Sustain Open Source Design

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Sep 24, 2024 • 27min

Episode 53: Tofus Wang on g0v (GovZero)

Guest Terry “Tofus” Wang Panelist Django Skorupa Show Notes In this episode of Sustain Open Source Design, Django Skorupa is joined by guest Tofus Wang, a UX designer and open source enthusiast from Taipei. Tofus shares his journey into open source, which began during his high school years. Currently, he is a junior UX designer at National Taiwan University, where he also studies economics. Tofus discusses the g0v (GovZero) hackathons, the challenges and opportunities of contributing to open source as a designer, and how non-coders contribute in meaningful ways. Press download now to hear more! [00:06:11] Django and Tofus discuss how contributions in open source design are often harder to track on platforms like GitHub, but they are equally important, and many g0v participants are not coders but contribute in significant ways. He also explains using HackMD, a note taking platform. [00:12:13] Tofus reflects on his contributions as a high school student, participating in g0v School001 project, which promotes hackathons and the spirit of civic hacking to high school students in Taiwan. [00:14:53] Tofus discusses his participation in Da0, a study group exploring decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs). Although not fully developed, the project brought together people interested in blockchain and its potential applications for grassroots communities. [00:17:30] Tofus highlights the vital role of design in open source. He worked on visual design projects for multiple initiatives, including creating an interactive UI for Da0’s reputation accounting system. [00:19:54] Django and Tofus dive into projects such as the Plurality Book, an open source book exploring the future of democracy and technology. Tofus worked on the visual design for the book and helped refine its logo. Quotes [00:22:39] “The fundamental technology of digital technology is actually the collaborations of the people.” Spotlight [00:23:26] Tofus’s spotlight is a project he’s working on called, Open 165, a sub-project under Cofacts. Links Open Source Design X Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Richard Littauer Socials Django Skorupa Website Terry Wang LinkedIn Terry Wang Website HackMD Sch001 g0v Plurality Docs Plurality: The Future of Collaborative Technology and Democracy by E. Glen Weyl and Audrey Tang Open165 Anti-Fraud Information Site Cofacts Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Terry Wang.
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Jul 9, 2024 • 34min

Episode 52: Milan Guenther on Open Source Enterprise Design

Guest Milan Guenther Panelists Richard Littauer | Memo Esparza Show Notes In this episode of Sustain Open Source Design, host Richard Littauer and co-host Memo Esparza are joined by Milan Guenther, President of the Intersection Group and co-founder of Enterprise Design Associates. Milan discusses his career, which spans working with major enterprises like Google and Toyota, and his focus on transforming organizations through enterprise design. The conversation delves into the intricacies of enterprise design, the role of open-source tools like 'Edgy,' and the challenges and successes of applying these concepts in both large and small teams. Milan also highlights the importance of visualizing and uncovering enterprise misalignments and touches on the intersection of various design disciplines. Additionally, the upcoming conference in Rome is discussed, promising further insights into the world of enterprise design. Press download to hear more! [00:01:57] Milan mentions his past venture in designing a patented innovation for flight decks, his current work with enterprises like Google, SAP, and Toyota, and his entry into consultancy with friends in 2009. [00:03:29] Milan shares his perspective on design, emphasizing the role of creativity and making improvements through observing and modeling. [00:04:25] Memo asks Milan about his proximity to the term “business design” and how his work might be diagrammatically represented, alongside discussing the dynamics between small and large teams within enterprises. Milan explains the concept of business design, enterprise design, and their differences, and mentions “Team Topologies” as a useful framework for organizational design. [00:10:09] Memo inquires about successful patterns in team dynamics, whether structured methods like Scrum or more flexible approaches yield better outcomes in different contexts. Milan responds, emphasizing the effectiveness of smaller, less structured teams in software development. [00:12:36] Richard mentions Milan’s book on design patterns in enterprises and asks about the Edgy project. He explains the origins of Edgy, starting with a book titled “Intersection,” which was an introduction to designing better enterprises. Edgy was make open source hosted on a wiki, and licensed under Creative Commons to ensure it was accessible for both personal and commercial use. [00:16:02] In response to Memo’s inquiry about the artifacts used in their processes, Milan describes diverse tools utilized depending on the user’s background and needs. [00:18:14] Richard is curious about the adoption and contribution to Edgy and Milan shares that while there’s been significant use among consultants and some large organizations, there are also instances of failed trials. [00:20:19] Discussing smaller, open-source minded projects, Milan mentions the integration of Edgy with the Archi tool, an open source architecture modelling tool. [00:23:33] Milan clarifies that the Rome event takes place in Rome, Italy in September, marking the 10th anniversary of their conference on enterprise design. He describes the event as a gathering for discussing and sharing ideas about enterprise design. [00:24:56] Discussing the sustainability of the Edgy project, Milan explains that while the project itself doesn’t generate direct revenue, it supports their consultancy through connections, collaborations, and the adoption of their work. He provides insights into how the non-profit association supporting Edgy operates. [00:28:07] Find out where you can learn more about Milan, Edgy, and the conference. Spotlight [00:29:55] Memo’s spotlight is Off-Grid, publishing design stories. [00:30:33] Richard’s spotlight is Leopold Benches. [00:31:19] Milan’s spotlight is Archi, ArchiMate modelling tool. Links Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse podcast@sustainoss.org (email) Richard Littauer Socials Memo Esparza Twitter milan@eda.cx (Milan’s email) Enterprise Design Associates Enterprise Design with Edgy Intersection Group Team Topologies Enterprise Design Patterns (book) Intersection by Milan Guenther Intersection 24 in Rome : September 18-20 Off-Grid Build a Leopold Bench-Iowa Department of Natural Resources Archi Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Milan Guenther.
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Mar 5, 2024 • 14min

Episode 51: Stephen Okonkwo on OSCA, UX, and Open Source Design Leadership

Guest Stephen Okonkwo Panelist Richard Littauer Show Notes In this episode of Sustain Open Source Design, the OSCA 2023 series, host Richard welcomes Steve Okonkwo, a multidisciplinary designer who actively contributes to the Open Source Community Africa (OSCA). Steve sheds light on his role in enhancing user experience through thoughtful design, particularly for OSCA, and shares his dedication to continue elevating the design team's work. Richard and Steve discuss the Sustain sub-event, the importance of design in open source, and the intricacies of conference planning around open source products. Steve also touches on the significance of research, the need for transparency in open source communities, and his personal journey and future aspirations within the design landscape. Press download now to hear more! [00:01:12] Steve tells us about his career as a multidisciplinary designer and his work in open source. He discusses his focus on improving user experience through design, including website and brand identity design for OSCA. [00:02:03] Richard compliments the OSCA’s branding, particularly the orange logos, and Steve mentions that OSCA has been his primary focus, and he plans to continue supporting their design team. [00:03:02] There was a large attendance at the last OSCAFest and a Sustain sub-event. Steve tells us he was the design facilitator for the design side of Sustain. [00:03:31] Steve highlights key points from OSCA discussions, including the growing opportunities for designers in open source and the importance of contributing to project aesthetics. [00:05:22] The conversation shifts to the iterative nature of web design and user experience, and Steve emphasizes the importance of research and testing in design updates to prevent overwhelming users. [00:06:29] Richard discusses the uniqueness of working with open source communities and the need for transparency. Steve talks about his approach to working with open source, emphasizing transparency, communications, and commitment to quality. [00:08:00] Richard asks about building a conference around open source products, and Steve shares insights from OSCAFest, including showcasing new tools like Penpot. [00:10:06] Richard inquires about challenges in designing the OSCA festival, and Steven mentions issues with physical artwork and space design. [00:10:53] What’s next for Steve? He talks about his current role as a multidisciplinary designer in Spokane, Washington, and his aspirations in open source design. [00:11:57] Find out where you can find out more about Steve’s work on the web. Quotes [00:05:11] “They always say in the tech industry, the web is never done.” [00:05:37] “Research is a very important part of design.” Links Open Source Design X/Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source X/Twitter podcast@sustainoss.org SustainOSS Mastodon Open Collective-SustainOSS (Contribute) Richard Littauer Mastodon Richard Littauer Instagram Steve Okonkwo Twitter Stephen Okonkwo LinkedIn Steve Okonkwo Website Penpot OSCA OSCA Festival Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Stephen Okonkwo.
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Sep 12, 2023 • 36min

Episode 50: Veethika Mishra of GitLab on designers and barriers to open source

Veethika Mishra of GitLab shares insights on transitioning from closed to open source design, community engagement at GitLab, challenges in integrating external designers, and the power of open source contributions. The episode explores her career path, design process at GitLab, and the importance of user community participation.
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Aug 29, 2023 • 43min

Episode 49: Penpot Fest with Jan C. Borchardt, Elizabet Oliveira & Peter Hanekamp

Guests Jan C. Borchardt | Elizabet Oliveira | Peter Hanekamp Panelists Pia Mancini | Eriol Fox | Victory Brown | Perrie Ojemeh Show Notes Welcome to Sustain Open Source Design, broadcasting live from Penpot Fest in Barcelona, Spain. Today, Eriol, Pia, Victory, and Perrie are hosting, and they have three guests joining them. Our first guest is Jan C. Borchardt, co-founder and design lead at Nextcloud. Jan provides insights into five key strategies for open source design at Nextcloud, highlighting the challenges and rewarding aspects of facilitating easy software user onboarding. The discussion takes us to Jan’s involvement in connecting designers and projects in need of design through a job board, diversity initiatives, and experiences in global conferences. Our next guest is Elizabet Oliveira, Senior Product Designer at Xata, who shares her diverse roles and experiences. She provides insights into design systems and their necessity in startups, and her transition from a developer to a designer. Our final guest, we engage with Peter Hanekamp from Kaleidos, discussing open source strategy. The conversation delves into audience targeting, integration plans for Penpot and Taiga, the benefits of open source for designers, and their strategy for maximizing value creation and facilitating community growth. Hit download to hear more! Jan: [00:01:22] Our first guest is Jan Borchardt, co-founder, and design lead at Nextcloud, a co-founder of open source design, and an active member in open source diversity communities. He tells us about his talk which focused on five essential open source design strategies used at Nextcloud, and he touches on one of the design challenges. [00:02:40] There’s a discussion on the role of designers as strategists, considering design beyond the visual aspect and towards strategy and problem solving. [00:03:53] Jan discusses his involvement in the open source design community, connecting designers and projects in need of design through a job board. [00:05:32] He tells us there are plans for the design community to work on updating the outdated website and provide more value to its users. [00:07:04] Jan also works on a diversity initiative, reaching out to new communities outside the European sphere, He also emphasizes the value of participating in conferences in regions outside Europe and the US, such as FOSSASIA and OSCA FEST to gain new perspectives and ideas. [00:08:57] The discussion moves to the importance of designers attending various events both developer and design focused, to broaden their perspectives and influence. Elizabet: [00:11:57] Our next guest is Elizabet Oliveira, Senior Product Designer at Xata, and she tells us what she does there and her experiences with design and open source. [00:14:03] Eriol brings up design systems, and Elizabet gives insight into her experiences with design systems. She also explains her frustrations with design systems with her role mainly involved with fixing bugs, dealing with feature requests, or updating old components. [00:16:37] Elizabet mentions using Chakra UI and shares her prediction that Xata might either move away from their current design system, Chakra UI, or customize it extensively. [00:19:21] Elizabet emphasizes the importance of exploring variety and creativity as a designer, and she tells us about some personal projects she created, like React Kawaii and Cassette Tape. [00:21:36] Going back to Elizabet’s journey, she started as a developer, creating her music promotion materials, and later transitioned to design because she liked it more. [00:23:20] We hear how Elizabet stays connected with the design community. Peter: [00:27:18] Our final guest is Peter Hanekamp, from Kaleidos, the company that works on Penpot and Tyga. He talks about growth being not just about having a great product but also about the aspects surrounding it. [00:28:59] Eriol brings up the audience for Penpot and Taiga and asks Peter to explain the challenges faced in reaching their target audiences for both these tools. He also talks about the audience for Taiga. [00:30:54] Peter tells us while there are no plans to merge Penpot and Taiga, they’re looking into building integrations between the two. [00:32:19] Peter shares Kaleidos’ journey from a team of developers to including more designers, emphasizing the difficulty of creating a good interaction between these two roles, and he talks about the benefits of open source for designers. [00:34:41] We hear Peter defining growth for Penpot and Kaleidos as getting more users, getting more active users, and getting more people being fanatics of their tools. He shares his personal journey in Kaleidos and their strategy moving forward which involves maximizing value creation and facilitating community growth, which they believe that power user functionality should always be free. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter Pia Mancini Twitter Eriol Fox Twitter Perrie Ojemeh Twitter Victory Brown Twitter Penpot Fest Jan C. Borchardt Twitter Jan C. Borchardt Mastodon Jan C. Borchardt Website Nextcloud Elizabet Oliveira Website Xata React Kawaii Cassette Tape Peter Hanekamp LinkedIn Kaleidos Taiga Penpot Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guests: Elizabet Oliveira, Jan C. Borchardt, and Peter Hanekamp.
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Aug 15, 2023 • 39min

Episode 48: Penpot Fest with Dima Davidoff, Madeline Peck & Michal Malewicz

Guests Dima Davidoff | Madeline Peck | Michal Malewicz Panelists Pia Mancini | Eriol Fox | Perrie Ojemeh Show Notes Welcome to Sustain Open Source Design! We’re at Penpot Fest in Barcelona, Spain having some insightful conversations. Today, Pia, Eriol, and Perrie are joined by three guests. We start off with Dima Davidoff, a product designer, who shares his experiences working as both a freelancer and full-time. He sheds light on his usage design tools and highlights the potential of open source alternatives like Penpot, emphasizing the importance of trust and community in the design world. Next, we speak with Madeline Peck, the team lead for the Fedora design team at Red Hat. She shares her work with several open source programs, stresses the importance of community involvement and outreach in design, and touches on the necessity of greater diversity and inclusion within open source communities. Finally, we speak with Michal Malewicz, a designer with over two decades of experience who now focuses on teaching. He shares his experience working with different types of companies, the importance of solid fundamental design skills, and emphasizes critical learning for designers. Hit download now to hear more! [00:01:19] Our first guest is Dima Davidoff, a Product Designer, who discusses freelancing alongside his full-time job and the differences in design tools used. [00:04:04] Dima shares his frustration with the lack of migration tools from Adobe XD to Figma and questions his trust in the company. [00:05:38] Eriol reflects on the evolution of design tools and emphasizes the importance of community to the development of the tool. Dima advises starting with open source tools for financial reasons and the ability to contribute to the development of the tool, an encourages designers to contribute to open source projects like Penpot. [00:08:57] Dima highlights the importance of user-centered design and the value of open source in listening to user feedback and delivering features promptly. [00:11:32] Our next guest is Madeline Peck, who’s an Associate Interactive Designer at Red Hat and the team lead for the Fedora design team. She mentions using open source programs like Inkscape, Penpot, Blendr, and Krita. [00:12:33] Madeline talks about involving the design community in Fedora and Red Hat’s work and mentions using different social media platforms to spread the word, such as PeerTube, and the importance of sharing tutorials and engaging with social media to reach a wider audience an promote open source. [00:14:58] Madeline discusses moving away from the logo work and focusing on creating brand identity and asset libraires for teams using tools like Penpot. [00:18:00] She talks about the need for more diversity and inclusion efforts in open source, particularly in terms of representation and creating a welcoming environment for marginalized benefits. [00:19:44] Madeline shares her transition from college to working in open source and the benefits of using open source tools like Inkscape, as well as the need for more open source awareness in educational institutions. [00:21:42] Eriol discusses the challenges educational institutions face in adopting open source tools and the potential impact on design education. [00:22:42] Madeline suggests highlighting the cost savings and the sense of community and collaboration in open source as reasons for students to consider using open source tools and expresses interest in cross-platform collaboration in open source. [00:26:32] We welcome our third guest, Michal Malewicz, a Designer for 24+ years, who now focuses on teaching other designers. [00:27:09] Michal discusses his experience working with both small startups and large corporations, preferring startups right now. The agency is run by his wife, and they focus on projects they are passionate about. [00:28:55] We hear a funny story from Michal about how he started teaching by accident after speaking at a conference, and then being asked to teach at a university. [00:30:25] Perrie asks Michal to talk about some challenges he’s had to face, and one is junior designers being focused on trendy tools like Figma and skipping fundamental design skills. [00:33:04] Michal advises designers to follow only a few design influencers and be critical in their learning process. [00:34:44] Michal talks about creating neologisms or hashtags to make design concepts more accessible, and he expresses support for Penpot and their goal of allowing design freedom and self-hosting options. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Penpot Fest Richard Littauer Twitter Pia Mancini Twitter Eriol Fox Twitter Perrie Ojemeh Twitter Dima Davidoff Twitter Dima Davidoff Website Madeline Peck Website Madeline Peck Instagram Michal Malewicz Website Michal Malewicz YouTube Michal Malewicz Twitter Penpot Fest PeerTube Blender Blender Beginner Donut Tutorial Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guests: Dima Davidoff, Madeline Peck, and Michal Malewicz.
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Aug 1, 2023 • 29min

Episode 47: Penpot Fest with Iván Martínez & Karl Hütt

Guests Iván Martínez | Karl Hütt Panelist Pia Mancini Show Notes iBienvenido a Sustain Open Source Design! La Inteligencia Artificial en Acción: Impulsando el Futuro Empresarial "¿Quieres descubrir cómo la inteligencia artificial está impulsando el futuro del desarrollo de productos y abriendo nuevas oportunidades en el mundo empresarial? Grabado durante el PenPot Festival en Barcelona, en este episodio tenemos el honor de entrevistar a Iván Martínez, CTO de Ontruck, una destacada start-up española a la vanguardia de la innovación, trabajando para reducir las emisiones de CO2 en medio de transporte. Ivan hala de su último proyecto: Private GPT. Una innovadora tecnología similar a ChatGPT, pero que está enfocada en trabajar encima de una gran base de datos, ofreciendo también mayor seguridad de datos y la información privada. Además, Ivan compartirá su visión sobre el poder de la inteligencia artificial en el desarrollo de productos y su convicción de que la comunidad de Open Source es fundamental para impulsar el progreso y el impacto de esta nueva tecnología en la sociedad. ¡No te pierdas esta conversación, únete a nosotros ahora mismo y no perca ningún detalle! Transformando el Futuro: Memri, IA Regenerativa y Privacidad de Datos. ¡Explore como la IA Regenerativa, la aplicación Memri y el control de datos por las grandes compañías impacta el futuro de la industria! Acompáñanos mientras exploramos el proyecto Open Source de Memri, un tipo de asistente personal basado en IA y desarrollado por la empresa de Karl. Además, adentrémonos en el fascinante mundo de la IA Regenerativa y descubramos cómo puede abrir nuevas puertas hacia un futuro más prometedor. Este episodio te brinda una visión única sobre el potencial transformador de la IA y cómo podemos navegar los desafíos de privacidad de datos en un mundo cada vez más conectado. ¡No te pierdas este episodio revelador y cómo podemos dar forma a un mundo mejor a través de la tecnología! Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter Pia Mancini Twitter Iván Martínez Twitter Iván Martínez Toro LinkedIn Ontruck Karl Hütt Twitter Karl Hütt LinkedIn Memri LinkedIn Karl Hütt Music (Soundcloud) Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by Julio Serra Julio Serra Studios Special Guests: Ivan Martínez and Karl Hütt.
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Jul 18, 2023 • 36min

Episode 46: Penpot Fest with Alonso Torres, Máirín Duffy & Martin Owens

The podcast features Alonso Torres, a Front-end Developer at Penpot, Máirín Duffy, a Senior Principal Interaction Designer at Red Hat, and Martin Owens, an Independent Free Software Developer at Inkscape. They discuss topics such as the origin of Penpot and its importance as an alternative to proprietary tools, the benefits of open source tooling, collaboration between different open source projects, funding open source development, and the significance of relationships within the open source community.
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Jul 4, 2023 • 34min

Episode 45: Eriol Fox, Katie Wilson and Meag Doherty on the USER project. Usable Software Ecosystem Research for Science and Research OSS

Eriol Fox, Katie Wilson, and Meag Doherty discuss design and usability in scientific and research open source software. They explore the ideal user type in open source software tools, the importance of software maintainability, and how software complexity impacts decision-making. The guests also highlight the necessity of usability in open science progress and share their experiences at events emphasizing these topics.
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Jun 20, 2023 • 37min

Episode 44: Isaac Zara of Flipside on building timeless brand system and guidelines

Guest Isaac Sixtus Chizaram (Isaac Zara) Panelists Richard Littauer | Django Skorupa Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain Open Source Design! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source with design. Learn how we, as designers, interface with open source in a sustainable way, how we integrate into different communities, and how we as coders, work with other designers. Our guest today is Isaac Zara, an open source enthusiast who works at Flipside as a brand designer. Isaac shares his journey into open source, his work as a brand experience designer, his experience mentoring designers in open source projects, and his design philosophy. He also gives us a glimpse of what’s next for him which includes personal branding projects and how he plans to integrate storytelling into brand designs. Hit download to learn much more! [00:02:51] Isaac tells us why he considers himself a designer first, a human second, and an open source designer third. [00:03:35] We hear Isaac’s journey through open source and how he got started. [00:06:00] Isaac was on the design committee for Drupal, and we find out what he designed for them. [00:07:34] At Flipside, Isaac works as a brand designer, building the brand identity and making the visual assets cohesive across all marketing channels. [00:08:54] We learn about the community being quite different in the Web3 space, using VLC, and how he feels we need more people with this open source beauty mentality in Web3. [00:10:57] Isaac emphasizes the importance of building a brand system that will stand the test of time, which involves developing an identity that is timeless and consistent with the brand’s values. Also, he notes that open source projects can only stand the test of time with the support of a community and a process that makes it easier for people to take over where the designer leaves off. [00:14:21] As a brand designer, he talks about the importance of creating brand guidelines for open source projects to maintain consistency in visual design and recommends making the brand guidelines accessible to everyone involved in the project. [00:16:20] Isaac discusses the role of design in attracting new users and contributors to open source projects. [00:18:32] We hear the role of design in attracting new users and contributors to open source projects. [00:22:25] Isaac explains the way to sell a product is by communicating the value to people out there and the importance of creating a visually appealing pitch to investors. He also brings up CHAOSS, CHAOSS Africa, and Ruth Ikegah. [00:26:42] While Isaac hasn’t specifically worked on open source projects looking for financial contributions, he notes that it’s important to make funding accessible and easy to navigate on the project’s website to encourage financial support. [00:28:14] We hear about his experience mentoring others in open source projects and his approach to design. [00:29:02] What’s hard for Isaac about design in open source? [00:31:11] We hear what’s next for Isaac, such as his personal branding projects and how he wants to incorporate storytelling into his brand designs. [00:32:09] Find out where you can follow Isaac on the web. Quotes [00:03:09] “What gave me the privilege to contribute to open source because I had a design skill.” [00:14:30] “Devs call it documentation, we call it brand guidelines.” [00:17:04] “It’s hard to create something that will be cohesive if there’s no guide. Just imagine when you walk into an open forest without a compass.” [00:21:07] “It can be hard to translate your greatness you have within you, if they’re not seeing you speak visually.” [00:22:45] “As a brand designer, I see myself as a value maker, as an innovator.” Spotlight [00:33:02] Django’s spotlight is two mentors, Ruth Ikegah and Eriol Fox. [00:33:58] Richard’s spotlight is a colleague, Chihurumnaya Ibiam. [00:35:00] Isaac’s spotlight is Rachel Lawson. Links Open Source Design Twitter Open Source Design Sustain Design & UX working group SustainOSS Discourse Sustain Open Source Twitter Richard Littauer Twitter Django Skorupa Twitter Isaac Sixtus Chizaram LinkedIn Isaac Zara Twitter Flipside OSCAfrica 2023 Lagos, Nigeria CHAOSS Africa CHAOSS Jean-Baptiste Kempf LinkedIn Ruth Ikegah LinkedIn Eriol Fox LinkedIn Rachel Lawson-Drupal Rachel Lawson Website Chihurumnaya Ibiam LinkedIn Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Isaac Sixtus Chizaram.

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