Discourse in Magic

This week Jonah is joined by Jonathan Bayme, CEO of theory11, to talk about his work applying magic minded thinking to his business and the products he creates. Jonathan was five years old when he watched a performance of David Copperfield, and by thirteen he was headlining events to sold out audiences. Soon he’d finish highschool early to begin producing and consulting for some of the biggest names in magic and in 2007 he founded theory11 and has taken his keen ability for magic minded thinking into other businesses and environments beyond the performance stage. Learning To Perform, Not Just Present Jonathan shares with Jonah the story of his early years. From knowing at a very young age that he would be spending his life performing as or working with magicians. He learned the difference between performing magic and presenting magic and shares stories of the lessons he learned and people he met, and tried to meet, that directed the course of his early magic career.  Going With The Wind Jonathan is quick to remind you that he has never gone in with a long master plan and is always open to change. It’s that flexibility that allowed him to put himself into moments of opportunity that put him in the same room as JJ Abram, pitching a plan to sell a mystery box with his name on it, or working with other high profile clients creating playing cards for their brands. From founding theory11, to producing The Magician at New York’s NoMad with Dan White, to having to pivot that show into the virtual performance of The Magician Online, Jonathan has been moving the wind and accepted the changes to his trajectory all along. Is this where he thought he’d end up? No. Would he rather be anywhere else? Not a chance. Sending The Second Email Jonathan also offers up a lot of advice for budding magicians who want to make this artform their career. He shares with Jonah his background on working with The Illusionists, to founding his company, and how he pitched the idea of a one player game to Target and how Neil Patrick Harris ended up attached to the project.  Ultimately, many times, it has come down to knowing the value of your product and returning time after time even after you get rejected. Sending the second e-mail. Or the third. Or the tenth. Never giving up until your vision is realized.  Wrap-Up Endless Chain Blake Voght What do you like about modern magic? What do you not like? One thing I love going on in magic right now is how much the internet has become even more of a vehicle for magicians connecting than it ever has been.Whether that’s YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, message boards, anything… you have the ability to connect with other musicians in 15 different forms. There’s a very specific genre of magic that I like. I like pushing magic being seen as a sophisticated upscale intellectual art form. I like elevating the art form. So the things that I liked the most, or the magicians that do that. Anything that’s the opposite of that is probably what I liked the least. Take home point Being very willing to go where your passion leads you and you don’t have to have a goal. People ask, “what’s your five-year plan”? Like, I don’t have a five day plan let alone a five-year plan. If you don’t have a plan it means that you’re going a little bit more with the wind. It means potentially more insecurity. And your career path, not knowing exactly what you’re doing. You have to be totally set on what you’re doing at the moment, but I’m just saying, be willing to deviate from your original plan. You can change your story and you can become something completely different or you could not be a professional magician and you could go work at something else and magic is your hobby and that’s totally fine. It doesn’t make you less of a magician because you don’t perform. I just want to open people’s eyes to how many options and opportunities there are in magic and ways that you can have a life in magic that don’t necessarily have to involve becoming a famous magician. Plugs Theory11’s website is theory11.com. If you haven’t seen the Magician Online, you can go do themagicianonline.com.  Box One is the game that we made with Neil Patrick Harris, go to boxonegame.com The post Magic Minded Thinking with Jonathan Bayme appeared first on Discourse in Magic.

Jonah returns with all new interviews and discussions coming your way. Looking Back It’s been almost two years since the pandemic and what a journey it’s been. And we remember that in March or April of 2020 saying that when this whole pandemic thing wraps up, when it ends, when you go back to normal, you’re going to miss the time that you had. And you’re going to wish that you would have spent a couple more hours or days working on this, or a couple more hours or days working on that. And Jonah is here to tell you that he’s wishing that he had more time and that he did more and that he took more advantage of the downtime in the world and downtime in the business because things are getting back to normal. In-Person Magic Is Back Jonah is back and also in-person magic is back. All of the magic venues are sort of back putting on shows. All your favorite magicians are touring around and performing and you get to see them live. And, as well, gigs are back to in-person gigs. A lot of us were doing exclusively virtual and some people still are doing exclusively virtual while some people are doing both, but in-person gigs are back and they are happening. It’s time to take all of those ideas that have been bouncing around in your head for the last two years and put them into the world. If you have nerves about returning to the stage and returning to performing then Jonah’s advice is to just pick the trick that you’re going to do in advance. One that you know and that you know you are going to do that way. That way you don’t have to worry about it in the moment. You know exactly what trick to show them. And you can even pick the trick based on the environment that you’re going to be in. It gives you a lot of advantage because you know exactly what you’re going to be doing. You can rehearse it and you can picture it in your mind. Instead of you practicing every trick, you’re just practicing one trick. Don’t go out there and wing it. The more prepared you are the better and just know exactly what you’re going to do. Don’t stress yourself out about trying to do a million different things. Decide what trick is going to go with what format and make it happen.  Gigging Is Back And while in person magic is back, so is gigging. It’s happening slowly because we’re not in a corporate season right now but in camps, schools, resorts, fairs, festivals, company events, and restaurants… all of these places are getting ready to launch or relaunch or get things back to normal. And now is your chance to go and get a spot, a residency, something! Go reach out to some of these places. This is a really wonderful time.  When the pandemic started, it was a really good time to put on a company’s first virtual event and do something for them virtually to help them better understand the medium. And now a lot of companies are struggling to figure out how to make their event more fun. And you may have the answers to that. So send emails to every place that you know that is reopening because they’re transitioning back to in-person. Those are great places to be reaching out to about your services. And a lot of the magicians that used to do this probably retired over the course of the pandemic so maybe there’s some room for you! Jonah Has Your Back If you need help getting bookings and getting gigs then send Jonah an email. The email address is magic@torontomagiccompany.com. And he has another group starting in a couple of weeks to help magicians grow their business and book some gigs.So if you need some help with that, then send Jonah an email.  Welcome Back Finally, if you live anywhere near Toronto, Jonah and Ben are back putting on live shows. They have a live show happening at Yuk Yuk’s this coming week called Hocus Jokus! It’s a comedy magic show and it is a ton of fun. So if you want to see a Jonah performance, and you live anywhere near Toronto, this is a wonderful chance and he would love to see you there. The post I’m Back! appeared first on Discourse in Magic.

This week Jonah is joined by prolific magician and prop maker, Bizzaro. Bizzaro has been a staple in the magic world, both as a performer and as a prop maker. In this episode he and Jonah discuss building a workshop, creativity, and problem solving.  Build It Yourself Bizzaro has always been best when left alone to his own devices, from a kid who would always check out the same books every week from the library to the adult who makes his visions come to life by making it himself.  Bizzaro opens up about his early days making props for friends in the magic club and discovering early on that he had a zeal for performing and just heading out and doing it.  Each Trick Has A Story From a glue bottle that you can drink from to a refilling oreo cookie, Bizzaro’s inventions are wonderfully weird and unique. So how does he come up with them? According to Bizzaro they all come from different places and every trick has a story. Most of the time the inception of the idea comes from the question, “wouldn’t it be fun if”?  He shares with Jonah stories about the creations of some of his most popular tricks and offers advice on how to find that creative inspiration in your own surroundings.  Propping Up Magicians Along with creating escape rooms, Bizzaro is also a prolific prop maker. He offers up advice on building your own workshop and what software he’s found most useful to help design his creations.  Wrap-Up Endless Chain Rudy Coby & The Shocker What do you like about modern magic? What do you not like? Both likes and dislikes social media magic. On one hand it’s sometimes unimaginative, too short, and not very well presented. On the other hand, it means that when the public actually gets out to see a real live magic show they are blown away because social media magic has lowered their expectations!   Take home point When you have an idea just make it, don’t be lazy just do it. Plugs Bizzaro’s main website is bizzaro.ninja  His prop making site is bizzarobydesign.com And if you need some escape room work done you can visit Test Subjects at testsubjects.com And if you want more tips on creativity, you can email Bizzaro, or find him on social media. Let him know you heard him on this podcast and he’ll send you a link to his creativity notes. The post Building Stronger Magic with Bizzaro appeared first on Discourse in Magic.

This with Jonah connects with Bao Hoang to discuss how he’s grown as an online magician and his success in creating and selling unique collectible card sets. For a long time Bao still performed for corporate gigs and kids shows but ever since the pandemic he’s realized that the way he shares his magic is a lot more scalable as an online video, capable of reaching magnitudes more people than any live show would be able to do.  Creating The Content He Wish He’d Had Bao learned magic through online sources, and while he also has had wonderful connections made through local clubs in Montreal, he wanted to find a way to give back and create the kind of content he wished he had had when he was starting out. Even though he’s teaching basic entry level things, it was important to him that he was creating very high quality content and teaching it properly.  Bao breaks down with Jonah how he picks what he teaches, and his thoughts on teaching magic in a public forum like TikTok or YouTube. He also offers up some of his own advice for people getting started both as a magician and as an online content creator. And he shares the differences he’s found between creating content for YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok and how he’s learned to utilize each of those platforms strengths. Pick A Card Along with his online content, Bao is also responsible for the hugely successful Instant Noodle and Boba collectable playing cards. Bao shares with Jonah how these playing cards came to be and what it’s been like to market and develop these cards as well as discover which audiences he’s actually making them for.  Giving Value No matter if you are making content for YouTube or kickstarting a new project you have to always be thinking about your audience and what they want, because that’s the reason you’re doing content. You still want to enjoy what you’re creating but you have always have your audience in mind if you want to see your content grow. If you give value to people they’ll reciprocate that in the future. Wrap-Up Endless Chain Jason Mayer, Street Magician Dude. He’s been grinding since the beginning and has massive followings on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. What do you like about modern magic? What do you not like? Loves how it’s getting more attention in the mainstream media. It’s not as tacky and contributing to a modern image of real magicians.  What does Bao not like? While he has comments about Facebook magic, at the same time, he understands the grind. So while he’s not a big fan he totally understands the work that’s being put in. Take home point Give value to people. Plugs You can find Bao on every major social media platform by searching up the name Bao Magic. And if you’d like to look up his playing cards you should search for BaoBao Restaurant Playing Cards and you’ll find lots of retailers who still have cards in stock. The post Giving Value to your Online Magic with Bao Hoang appeared first on Discourse in Magic.

This week Jonah offers up his suggestions for the best software you can use to maximize your team’s potential.  If you have a growing magic business then you probably have an expanding team. And with that, you have to manage all of the documents and data and opinions and files and feelings of your team members. And to be able to communicate with your team is not an easy task. And certainly it’s not a task that you can just do over email. In this episode Jonah is going to walk you through five pieces of software that are going to make a huge difference. #1: Slack You might be asking yourself, aren’t there enough ways to message people? But what slack allows is for multiple people on your team who have to communicate with each other but when you don’t need to be the middleman as well.  Email is so old and ancient, you send a bulleted list of five topics and then they reply with a bulleted list of five topics. In slack, you can send different ideas, you can go back and forth, and it’s really, really great for conversations. So if you’ve got more than one team member or want to manage your conversations in a better place than your email inbox, Slack is a great first place to start.  #2: Zoom At this point in time, you already have Zoom and many of you are paying for Zoom. But here’s the twist. Here’s the thing you should do on zoom. It’s going to cost a little bit more money, but make a huge difference. And that is Cloud Recording.  Every time you get on a zoom call, you have the opportunity to set it to record. Why is that helpful? Well, it’s already going to record all of your shows, which is amazing, but the other reason why it’s helpful is if you meet with your team and you share with them advice and details, all of that is recorded and documented so that you and them can visit it and revisit it later.  You’ve got to be very meticulous about each phase of the project and not just write down what you remember or anything like that. So tool number two is not only Zoom, but Zoom Cloud Recording. So you can document the actual training and education and working with your team and have it with you. That begs an immediate question, which is, does that mean that after every recording I have to go to zoom and download the recording and send it off? And the answer is no. You want people on your team to be able to have access to that recording. How do they have access? Do you give them a password? Well, you could, but there’s an incredible third piece of software that Jonah wants to recommend #3: Lastpass What LastPass is great for is you can add multiple people and add folders, which means you have a folder with a bunch of different passwords that you can share with other people on your team. And the way it works is they cannot see the password, but they can just use it. So that means other people on your team can use your Zoom password to login and download the recordings of the videos. You do not have to go into it for them and send it to them and slow down the back and forth. Instead they have access to your Zoom account and access to plenty of other things that they need access to. #4: Loom There’s a bunch of different other options other than Loom, but this one is the most popular. What loom is, is a very, very quick and speedy way to either record a video of your face or record a screen recording of your screen. Why is that important? Well, this is hands down the easiest way to communicate with your team, the way that you’re feeling and thinking your wants and your needs. When having a meeting, maybe you’ve got staff in different places around the world, and you may not be able to meet at the same time, but exchanging a video where you’re able to share your screen, talk freely, talk about how you feel and they’re able to watch through it, having that kind of ability to send a video and not have to write out every last detail of how you’re feeling, but instead send a video either of your screen or of yourself describing your opinion makes a huge, huge impact in your ability to communicate with your team. And that’s what all this stuff is about. It’s about streamlining communication, about making your community as easy and as smooth as possible. Loom is kind of your meeting replacement. You don’t have to have a meeting. If you can send a little recording with your notes or ideas or feedback or whatever the case may be. #5 Asana Asana is a task managing software. You can use it for a ton of things like setting deadlines or making projects, but the way that Jonah uses it is making projects with. You have tasks and using Loom you’re able to assign tasks to people, able to set due dates, give descriptions, and if you want to go back and see your projects in the past, you don’t have to scroll through hundreds of emails and back and forth. It’s all in one place, exactly where it should be.  If you build Asana, or any of these task trackers into your business, then it’s not an extra step to be organized. Being organized is the way you run your business. When you ask one of the people on your team to do something, you ask them to do it by assigning it as a task in Asana. Sign Up For The Mastermind Those are five pieces of software that will make a huge difference for you if you are working with a team. If you would like more help with this than chat with Jonah on Facebook. Send him a message with the word “TEAM” if you want some help working with your team and see if we can help. There’s about a dozen people in the mastermind right now and most of them are working with other team members and utilizing some of the software. So we’d love to have you aboard if you want some help with. To learn more about the workshops and mastermind programs that Jonah offers visit discourseinmagic.com/upgrade-academy The post Magic Appetizer: Software For Your Team appeared first on Discourse in Magic.

Ben Train pops in to offer some important tips to help you overcome any fear you may have surrounding performing the magic tricks that you’ve been practicing on. For those of you who don’t know Ben, he is Jonah’s housemate, his business partner, and the better looking half of their duo act (his words). And over the next few months, Ben is going to be doing a series of short podcasts dedicated to helping you become better and more confident performers. Ben has been doing magic for about 25 years and for the first 10 or so years of that, he loved magic, practiced magic, but refused to show people tricks. It didn’t matter who was asking, whether it was friends or family, or even complete strangers. When they asked to see a trick, Ben would freeze up, his mind would go blank and he would have to come up with an excuse for why he didn’t want to share something. If that sounds like a problem that you’re dealing with, Ben can empathize. Showing magic to people when you don’t know who you’re going to be showing it to, when you don’t know what to say, and when you don’t know if they’re going to like it, that is scary. So, Ben has some tips that’ll help you get out there, to get over that hump, and start showing magic. For the purpose of this episode we’re going to assume that you already know some tricks and you’ve practiced them so that they’re ready to be shown to people. If you’re still practicing, don’t worry, you’ve got plenty of time, but assuming you have some tricks ready to go, what do you do so that you can start showing them to people? Well, Ben thinks it starts by asking yourself three very important questions. Who do you want to perform for? Where do you want to perform? And what is it that you will be performing now?  Who Do You Want To Perform For? If you’re not a professional magician, you don’t have to be ready to perform in every situation. You don’t have to be an expert at kid magic, stand up magic, stage magic, close-up magic, and adult magic. You can pick which audience you want to perform for. Obviously, performing for drunk adults is different from performing for children. So if you feel like you’re more comfortable performing for kids, that’s who you’re going to target with your performances. If you want to perform for your friends in school or buddies at work, you know who you’re planning on performing for.  Where Do You Want To Perform? You don’t have to be an expert at everything. You can pick and say, “I want to do close-up magic for people when I go out for drinks”. Or you can say, “on the bus on the way to school, I want to be able to show someone a trick”. Knowing who you’re planning on performing for and where you’re planning on performing gives you the tools you need to pick the right trick to do. And this is very important. We’re not trying to figure out how to put together an entire act that we can perform all over the world. Right now, we’re just trying to work up the courage. We need to start performing for people in our lives.  What Will You Perform? You don’t have to come up with an entire set list of material. You just have to pick one trick that you’re going to practice. One trick that you’re going to do for a specific audience and in a specific setting. And if you do that, suddenly you’ll notice that you have a lot more confidence because you feel more prepared. Know thy enemy, know the battlefield and you are prepared to bring the tools you need to conquer those enemies or battlefields. Think about it like a UFC fighter. A UFC fighter trained specifically for the match ahead of him, a grappler you train for differently than you’re going to train for a striker, for instance. So if you know you’re going to be doing that for a specific group, and you’re going to be doing it in a specific place, and you know the trick you’re going to do, you can prepare yourself in advance both mentally and physically to do that.  Now we’re not talking about becoming an expert in performing in every situation. That comes later. Right now, you’re going to focus on one group for one type of setting and one specific trick. And once you perform that a few times for people, you will be confident because you’ll know the trick works, the audience likes it, and it works in that type of setting. And now you will have one piece that is ready to go in your repertoire and you can start working on the next one. And before you know it, you’ll be ready to rock and roll and do magic whenever you want to.  Reach Out For More Help Reach out if you have more questions by sending an email to info@discourseinmagic.com. We’re going to be doing a series of these helpful tips. And if you want to follow more, if you want to get more tips, and if you want to be involved in some of the fun workshops we’re planning on doing visit discourseinmagic.com/updates and join the Discourse In Magic Facebook group, because we’ve got a lot of fun stuff planned. The post How to Get Over Your Fear of Performing with Ben Train appeared first on Discourse in Magic.

This workshop covers strategies to double magic business earnings, including lead generation, confident pricing, packaging, marketing, client perception, automation, and work-life balance. Jonah emphasizes the importance of systems, delegation, and scaling up to avoid burnout and achieve success.

This week Jonah connects with David Regal to discuss writing magic for television and the innovative ways that David approaches magic. David’s trick creation is incredible. And not only is his sleight of hand amazing but so is his writing. Among his multiple writing credits, David was also the head writer for The Carbonaro Effect. Interpreting Magic As much as David loves performing he especially loves the process. In theatre and film the concept of a screenwriter is much more common but not so in the world of magic but that’s where David talks a lot about with Jonah in his work helping to write for and develop magic.  David’s books, Approaching Magic and Interpreting Magic, are all about challenging the status quo in the magic world and encouraging the joy and innovation that can come when magicians embrace the interpretive nature of magic as an artform. Writing Magic For Television Among his many writing credits, David is also the head writer for The Carbonaro Effect. Starring Michael Carbonaro, the show sets up moments in the real world where the subject in the scene is unaware that magic is currently being performed around them. The titular effect is the belief that something is shattering their world view of what is possible. David opens up about what it was like writing for The Carbonaro Effect and how he had to explain to the show producers that what they were doing was not a magic show at all but was utilizing magic to create a very strange day for the “mark” on the show.   Developing Judgement Judgement is a rare thing and the reason, David believes, that a lot of performers are as good as they are is because they have exceptionally good judgement as to what makes a good effect. The really good performers either have this judgement or have a group of people around them who bring that judgement to the table with them. Without good judgement you won’t have good magic.  Wrap-Up Endless Chain Armando Lucero is such a strong performer and a very soulful guy. Just speak to him.  And Rocco Silano is a real thinker in magic. He does a dazzling stand up act and his persona is very… debonair. He’s a very thoughtful, almost philosophical, magician. What do you like about modern magic? What do you not like? David love’s Penn & Teller’s [Fool Us]. Magic is held back when the audience doesn’t even understand what good magic is and making the American audience understand that this is an interpretive art will go hand in hand with more artists interpreting it. David does not like the other side of interpretation though when magicians seek out the full proof perfect effect. What screws up interpretation is there are effects that if you just do them well are great tricks but if you find the greatest tricks that work every time then you’ll end up doing the exact same tricks as the other magician who has those same tricks.  Take home point “Make sure that when you’ve done all the other work… that you’re putting in an idea of your own into it. If it’s the tiniest thing, it can be a one word thing, but that’s really what it’s all about.  You’ll enjoy performing much more and the audience will always sense… your connection to the material”  Plugs You can follow up with David by visiting David Regal’s website at davidregal.com The post Approaching Magic With Innovation With David Regal appeared first on Discourse in Magic.

Jonah welcomes you to the new year and new plans for Discourse in Magic in 2022. Whether you are using your magic to perform full-time, are just wanting to perform for friends, or get better at magic, the thing that’s in common between anybody listening to this podcast is we are trying to get better, trying to perform better, and trying to make better magic, trying to make more money, and trying to run a better business. So this year we wanted to update you on some of the projects that are coming your way.  Less Interviews, More Content Jonah has interviewed a LOT of people on Discourse in Magic and only has a handful of remaining people that he really, really needs to interview. But that doesn’t mean the podcast is going anywhere just yet and we do have some important people that we’re excited to share. This means you should expect less interviews than last year, probably about two a month. But that is because we are making room for growth and there’s going to be two main focuses. Growing Your Business The first is going to be about business. As you know, Jonah runs two different coaching programs. One for people who are getting their magic businesses started by trying to get to earning $3,000 to $5,000 a month. And another one for people who are trying to explode and scale their magic business, like six figures and beyond. And over the course of the past couple years, Jonah has learned a lot and he wants you to learn a ton too. So, every month you are going to get some education that comes right from the coaching programs and the ways that Jonah is helping magicians right now to make money.  And if you’re thinking that you’re not really into doing magic for the money and you just want to perform more, do more magic, and perform better then the good news is that we are so pumped to share with you that we are going to be doing that thanks to new content from Ben Train. Growing Your Magic Ben Train is going to also share with you a once a month education series for you on growing your magic performance. These clips will be coming from live training sessions that we are going to be doing, where you can ask questions and actually work on different parts of your magic. Such as getting prepared for shows, getting prepared to perform for good audiences, scripting your magic, making your magic better, working on the methods, and so on.  If that sounds exciting for you, then hit updates on this very site and sign up for the newsletter, because that is where you’re going to be invited to be a part of all of this fun and will be invited to be a part of these podcast episodes that are recorded and released later.  Stay Tuned For A Sample To whet your appetite for the new style of the podcast, Jonah also offers up two micro lessons in this episode to help you build on your magic business and magic performance. How do you price your shows? And what is the most important thing to focus on during your rehearsals? Make sure you listen to the end of this episode to hear Jonah’s tips for you. We are excited to have you all here, and happy 2022. And we hope you look forward to the next series of episodes this month and next which will help you with your magic business and to help you get performance ready and perform for more people more often. The post New Year, New Podcast appeared first on Discourse in Magic.

This week Jonah has a very short message for you going into the final week of the holiday season. Three simple things that can’t go unsaid before the year is out. Thing 1: This Is Our 300th Episode! This is our three-hundredth episode. Many of you have been listening since the beginning of the podcast. Maybe you started listening a week ago, or a year ago, or five years ago when this started, but this is the 300th episode. And all Jonah wants to say is, “Thank you”.  Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for tuning in. Thanks for being a part of this journey. It’s changed. It’s been strange. Jonah used to do it with his business partner, Tyler, and together they interviewed amazing magicians. He’s interviewed other incredible magicians since and started a coaching program. You’ve listened through the launch of the Toronto Magic Company and through the transition to virtual and so much more. Thanks for being here for 300 episodes. Thing 2: What’s Coming Up in 2022 Next year, Jonah is really leaning into making some awesome content for magicians. He will have regular content to help you grow your business and regular events that you can attend to help you make your magic better. Things to help you with your effect selection, with your scripting, with your performance, with your workshopping of your tricks and making them better. We have content scheduled for the entire year that you can be a part of.  This podcast is going to look a little bit different coming into 2022 with more fun things for you to be a part of. And if you know what’s good for you, sign up for the email list! That’s how you can actually be a part of these workshops and a part of these lectures and get some of the free stuff that is coming your way.  Thing 3: Take A Break, You’ve Earned It This was maybe a big year for you virtually or maybe not. It may be a big year for returning to in-person and then Omicron and the holidays and 2022 and all of that coming by. So make sure to take a little break this holiday season. That might mean a couple days off or that may mean a week off to spend with your family. And from us, everybody here at Discourse in Magic and the Toronto Magic Company, we want to thank you for being a part of all of the fun, strange journeys that have been going on in 2021. We wish you a happy new year, a happy holidays, and we are excited to see you and work together on making your magic and maybe your business better in 2022. The post Happy Holidays from Discourse in Magic appeared first on Discourse in Magic.