ll be talking about today. We learn that Björn is a psychologist and a privacy activist, and what got him involved in design and open source. Find out his perspective on where the limit of what design is, a project he’s working on called polypoly, and a mind-blowing book he recommends that summarizes problems that happened with privacy issues we have and the way we use technology. Go ahead and download this episode now to find out more! [00:02:08] Björn explains how he got involved in design and open source. [00:08:01] How does Björn see this perception of designers about themselves outside of the craft and does he think it’s hard for designers to consider themselves designers without having to touch any of the aesthetics? [00:12:08] We hear where Björn’s perspective is on where the limit of what design is. [00:14:09] Björn shares advice for projects that want to have better usability studies on their work before they think about redesigning it and how someone would go about implementing those. [00:16:59] Memo wonders how Björn combines wanting information from the user and respecting their privacy, and he talks about a book called, _The Age of Surveillance Capitalism _and an initiative he joined called, polypoly. [00:21:31] Richard wonders if Björn has other approaches that people can use to think about how to actively create a culture of practice around anti-surveillance capitalist work. [00:22:59] Does Björn have any tricks that he uses to have conversations about users and privacy with his colleagues? [00:28:04] Björn tells us about an active open source design group job board that anyone can go to look at jobs. [00:30:16] Victory asks Björn if she was new to open source and wanted to contribute, how would she approach that community or project maintainer saying I’ve been watching your project and I think I could help. [00:32:54] Find out where you can follow Björn online. Quotes [00:13:16] “Design is a process where we all participate, professionals or not.” [00:14:28] “Doing a usability study on your own as a designer is very dangerous and it’s very hard for involved people to get feedback unless their trained to do this.” [00:15:20] “What you actually need is a usability strategy, not just a usability study.” [00:17:29] “I really recommend the book by Shoshana Zuboff called, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism.” Spotlight [00:33:24] Memo’s spotlight is the tool, UI Colors. [00:33:50] Victory’s spotlight is the open source community, Aviyel. [00:34:18] Richard’s spotlight is the movie, Hold Fast by Moxie Marlinspike. [00:35:08] Björn’s spotlight is KDE. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter Memo Esparza Twitter Victory Brown Twitter Björn Balazs LinkedIn Sustain Open Source Design Podcast-Episode 23: Heiko Tietze of the Document Foundation on Mentoring Designers Open Usability The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power by Shoshana Zuboff polypoly UI Colors Hold Fast (Vimeo) Aviyel KDE Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Björn Balazs.

Guest Isabela Presedo-Floyd Panelists Eriol Fox | Georgia Bullen Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain Open Source Design! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source with design. Learn how we, as designers, interface with open source in a sustainable way, how we integrate into different communities, and how we as coders, work with other designers. We have with us today, Isabela Presedo-Floyd, who’s a UX/UI Designer at Quansight Labs. She helps build open source scientific software with an emphasis on improving accessibility of communities and their tools, which we will be discussing in depth with her today. We learn about some of the projects Isabela’s been working on such as Jupyter, Spyder, Napari, and Conda. Also, we find out how accessibility is the guiding compass for most of Isabela’s design things. Go ahead and download this episode now to learn more! [00:01:05] Isabela explains what she currently does, the different projects she works on, and the projects that she’s had to do the most creative problem solving for. [00:03:46] We hear more about the imaging in bio fields and what that means to Isabela as a designer. [00:06:51] The topic of transfer of knowledge is brought up and Isabela tells us how that’s made possible for her to contribute to these projects. [00:10:47] Eriol wonders if Isabela has found other ways to find that sense of collaboration, that sense of social within the design process when she doesn’t have that many designers working in the open source and science space. [00:14:50] Georgia wonders if Isabela uses any tools with people about how she validates design directions. [00:18:52] How would Isabela sustain this work if she had a magic wand? We also hear about a manifesto document called Slow-Science. [00:24:49] Isabela details how she’s worked with different kinds of accessibility needs in some of the complex tools, how designers within open source can pace themselves better to include them, and about the W3C and the alt text Decision Tree. [00:33:00] Find out where you can follow Isabela online. Quotes [00:09:26] “A lot of this is teaching people how to interact, teaching people the expectations they can transfer the knowledge, helping them transfer knowledge from other software.” [00:09:54] “I don’t really hear people discussing that maintainers to me are also users. They’re just users with a very different goal.” [00:13:13] “I feel that’s one of my main ways to collaborate because people are coming in showing me what work they’re doing and that gives me a better sense of what users are doing.” [00:21:14] “If that pace pressure wasn’t on, maybe we would all be able to take that time to do the thoughtful things.” [00:26:00] “I personally believe that accessibility is just good UX and is the guiding compass for most of my design things because it helps me make a lot of my choices.” [00:28:40] “I’ve been working with trying to come up with contributing events that give that people that structure so that I can leverage whatever their skills are, and they can leverage mine.” Spotlight [00:33:39] Eriol’s spotlights are OPEN AAC and Project Lima. [00:34:35] Isabela’s spotlight is The A11Y Project. [00:35:28] Georgia’s spotlight is a step forward in accessibility efforts with Figma. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter Eriol Fox Twitter Georgia Bullen Twitter Isabela Presedo-Floyd GitHub Isabela Presedo-Floyd Twitter Isabela Presedo-Floyd LinkedIn Quansight Labs Napari Jupyter Conda Spyder Slow-Science W3C Web Accessibility Initiative-An alt Decision Tree OPEN AAC The A11Y Project Project a11y Lima Figma-A step forward in our accessibility efforts UX Research & Design-pip.documentation v22.1.1 Pip UX Research & Design-GitHub SimplySecure Slack Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Isabela Presedo-Floyd.

Guest Clara García Viñola Panelists Richard Littauer | Memo Esparza Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain Open Source Design! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source with design. Learn how we, as designers, interface with open source in a sustainable way, how we integrate into different communities, and how we as coders, work with other designers. Today joining us as our guest is Clara García Viñola, who’s a Designer with Kaleidos. We’ll find out more about Clara’s job and what she does, she explains the design team and how they collaborate at Kaleidos, and she fills us in on building Taiga and Penpot. Also, Clara tells us about a design tool they are working on for everyone to use, not just designers. Go ahead and download this episode now to find out more! [00:01:50] Clara explains how she got the title of Full-Stop Designer and what she does. [00:04:29] With Clara’s creative uprising, we find out what aspects of her personal philosophy fits with what she does at Kaleidos. [00:05:59] We hear about the design team at Kaleidos. [00:07:28] How is the Kaleidos team organized with working in open source with Clara’s team? [00:10:56] Richard asks Clara if there’s any downsides to having all her designs open source, how she mitigates those downsides, and how she makes it easier. [00:12:35] We learn how it was decided that Penpot was the next idea to build after Taiga. [00:14:18] Clara explains some other alternatives they are working with. [00:16:33] Find out about the relationship Kaleidos has with their communities and the ways users can communicate with them. [00:18:27] Is there any way to be involved in open source if you’re not working at the best company? [00:23:59] Clara tells us what Kaleidos does to incorporate people who are members of the community, use the system, and may want to make changes if they find a bug. Also, she tells us how they enable community members to be owners of the product. [00:25:48] We hear about a design tool that is being worked on that everyone can use. [00:28:18] Find out where you can learn more about Kaleidos and follow Clara online. Quotes [00:07:20] “We design Penpot in Penpot.” [00:09:05] “We have a design system, and we work from it and it’s open!” [00:11:08] “Don’t feel that you need to do all that your users tell you to do.” [00:12:55] “We have in Kaleidos two weeks a year as ‘Innovation weeks.’ Penpot came from that.” [00:17:04] “The next step is for the design community to participate more and be more involved.” [00:18:36] “It’s so difficult because the system is built right now with proprietary tools.” [00:21:17] “We think that a design tool is a design tool that must be able to be used in any country, language, or speed connection of internet.” [00:26:55] “We don’t want to make a design tool for designers, we want to make a design tool for everyone.” Spotlight [00:29:20] Memo’s spotlight is The Creative Independent. [00:30:08] Richard’s spotlight is Julia Sanches awesome literature. [00:31:04] Clara’s spotlight is Isa Ludita. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter Memo Esparza Twitter Clara García Viñola Twitter Clara García Viñola LinkedIn Clara García Viñola (Kaleidos) Penpot Penpot Twitter Kaleidos-GitHub Kaleidos Open Source Twitter The Creative Independent Julia Sanches Website Isa Ludita Twitter Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Clara Garcia Viñola.

Guest Jessica Müller Panelists Django Skorupa | Memo Esparza | Eriol Fox Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain Open Source Design! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source with design. Learn how we, as designers, interface with open source in a sustainable way, how we integrate into different communities, and how we as coders, work with other designers. Today, we are joined by Jessica Müller, who’s the Senior UX Designer at Grafana Labs, where she leads the design efforts to make Grafana’s Alerting feature as user-friendly as possible. Our discussions today involve learning more about Grafana, what it means to design in an open source way for real, how Jessica got her start in open source, and what led her into working at Grafana. We also find out how Jessica encourages collaboration between the community team and UX designers, and if you’re just getting started in open source and want to find out how you can start to contribute, Jessica shares some helpful tips. Go ahead and download this episode now to learn more! [00:01:27] Jessica explains what it means to design in an open source way for real. [00:02:55] We hear how Jessica started thinking about open source, how it worked out for her in her creative career and led her into working at Grafana. [00:06:28] When Jessica is seeking a specific contribution, we learn how she goes about that with reaching out and if there’s a specific user base or an existing client base. [00:10:11] Eriol wonders if Jessica thinks that the users that pay for Grafana value design more because of how they pay, if she thinks they engage more with it because they pay, and if she’s noticed anything different between the open source folks and how they value design. [00:14:41] Memo asks if Jessica has a structured a way to plan new engagements with Grafana Labs, and she explains their culture of experimentation. [00:17:13] As a designer, how does Jessica go about encouraging the collaboration between the community team and the UX designers? [00:22:16] Jessica talks about the ratio of UX to engineer at Grafana and their approach to balance things out. [00:27:16] Jessica shares some things that have helped the engineers feel well supported when they tackle the UX problems. [00:29:12] Memo wonders how the open source way is for Grafana and if Jessica thinks every organization should have an open source way or if there should be more standardized contribution guidelines for designers. [00:32:00] If you’re a designer and want to get started in open source but you’re not sure how you can start to contribute, Jessica shares some suggestions on what might help, and she tells us what collaboration looked like when she started at Grafana. [00:42:18] Find out where you can follow Jessica online. Quotes [00:14:04] “How can we be part of the same spirit?” [00:23:04] “All of the engineers are doing UX work whether I like that or not!” [00:28:21] “Having a place to send people to show their stuff and talk to someone about it is already so helpful.” Spotlight [00:38:22] Jessica’s spotlight is Scribus. [00:39:40] Memo’s spotlight is humaaans. [00:40:27] Eriol’s spotlight is the COSCUP event. [00:41:34] Django’s spotlight is UI Colors. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter Eriol Fox Twitter Memo Esparza Twitter Django Skorupa Twitter Jessica Müller Twitter Jessica Müller email Jessica Müller Website Jessica Müller LinkedIn Grafana Labs Scribus humaaans COSCUP 2022 UI Colors Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Jessica Müller.

Guest Jenn Kotler Panelists Richard Littauer | Memo Esparza | Eriol Fox | Django Skorupa Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain Open Source Design! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source with design. Learn how we, as designers, interface with open source in a sustainable way, how we integrate into different communities, and how we as coders, work with other designers. Today, we have the wonderful Jenn Kotler joining us! Jenn is a User Experience Designer at the Mikulski Archive for Space Telescopes (MAST), where she designs data search and analysis tools for telescope missions including Webb, Hubble, TESS, and Kepler, all available for free use. Jenn fills us on what she does at MAST, the different types of data they look at, and how she uses this data in her job to make it accessible so everyone can do amazing science. We learn more about sonification, Jenn’s thoughts of her ideal scenario of bringing the design community into the open source space, and something that’s difficult about being a designer in a space where there’s not a lot of other designers. Go ahead and download this episode now! [00:02:28] Jenn fills us on what she does at MAST. [00:04:19] We learn how many people work in the archive with Jenn and how many people work at the Institute that have access to use the archive. [00:05:36] Jenn explains about the different types of data they look at and how she facilitates that as a User Experience Designer. [00:08:27] Find out how Jenn ended up working at MAST and in the science field, and how she focuses on the data after it’s gone through a pipeline and a lot of adjustments have already been done to it. [00:12:45] We hear a great explanation of what sonification is and then Jenn talks about her experience with it, and there’s an actual audio of a sonification she plays. [00:17:16] If they are using sound and light in terms of images, Richard wonders if Jen could combine them and have people play a video game where they walk through a world of seeing different visualizations. [00:18:44] Jenn breaks down accessibility and how they want this data to be accessible and approachable to everyone, since it’s free. [00:23:44] Django wonders how Jenn balances accessibility in the effort of producing a clean user experience for the max number of people. She explains the methods they’ve been using. [00:27:41] Eriol asks Jenn to talk about her ideal scenario of bringing the design community into the open source space where she works, and whether design science fiction comes into that space. [00:31:18] We find out what’s difficult for Jenn right now and what she wishes she could change for the better. [00:37:25] Find out where you can follow Jenn on the web. Quotes [00:10:49] “If there’s a topic or subject you’re interested in it’s really great to explore and find the place that needs a designer but doesn’t even know it.” [00:22:10] “If you’re able to use a computer there isn’t a great reason you shouldn’t be able to do astronomy if you have an interest in it.” [00:29:30] “That was the thing that excited me about sonification initially, this idea of there’s so much value here and just an art, forget science, there’s a lot of cool things that could be made with this.” [00:36:28] “In the past I struggled with feeling like I used up all this creative energy on something that is so boring and then I had nothing left for myself.” Spotlight [00:38:05] Eriol’s spotlight is a Coordinate Tool for No Man’s Sky called NMSCoordinates. [00:38:44] Memo’s spotlight is a book that changed his life called, Nightfall. [00:39:14] Richard’s spotlight is Tehching Hsieh, who’s a Performance Artist. [00:39:37] Django’s spotlights are an open source project called Open Foundry and Compositions 1960. [00:41:02] Jenn’s spotlight is a book she read called, Sitting Pretty and her favorite font, Atkinson Hyperlegible. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter Eriol Fox Twitter Memo Esparza Twitter Django Skorupa Twitter Astronify: Open Source Python Sonification Library Jennifer Kotler Website Mikulski Archive for Space Telescopes (MAST) Space Telescope Science Institute Twitter MAST Twitter Space Telescope Science Institute Space Telescope Science Institute-Public Outreach NMSCoordinates Nightfall by Isaac Asimov and Robert Silverberg Tehching Hsieh Open Foundry Compositions 1960 Sitting Pretty by Rebekah Taussig Atkinson Hyperlegible Font Sonification explanations-Flaring Stars Sonification explanations Create With Light-Student Sonification art Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Jenn Kotler.

Guest Aaron Collier Panelists Richard Littauer | Django Skorupa Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain Open Source Design! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source with design. Learn how we, as designers, interface with open source in a sustainable way, how we integrate into different communities, and how we as coders, work with other designers. Today, we are very excited to have as our guest, Aaron Collier, who is a Technical Writer at Orbit, which is the design system for Kiwi.com. Aaron fills us in on what he does at Orbit, we’ll learn all about the process of writing documentation and designs systems, and how they get their contributors. He also explains why he doesn’t identify as a designer and he shares some struggles he’s had with the work that he does and the importance of having empathy. Go ahead and download this episode now to learn more! [00:01:46] Aaron tells us what he does at Orbit and how it started. [00:05:05] How does Aaron decide what the upper limits of abstraction are for a design system and how does he decide what’s included and what’s not included? [00:06:35] We learn more about how the process of writing documentation and helping other people know how decisions were made works on a design system. [00:09:00] Find out what koumpounophobia is and how Aaron makes it simpler and less scary for people to learn. [00:11:19] In regard to logic trees and technical writing and documentation, Django wonders how Aaron decides how much justification is needed. [00:13:47] Aaron tells us what’s hard for him about his work and what he struggles with. [00:17:41] How does Orbit get all their contributors? [00:20:08] Richard wonders if why Orbit doesn’t have a community manager. [00:22:33] We learn how Aaron goes about deciding who to attract to their project. [00:25:46] Aaron explains why he doesn’t identify as a designer. [00:30:04] How does Aaron interface with a larger ecosystem given what he’s doing to make sure the doc writing is more sustainable? [00:33:27] Aaron tells us about contributing back to open source tools which have been used in building up his template and if he thinks about design contributions as being a unit of currency within the larger open source design system. [00:37:17] Find out where you can follow Aaron online. Quotes [00:14:51] “It’s about having empathy for the situation that the other person is in when they’re reading your documentation.” Spotlight [00:37:58] Django’s spotlight is twin brothers, Martin and Carl Bridge, who were heads of the art department at his high school. [00:38:49] Richard’s spotlights are Ms. Hojnicki, Orbit.love, and OrbitDB. [00:39:33] Aaron’s spotlights are a previous high school Latin teacher, and a tool called Vale. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter Django Skorupa Twitter Aaron Collier Website Aaron Collier LinkedIn Orbit.Kiwi FOSDEM 2022-Documenting a Design System-Lessons learned from open sourcing the Orbit docs with Aaron Collier (video) The Bridge Brothers Orbit OrbitDB Vale-GitHub Vale Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Aaron Collier.

Guest Lozana Rossenova Panelists Eriol Fox | Django Skorupa | Memo Esparza Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain Open Source Design! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source with design. Learn how we, as designers, interface with open source in a sustainable way, how we integrate into different communities, and how we as coders, work with other designers. Today, we have a fantastic guest joining us, Lozana Rossenova, who is a digital designer and researcher, as well as an Associate Researcher at the Open Science Lab. Lozana takes on her journey through her background in digital design, her role at the Open Science Lab and Wikibase. Since she’s a designer as well as a researcher, she shares some great examples of how she navigated through these roles within the projects she was a part of. Lozana details the importance of advocating to other designers, why a more holistic approach to design education is important, and how we need to push institutions to get involved with their users. Go ahead and download this episode to find out much more! [00:02:30] Lozana tells us her background, what she’s researching, and the work she’s doing. [00:04:12] Since Lozana is involved in a lot of different organizations and initiatives, she explains how she balances it all. [00:07:20] We hear some examples of situations Lozana finds herself in as a designer/researcher. [00:12:15] How does Lozana go about advocating for design, better design, and design best practices? [00:18:32] Memo wonders how we should leap forward with how we look at designers and if there should be more focus on education. [00:25:52] Lozana explains how we can make the work visible that institutions do through open source. [00:36:05] Find out where you can follow Lozana and her work online. Quotes [00:19:57] “Detail orientation and design and really focusing on information and structuring information is what guides my activities.” [00:20:23] “Community management is where I see the next level of combining design for open source and project management.” [00:22:36] “We can’t be completely stuck in our detail level orientation of beautiful layouts.” [00:23:41] “My trifecta is change on the level of design, change on the level of education, but also change how institutions work.” [00:27:00] “Publishing makes a difference, even if no one reads it.” [00:29:30] “Corporations can learn from institutions.” Spotlight [00:30:48] Memo’s spotlight is a project called Jamstack. [00:31:18] Eriol’s spotlight is a tool called pose-search. [00:32:12] Django’s spotlight is the Open Work in Academia Summit. [00:33:13] Lozano’s spotlights are OpenRefine, Webrecorder, and SUCHO. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter Eriol Fox Twitter Memo Esparza Twitter Django Skorupa Twitter Lozana Rossenova LinkedIn Lozana Rossenova Website Lozana Rossenova Twitter post.lurk.org (@lozross@post.lurk.org) Wikibase RHIZOME Open Science Lab Jamstack pose-search Open Work in Academia Summit OpenRefine OpenRefine-GitHub Webrecorder SUCHO (Saving Ukrainian Cultural Heritage Online) Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Lozana Rossenova.

Guest Taís Lessa Panelists Richard Littauer | Memo Esparza | Eriol Fox Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain Open Source Design! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source with design. Learn how we, as designers, interface with open source in a sustainable way, how we integrate into different communities, and how we as coders, work with other designers. On this episode, we are excited to have as our guest, Taís Lessa, who is a Product Design Lead at Mozilla Corporation, working with the Pocket team. Our discussion today focuses on inclusion in the workplace for immigrants and newcomers. We also learn more about how Taís grew as a designer, being a newcomer in another country coming from Brazil, not feeling like her contributions were valued, and how she found the right fit for herself at Mozilla and the Pocket team she works with. Go ahead and download this episode now to find out more! [00:01:36] Taís tells us her background, what she finds most important in her work, what she does at Mozilla, and the team she’s working with. [00:04:53] We find out how Taís ended up on the Pocket team and why she feels it’s the best place for her work right now. [00:06:41] Taís details how she grew as a designer, how she grew as a newcomer in Canada coming from Brazil, and how these two paths weaved together. [00:10:02] We hear what it was like for Taís, as well as the team at Mozilla, the openness and open source space around inclusion, across borders, across identities, and whether she found anything that was unique in that space. [00:17:43] Taís explains where she thinks being a designer has been, if it’s something that she’s had to become in some way because of who she is, and the emotional experience she has being a designer. [00:23:47] Memo wonders how Taís thinks we can foster an environment to encourage people to be more themselves in open source and how they can encourage others to be themselves with a difference of opinions. [00:30:50] Eriol brings up the Hello Kitty project Taís talked about and how it’s such a great project to express creativity in open source. [00:33:03] Richard wonders what tools Taís has in her toolbox for finding energy when it’s gone. [00:34:53] Find out where you can follow Taís online. Quotes [00:07:41] “What excites me, what makes my eyes bright, is design.” [00:13:14] “My contributions are valued from where I am from.” [00:14:28] “The real value came when I started to be myself.” [00:26:15] “As a designer, part of my job is to design the thing, but this is a little part. The big part is how to convince others this is the right thing to do.” [00:29:15] “I use my strength as a designer to show the value of my ideas and convince people.” Spotlight [00:36:07] Richard’s spotlights is the book Ecce Romani, which is how he learned Latin. [00:36:53] Eriol’s spotlight is a repository called Welcome to the Adulting is Hard Project. [00:37:34] Memo’s spotlight is a video chat app called Chatmosphere. [00:38:00] Taís’s spotlight is Power Save Mode Discord Community. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter Eriol Fox Twitter Memo Esparza Twitter Taís Lessa Website Taís Lessa Twitter Taís Lessa LinkedIn Mozilla Pocket The most important skill for a designer working abroad by Taís Lessa About “moving fast and breaking things”- a designer’s perspective by Taís Lessa Ecce Romani Seneca Welcome to the Adulting is Hard Project-GitHub Chatmosphere Power Save Mode Discord Community Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Tais Lessa.