Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

  Four University of Idaho students are brutally murdered in their home in Moscow, Idaho on November 13th, 2022. Police suspect that the murder took place between 3am-4 and their bodies are discovered by a friend that same morning around noon. Investigators believe that the murder weapon was a knife of some sort. More leads have been uncovered by police and investigators in the past weeks and the hunt is still on for a primary suspect. In this episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and Jackie Howard continue discussing the details of this unfolding case following the 19 page affidavit detailing evidence collected so far. Joe and Jackie discuss moving evidence as big as a mattress, the KA-BAR knife sheath and matching up knife inflicted wounds, history of KA-BAR knives, and more. Subscribe to Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan : Apple Podcasts Spotify iHeart Show Notes: 0:00 - Intro 1:45 - Reopening the details of this case - 19-page affidavit dropped over the weekend. 2:30 - Multiple forms of evidence have been recovered including but not limited to  DNA, Cell Phone, CCTV Footage, Footprints, and the Knife Sheath. 4:00 -  What is Touch DNA? 7:32 - Has Blood evidence been found? 9:50 - What volume of DNA is needed to match a suspect from the evidence collected so far? 12:35 - Differentiation in wounds on the victim's bodies. 16:55 - Examining the mattresses that the bodies were found on, what they can reveal to a forensic expert. 21:45 - Proper handling of a piece of evidence as big as a person's mattress. 27:04 -  How do you match up wounds on a victim to a knife that may have been used to inflict those injuries? A KA-BAR knife sheath was found discarded on one of the victim's beds. 31:47 -  Before an Autopsy is conducted you perform an AP and a Lateral X-ray. 35:20 - History of the KA-BAR name and model. 37:07 - A footprint was discovered outside the surviving roommate's door. Investigators matched up the print to a Van skate shoe. 40:39 -  footprints can tell you about how a person walks, what part of the foot they walk on, and the persons gait. 42:00 - OutroSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Austin Lee Edwards poses as a 17-year-old boy to talk online with a 15-year-old girl. He then drives across the country to her Riverside home when she stops responding. Edwards parks in a neighbor's driveway and goes inside the Winek home. Edwards kills the girl's mother and grandparents, sets the home on fire, and leaves with the girl. Now we learn that Edwards had groomed at least one other victim. He was stalking and pressuring the minor for nude photographs. The Los Angeles Times reports the now 21-year-old woman, who was not identified, was 13 years old when she met Edwards, then 20, on the online messaging platform Omegle. The woman provided the Times with more than 4,000 messages sent in the two-year period after the two began corresponding over Skype, reflecting a sexually and emotionally toxic conversation. “YO WHAT THE F**** I SAID I WANTED TITS WAITING ON ME WHEN I GOT BACK,” Edwards reportedly wrote in one message. The woman, then a tween, replied, “iM SORRY.” In 2016, as she began to pull away from him, Edwards began suggesting in video calls and text messages that he was hurting himself. Over one call, he showed her an injury that matched details of a police report around that time that ended with Edwards’ temporary detention in a psychiatric facility. The woman told the Times she’d only realized she had post-traumatic symptoms years after finally blocking Edwards. “He did a lot of damage to me,” she said. A neighbor calls police after noticing Edwards leading the girl, who "appeared distressed," into his car. Another neighbor also calls 911 after seeing flames coming from the home. When police arrive, Edwards and the girl are gone. Brooke, Sherie, and Mark Winek's bodies are found inside the home; Brooke Winek's other daughter is not home. Police get Edward's license plate from cameras in Winek's neighborhood and track him into the Mojave Desert. A helicopter spots the car and cops pursue Edwards, who fires at the officers. Edwards turns the gun on himself and crashes the car. The girl was unharmed during the kidnapping and is now in protective custody.  Joining Nancy Grace Today: Darryl Cohen - Former Assistant District Attorney, Fulton County, Georgia, Defense Attorney, Cohen, Cooper, Estep, & Allen, LLC, CCEAlaw.com  Dr. Scott A. Johnson - Forensic Psychologist (Minnesota), 32 years specializing in addressing sexual predators, Author: "When “I Love You” Turns Violent" and "Physical Abusers & Sexual Offenders" Dr. Tim Gallagher - Medical Examiner State of Florida; Lecturer: University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine; Founder/Host: International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference  Detective Rich Wistocki: Child crime expert, president of BeSure Consulting for 30 years, decorated member of Law Enforcement, 23-year SWAT team member; Formed the Will County Illinois States Attorney’s High Technology Crimes Unit that made over 90 sexual predator arrests in its first 3 ½ years.   Titania Jordan  - Chief Parenting/Marketing Officer, Bark Technologies, Author: "Parenting In A Tech World;" Instagram/Twitter: @TitaniaJordan, @BarkTechnologies  Kristen Quon - reporter WCYB, @WCYB_Quon   Dave Mack - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

All this week, Nancy Grace is in Moscow, Idaho, learning more about accused killer Bryan Kohberger.  Listen to what Nancy learns from Kohberger's neighbors.  Kohberger appeared in court for a status hearing. During the conference, Kohberger waived his right to a speedy preliminary probable cause hearing. The judge scheduled a hearing to begin June 26, with the entire week blocked out for the case.  Kohberger remains in state custody with no bond.  Joining Nancy Grace today:  Dale Carson - High Profile Attorney (Jacksonville), Former FBI Agent, Former Police Officer (Miami-Dade County), Author: "Arrest-Proof Yourself"  Caryn Stark- Psychologist- Trauma and Crime expert; Twitter: @carnpsych  Sheryl McCollum - Forensic Expert, Founder: Cold Case Investigative Research Institute in Atlanta, GA; Twitter: @ColdCaseTips; Host of "Zone 7" podcast.  Chris McDonough - Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, coldcasefoundation.org; Host of YouTube channel, The Interview Room Laura Ingle-Senior Correspondent, Fox News Channel, Twitter: @laurraingle, Instagram:@lauraingletv  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Teacher in fentanyl OD revived in classroom with Narcan. Little Girl mauled by neighbor's pit bull, dies.  Orthodontists solicits minors for nude photos.  Tip for speeders, don't post your chase with police.... online.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

All this week Nancy Grace is in Idaho. Today, Nancy and her team drive the route Bryan Kohberger's reported drove after the murders. Kohberger's phone was turned off during the time of the murders,  but once the phone was turned on at around 4:50 a.m,  investigators were able to track its movement.  The phone was tracked near Blaine, Idaho.  Tracking also showed Kohberger traveling south to Genese, west to Uniontown, and north back into Pullman.  Nancy Grace describes the dark, eerie drive.   Joining Nancy Grace today:  Sheryl McCollum - Forensic Expert, Founder: Cold Case Investigative Research Institute in Atlanta, GA, ColdCaseCrimes.org, @ColdCaseTips   Host: Zone 7 Chris McDonough - Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, coldcasefoundation.org,  Host of YouTube channel,  The Interview Room David Leroy-Attorney at Law (Boise, ID), Former Idaho Attorney General, Former Idaho Lieutenant Governor & Former Prosecutor (Ada County), DLeroy.com, Facebook.com/BoiseCriminalDefense Dr. Angela Arnold- Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA, AngelaArnoldMD.com, Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University, Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital  Dave Mack Crime online Investigative reporter  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Friends get in an argument which ends in gunfire, killing pregnant woman.  Guy kidnaps date, after she refuses to have sex, beats her for five days.  Good Samaritan mom helps a couple who then try to snatch her son. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nancy Grace travels to Idaho, to the home where students Ethan Chapin, 20; Madison Mogen, 21; Xana Kernodle, 20; and Kaylee Goncalves, 21, were killed. Listen as Nancy describes for you the places in Moscow important to this investigation and the eerie atmosphere surrounding the neighborhood and the murder house.  As investigators gather the details of this case, the search for the murder weapon continues.  Joining Nancy Grace today Sheryl McCollum - Forensic Expert, Founder: Cold Case Investigative Research Institute in Atlanta, GA; Twitter:@ColdCaseTips; Host of 'Zone 7' Podcast  Chris McDonough - Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, coldcasefoundation.org, Host of YouTube Show, 'The Interview Room' Dr. Angela Arnold- Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA; Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University, Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital,  Josh Fiallo - Breaking News Reporter for The Daily Beast; Twitter: @ByJoshFiallo See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Man shot after driving through security gate.   Woman finds pets intentionally poisoned.  Uber driver shot after picking up a rider who's having a gunfight. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gretchen Fleming, 28, disappears after an evening out with a friend, but video captured her leaving the My Way Lounge & Restaurant in Parkersburg, West Virginia, with an older man.  This person of interest reportedly has provided inconsistent accounts of what happened that evening. Police say the man took Fleming to his home.  He says he dropped Fleming off.  The young woman's purse with her cellphone, ID, and money was left behind in the lounge. As the search continues, human remains are found nearly two hours from the last location where Gretchen was seen. Where is Gretchen?  Joining Nancy Grace today: David Fleming – Father Dale Carson - High Profile Attorney (Jacksonville), Former FBI Agent, Former Police Officer (Miami-Dade County), Author: "Arrest-Proof Yourself Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist; Twitter: @carynpsych, Facebook: "Caryn Stark"   Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University; Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet," and Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan"  Sheryl McCollum - Forensic Expert, Founder: Cold Case Investigative Research Institute in Atlanta, GA; Twitter: @ColdCaseTips; Host of the new podcast: "Zone 7"  Dave Mack - CrimeOnline Investigative reporter  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Woman climbs the fence at an elementary school to kidnap an 8-year-old girl. Roommate follows through on threat to kill another resident.                                          New wife gets power of attorney for husband then poisons his coffee.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.