

Decoding Impact with Rathish Balakrishnan
A Sattva Initiative
Welcome to Decoding Impact, a social impact podcast hosted by Rathish Balakrishnan, Co-founder and Managing Partner of Sattva Consulting.
Through Decoding Impact, we aim to spotlight critical societal issues, the solutions currently available and the substantial barriers and trade offs that exist today to achieve them.
Thought-provoking conversations with innovators, experts and leaders from civil society, business and government and offers a unique platform to spotlight tangible solutions to achieving societal impact.
Join the journey, let's decode impact, one conversation at a time.
Through Decoding Impact, we aim to spotlight critical societal issues, the solutions currently available and the substantial barriers and trade offs that exist today to achieve them.
Thought-provoking conversations with innovators, experts and leaders from civil society, business and government and offers a unique platform to spotlight tangible solutions to achieving societal impact.
Join the journey, let's decode impact, one conversation at a time.
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Oct 27, 2023 • 1h 21min
Decoding Account Aggregators with Shalini Gupta
Despite gains in its financial inclusion journey, access to financial services is limited to 86% of India's population. Access to credit specifically is a persistent challenge, reflected in the unmet credit need of Rs 25 lakh crores - aggravated by disaggregated data and tedious data sharing processes.
Account aggregators are introducing open banking in India. They have the potential to revolutionise the credit market, empowering millions of customers to access and share their financial data across institutions in a secure and efficient manner. To talk more about account aggregators and how these can enable financial digital inclusion, we have with us Shalini Gupta, the Head of Strategy at Sahamati. Sahamati is a member-driven industry alliance formed to facilitate adoption of the account aggregator ecosystem in India.
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Host: Rathish Balakrishnan | Linkedin | Twitter
Guest: Shalini Gupta | LinkedIn
Producer: Anagha Wankhede
Audio Engineer & Editor: Abhilash Raikar
Designer: Usha Sondhi Kundu
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Content Sections
00:00 - Decoding Impact Introduction
00:48 - Introduction to the topic and guest
02:32 - What is an Account Aggregator?
06:40 - What financial information is viable and who will use it?
10:21 - Personal Finance Management (PFM) Use Cases
13:14 - How big is the AA system today?
15:37 - A User's Journey in the AA Framework
18:17 - Common AA Apps
18:59 - Value in Data Sharing
24:53 - Resolving Conflicts of Purpose between Financial Entities
28:40 - A New Approach to Gauging Financial Health
34:36 - What is Sahamati's Role?
37:59 - How can Account Aggregators Unlock Value?
50:30 - The Interplay of OCEN and AA
55:57 - PFM for Women
59:11 - Account Aggregators for the Government
1:03:01 - What needs to fall in place?
1:08:02 - Employing Imagination to Utilise AA
1:13:54 - The Role of Philanthropic Capital
1:19:02 - Summary and outro

Oct 10, 2023 • 1h 4min
Decoding a Life Cycle Approach to Mental Health with Dr. Pratima Murthy
India is grappling with a severe mental health crisis, with over 197 million Indians diagnosed with mental disorders, exacerbated by a wide treatment gap. The good news is that there is growing recognition of the importance of mental health in the country. However, a thorough understanding of what it entails, what forms mental well-being takes, how it should be approached and conceptualised, is lacking.
Mental well-being is intertwined with economic, cultural, social and other factors at various stages of an individual’s life. Effective interventions, therefore, should be contextualised to these aspects. How can public policy, market solutions and community solutions be designed with these in mind?
Joining us on World Mental Health Day to share her reflections on making mental health a key part of India’s development agenda, is Dr Pratima Murthy. Dr. Murthy is the Director of NIMHANS, where she has been pivotal in initiating Tele Manas, and establishing the state-of-the-art Centre for Addiction. She has also worked with the National Human Rights Commission to improve care for persons with mental illness.
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Host: Rathish Balakrishnan | Linkedin | Twitter
Guest: Dr. Pratima Murthy | Linkedin
Producer: Meenakshi Iyer
Audio Engineer & Editor: Abhilash Raikar
Designer: Usha Sondhi Kundu
Content Sections:
00:48 Introduction to the topic and guest
02:14 Why is mental well-being critical?
04:17 Recognising interconnections
08:10 Vocabulary and mental models
12:22 Context-specific intervention design
15:38 Designing population-scale interventions
23:11 Perinatal well-being
26:06 Mental health in schools
36:01 Mental health in workplaces
39:42 Prisons as a crucial locus
44:55 Mental health for the elderly
47:54 Improving access to care
51:41 Designing mental well-being models
58:22 Recommendations for philanthropy
1:02:15 Summary and Outro

Sep 15, 2023 • 55min
Decoding Universal Health Coverage with Dr. Nachiket Mor (Part 2)
In Part 2 of our discussion on Universal Health Coverage, host Rathish Balakrishnan and guest Dr Nachiket Mor dive into the need to define the right problems while taking a digital public goods approach to UHC, challenges with financing, and lessons from other countries. They also discuss how the private and public sectors can rethink existing approaches to healthcare delivery, and collaborate to implement an efficient working model for UHC in India.
Dr. Nachiket Mor is trained as an economist. His current work is principally focused on the design of national and regional health systems. He is a Visiting Scientist at The Banyan Academy of Leadership in Mental Health and a Senior Research Fellow at the Centre for Information Technology and Public Policy at IIIT Bangalore. He is also a Commissioner on the Lancet Commission on Reimagining India's Health System.
Listen to Part 1 here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5rsqLW3phlu3XLRgX1kteg
For more, follow Sattva Knowledge Institute on our Website, LinkedIn, Instagram, and Twitter.Host: Rathish Balakrishnan | Linkedin | Twitter
Guest: Dr. Nachiket Mor | Linkedin | Twitter
Producer: Meenakshi IyerAudio Engineer & Editor: Abhilash RaikarDesigner: Usha Sondhi Kundu
Content Sections0:00 - Decoding Impact Introduction0:48 - Introduction to topic and guest02:13 - Accelerating UHC with Digital Public Goods07:02 - Articulation of DPGS16:04 -Promises of Healthcare19:23 - Financing in UHC23:21 - Incentives for public health26:35 - Managed Care29:56 - Making Strategic Purchases effective34:30 - District as a unit35:37 - Private Sector Participation Models44:23 - White spaces47:40 - Imagining a Working Model in Health52:06 - Summary and Outro

Sep 8, 2023 • 1h 10min
Decoding Universal Health Coverage with Dr. Nachiket Mor (Part 1)
Globally, universal health coverage (UHC) has been highlighted as an important goal, because of its close links to poverty reduction and potential to enhance the economic growth of countries.
From public to private health care, across primary, secondary, and tertiary care, and whether we look at the challenges and opportunities for physicians or community health workers, the promise of UHC is heady and exciting. Through this two-part discussion with Dr. Nachiket Mor, not only an expert in health, but someone who is deeply passionate about health and health systems, host Rathish Balakrishnan explores the plethora of trade-offs and barriers to realising UHC in India.
In part one of this discussion Dr. Mor helps us understand what universal health coverage is, highlights existing bright spots, looks at the role of primary care, and discusses how we can talilor an approach to UHC that leverages India’s strengths.
Dr. Nachiket Mor is trained as an economist. His current work is principally focused on the design of national and regional health systems. He is a Visiting Scientist at The Banyan Academy of Leadership in Mental Health and a Senior Research Fellow at the Centre for Information Technology and Public Policy at IIIT Bangalore. He is also a Commissioner on the Lancet Commission on Reimagining India's Health System.
For more, follow Sattva Knowledge Institute on our Website, Linkedin, Instagram, and Twitter.
Host: Rathish Balakrishnan | Linkedin | Twitter
Guest: Dr. Nachiket Mor | Linkedin | Twitter
Producer: Meenakshi Iyer
Audio Engineer & Editor: Abhilash Raikar
Designer: Usha Sondhi Kundu
Content Sections
0:00 - Decoding Impact Introduction
0:47 - Introduction to topic and guest
02:47 - Where is India in relation to Universal Health Coverage today?
09:58 - The People vs. Politics of UHC
13:14 - Building things for the greater good rather than to feel good
15:55 - Key levers to think about UHC
20:45 - Understanding the Indian context
21:57 - What is working well & opportunites in India
24: 57 - More examples in India of what is working well
26:52 - Building a multidisciplinary approach top down
29:52 - The missing tissue between ideas and intent
32:05 - Finding solutions and how to think about financing UHC
36:44 - Evolving the role of community health aids for UHC
43:21 - Learnability of community health aids
44:42 - The effect of localising community workers
46:11 - Avoiding the pitfalls of isomorphic mimicry
50:52 - Reflection and opportunities
52:41 - Understanding the true cost of UHC for India
01:00:08 - We need a high trust system to realise UHC
01:05:33 - Summary and Outro

Aug 25, 2023 • 1h 9min
Decoding Agricultural Technology (Agritech) with Parmesh Shah
Technology has the potential to revolutionise Indian agriculture. There are innovations in seed and bioengineering platforms, use of robots and AI and blockchain that are enhancing efficiency and transparency in the sector. India's agritech industry comprises over 1300 companies and is projected to reach over ₹1 trillion by 2025. The recent 2023-24 budget allocated INR 450 crores to the Digital Agriculture Mission and INR 600 crores for technology driven agriculture promotion.
However, despite these promising tailwinds, the low adoption of technology by farmers remains a major challenge, and agritech penetration in India remains abysmally low at around 1%. In today's episode of Decoding Impact, we try to understand the potential of a platform-based approach for agritech, the importance of directing the right capital to address the right issues, and how we can take a systems approach to identify key enablers for the successful scale up of agritech.
Our guest for this episode is Mr. Parmesh Shah, the Global Lead for Data, Digital Agriculture and Innovation at the Agriculture and Food Global Practice of the World Bank. Mr. Shah is currently managing a global programme on scaling up data-driven digital agriculture, involving data platforms and establishing ecosystems for innovation, entrepreneurship and incubation across 38 countries.
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Host: Rathish Balakrishnan | Linkedin | Twitter
Guest: Parmesh Shah | Linkedin | Twitter
Producer: Meenakshi Iyer
Audio Engineer & Editor: Abhilash Raikar
Designer: Usha Sondhi Kundu
Content Sections:
0:00 - Decoding Impact Introduction0:48 - Introduction to topic and guest02:37 - The current agri tech landscape
05:58 - Defining agtech solutions & tech
10:03 - Successful solution categories
13:53 - The need for physical plus digital infrastructure
23:41 - 5 key principles
25:46 - Systemic challenges to agtech adoption
33:49 - Understanding platforms and agri tech
42:20 - Summarising the platform "cake" layers
43:35 - Different types of capital
49:22 - Building a platform-based approach
57:25 - Challenges for big business and the State
01:04:10 - Role of Philanthropy
01:07:20 - Summary and thanks

Aug 18, 2023 • 1h 1min
Decoding Nano Entrepreneurs with Priya Naik
India is known for its large companies across manufacturing and technology, but what often goes unnoticed is that a large part of the employment in this country is actually driven by Micro Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs).
MSMEs contribute to more than 30% of India's GDP, and 11 million of these are in fact very, very small. These comprise the segment of MSMEs known as nano entrepreneurs, with an annual turnover between ten lakhs and one crore.
On this episode of Decoding Impact, host Rathish Balakrishnan speaks with Priya Naik, Founder and CEO at Samhita Social Ventures, to discuss who are these nano entrepreneurs, what are their challenges, and how can the ecosystem catalyse their potential to become growth engines for the Indian economy.
Priya has two decades of experience in impact and entrepreneurship and has worked with International Finance Corporation, the Poverty Action Lab at MIT, and Arthur Andersen.
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Host: Rathish Balakrishnan | Linkedin | Twitter
Guest: Priya Naik | Linkedin
Producer: Meenakshi Iyer
Audio Engineer & Editor: Abhilash Raikar
Designer: Usha Sondhi Kundu
Content Sections:
0:00 - Decoding Impact Introduction
0:48 - Introduction to topic and guest
01:43 - Who are nano entrepreneurs?
03:02 - Sustainability and scale
06:12 - The challenges for nano entrepreneurs
14:02 - Overcoming challenges for nano entrepreneurs
22:08 - Tailoring for the nano entrepreneurs
24:33 - Market first or philanthropy first?
30:06 - Gender and entrepreneurship
35:52 - The growth curve for women entrepreneurs
42:36 - Formalisation of the marketplace
49:20 - Preparing nano entrepreneurs for success
53:20 - Growing and enabling the nano entrepreneurs ecosystem
59:00 - Summary and thanks

Jul 31, 2023 • 56min
Decoding India’s DPI Learnings for the Global South with Professor S Rajagopalan
Do we take the possibilities enabled by the unique identification system of Aadhar for granted in India today?
Certain reports estimate that 850 million people around the world do not have an official ID, and that around 133 countries today do not have a digital payment system. Through India's digitisation revolution we have made leaps and bounds in how people can be uniquely identified for social welfare needs and how they can use that identity to manage basic civic rights like accessing financial services, government support, and even applying for a job.
So how can more countries benefit from what we are doing today in India, in a manner which builds the agency of the country to deliver better welfare for their people? To discuss this host Rathish Balakrishnan had an opportunity to speak to Professor S Rajagopalan for this episode of Decoding Impact.
Professor S Rajagopalan, is currently the president of MOSIP & OpenG2P, both housed under IIIT, Bangalore. He is an entrepreneur, teacher, advisor and advocate, and his subject matter expertise and interests include innovation dissemination, economics of innovations, Geographical Information systems, and Economics of Information Technologies.
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Host: Rathish Balakrishnan | Linkedin | Twitter
Guest: Professor S Rajagopalan | Linkedin
Producer: Meenakshi Iyer
Audio Engineer & Editor: Abhilash Raikar
Designer: Usha Sondhi Kundu
Content Sections:
0:51 - Introduction to topic and guest
02:53 - Understanding MOSIP
06:35 - Why is a unique identity important?
10:36 - How are other countries looking at identity?
11:55 - Drawbacks to using other systems
14:28 - Which countries are using MOSIP today?
17:27 - Timelines to implement MOSIP in other countries
19:38 - How countries are enabled to implement MOSIP
24:01 - Reactions and interacting with other countries
27:16 - Tailoring approaches for each country
29:33 - Transferrable use of DPIs
33:58 - Value unlocked through DPIs
36:00 - Other opportunities and applications
41:45 - Accelerating adoption of DPIs
43:59 - Global tailwinds for adoption
45:07 - The DPI and DPG mental model
50:26 - The role of philanthropy
54:36 - Summary and thanks

Jul 14, 2023 • 59min
Decoding ASER for FLN Outcomes with Dr. Rukmini Banerji
Education is the Harry Potter of the social sector. Everybody loves it. Everybody puts money into it. Yet, why aren't we seeing sweeping outcomes?
As per the Annual Status of Education Report or ASER 2022, in India the enrolment rate for primary schools stands at the highest it has ever been in Indian education history at 98.4%. However, only 42.8% of grade five students are able to read at grade level text. Assessment and measuring foundational literacy and numeracy (FLN) outcomes has been thrust to the forefront of understanding what the problems in education are today, so that they can be solved more effectively.
To discuss this and more on Decoding Impact, host Rathish Balakrishnan cuaght up with the CEO of Pratham Education Foundation, Dr. Rukmini Banerji.
Dr. Banerji is an accomplished educationist, who advocates for data-driven education reforms and she has spearheaded the development of notable large-scale assessments, including the widely recognised ASER.
For more, follow Sattva Knowledge Institute on our Website, Linkedin, Instagram, and Twitter.
Host: Rathish Balakrishnan | Linkedin | Twitter
Guest: Dr. Rukmini Banerji | Linkedin
Producer: Meenakshi Iyer
Audio Engineer & Editor: Abhilash Raikar
Designer: Usha Sondhi Kundu
Content Sections
0:00 - Decoding Impact Introduction
0:51 - Introduction to topic and guest
02:57 - The origin story of ASER
15:16 - How ASER was adopted nationally and learnings
23:48 - What has made ASER successful?
31:28 - ASER is a true public good
32:16 - ASER as a social movement
37:17 - Education trends post COVID
43:56 - The Big Jump for FLN
50:10 - Its not about reading, its about self-confidence
50:56 - Government role, natural disasters, and successful state interventions
57:20 - Summary and thanks

Jun 30, 2023 • 1h 2min
Decoding Millets with Sivakumar S
Millets are often referred to as the crop of the future and India has been undergoing its own renaissance with this super food. Also, 2023 has been designated as the International Year of Millets by the UN, where India has been leading the discourse to develop the dialogue on millets globally.
The magic of millets holds the promise of unlocking a model of production that is good for us, the farmer, businesses, and good for the environment. In this podcast host Rathish Balakrishnan had the opportunity to speak to Mr. Sivakumar S, someone who deeply understands the Sarkar, the Samaj and the Bazaar of agriculture deeply with over 30 years of experience in the sector.
Mr. Sivakumar S is currently the group head of Agri and IT businesses at ITC Limited and is a member of its Corporate Management Committee. He also oversees ITC’s Sustainability and Social Investments programme. Mr. Sivakumar S has also been engaged as an advisor for the agricultural industry, at both a national and international level.
For more, follow Sattva Knowledge Institute on our Website, Linkedin, Instagram, and Twitter.
Host: Rathish Balakrishnan | Linkedin | Twitter
Guest: Sivakumar S | Linkedin | Twitter
Producer: Meenakshi Iyer
Audio Engineer & Editor: Abhilash Raikar
Designer: Usha Sondhi Kundu
Contents of Episode
0:00 - Decoding Impact Introduction
0:51 - Introduction to topic and guest
02:26 - Consumer-side benefits and advantages of millets
05:54 - Other unique advantages of millets
10:52 - The farmer perspective
15:19 - Systemic challenges holding back the promise of millets
22:44 - Three-pronged approach to promote consumption of millets
27:05 - What it will take to mainstream millet consumption
30:30 - R&D to improve millet production
32:40 - Creating a decentralised infrastructure
35:36 - How else can we look at promoting millets?
39:42 - From the Green Revolution to the Brown Revolution
45:23 - Producers and the Green Revolution & industry sentiments towards millets
52:29 - Transferrable Learnings for Millets
56:47 - The role of philanthropy & the state
59:49 - Summary & Thanks

Jun 16, 2023 • 1h 4min
Decoding Digital Public Goods & Digital Public Infrastructure with Dr. Pramod Varma
Dr. Pramod Varma, expert in digital public infrastructure and digital public goods, discusses the importance of unlocking value from DPIs and DPGs in various social sectors in India. He highlights the success of Aadhar and UPI as examples of DPIs and explores advancements in digital infrastructure. The podcast also explores the concept of a 'bus list' and the factors necessary for the digital public goods movement to gain momentum.


