

Discourse in Magic
Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams
Jonah Babins from Discourse in Magic tackles magic’s hardest issues, theories, philosophies, discussion, and more to help you explore. He jumps into all sorts of magic, and resources, and most importantly actionable tips to help better the art and become a killer performer!
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Jan 26, 2017 • 1h 13min
Using Magic to Spread an Important Message with Chad Juros
In episode 43 we sit with Chad Juros to tell us his story of magic. I’ll save most of the details for the episode itself, but I can provide you with a short version of Chads incredible story.
Chad was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukaemia as a child. During many of his years and months at the hospital Chads father brought magic to help take his mind off of things. That repeated itself a second round as Chad returned to the hospital a few years later. Fast forward a few years more and Chad ended up performing magic for his father bedside in the hospital. His father was was given under a year to live after discovering brain tumors.
You can imagine the heart ache that has been brought to a family, childhood cancer, and death of a parent, but Chad responds with positivity and fulfilling his fathers dying wishes to continue to spread his magic wherever he goes.
With his fathers final wishes Chad builds a foundation called Spread the Magic. In it Chad is able to help struggling patients, and is able to perform magic and help kids get their mind off of the illnesses that are ailing them.
Chad turns quite an eye opening story, into an inspiring piece. Most importantly he shares how he took that story and used it to drive what he does today. Using your experiences, ideas and talents to help the world are some of the best tools that you can use.
In this episode we chat about the segment that he had with David Copperfield on Good Morning America. The clip is below, and I highly recommend you watch it, it compliments the episodes very well!
He’s also been on Fool Us, and yes, we attached it below
If you want to get in touch with chad feel free to contact him below on social media, from his website, or check out his new promo video!
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Jan 19, 2017 • 0sec
Live in Toronto – Views, Comments, and Awesome Magic Content with Chris Ramsay, Eric Leclerc, and Wes Barker
Welcome to our first ever live show!
We invited Wes Barker, Eric Leclerc and Chris Ramsay to Toronto to record an episode but we said HEY, why don’t we invite the local magicians too. SO WE DID!
And it was a blast!
Take a look!
from left: Jonah Babins, Chris Ramsay, Eric Leclerc, Wes Barker, Tyler Williams (Thanks to Eric Jackson for the photo)
Currently if you want to see the live video from the event, you can check our Facebook page. But we’ll be taking it down shortly since Chris Ramsay is planning on releasing some footage from the event on his account, and it’ll be better than what my iphone + tripod shot.
We touched on topics like interacting with you fans, managing the regular creation of content, what is good magic content, creating under a tight time frame, new ideas, clickbait magic and tons of other topics that matter to you. If you have every worried about your magic content not being good enough or not getting enough views you’ll probably enjoy the episode.
More than that there’s quite a bit of jokes and antics in the episode because put these 3 guys on stage with alcohol and you get something different that on stage with a deck of cards.
We dipped into all major channels from TV to Youtube, to Facebook and even into Vine for a little bit, we spent most of the time talking about Youtube. If you want to check out what these guys have been up to you, I’ll link below to some awesome videos from their accounts!
Chris Ramsay
Wes Barker
Eric Leclerc
Leave a comment below, and let us know what you thought of the live show?
Should we do a live show in your city? Let us know!
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Jan 12, 2017 • 0sec
Secrets to Outreach and Building Relationships with Caroline Ravn
In this episode Tyler and I sit down with Caroline to chat all about everything it takes to build a community and following.
Caroline Ravn is the queens of outreach. In the episode she gives us tips about how to get published in an article.
Want to hear how to do it?…. You build a friendship with people in charge, you pitch them stories of your fantastic life, and you reach out to them with deadlines to take on your new stories?
One more thing….
When they ask for an interview they are going to want to come to YOUR HOUSE. Make sure there are cookies in the oven. Something so simple swill translate into the best articles written about you!
On top of doing a great job for print media, her social media is on point as well. Mainly Instagram.
The keys to Instagram are a little bit different. Daily photos, fan engagement, and sharing the amazing work of her peers. Hard work!! But clearly it pays off!
Caroline is storming through magic and laying her path in the process! She’s seems to be doing what everyone else is doing except faster and better.
Make sure to check out her social media below, particularly her Instagram!
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Dec 29, 2016 • 1h 15min
Why Being Sincere Means Connecting with Your Audience with Asi Wind
If you don’t know who Asi Wind is, I recommend stopping the podcast episode and checking him out.
Google, or Youtube or whatever. You’ll find him..
Not only has he released incredible effects that have ROCKED the magic community like Double Exposure, Catch 23, and more recently Gypsy Queens but he is also a leading magical thinker.
Thankfully I was able to spend some time with him at the 2015 Motor City Magic Convention, and Sorcerers Safari!
Bot otherwise not a ton of places online to show how great his non-method brain is eh?…….
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If you’re even somewhat cultured and up to date with magic and you watched the recent David Blaine special you might have seen Asi in it. Not just his face, but you could see Asi’s fingerprints in a ton of Davids work too. Especially on some late night TV, and promo for the recent special!
In this episode of DIM we cover many topics but the plot that holds true for the full episode is “sincerity“. It took just one example to make it clear.
To paraphrase: ‘ If you think the weight on the ink of a card isn’t an interesting plot, why do you think your audience does’.
What Asi shares is that it’s important the we respect our audience. Respect them by performing things that we enjoy, and that resonate with us! People come to the theatre to see YOU and YOUR SHOW. Which means they care about what YOU are interested in.
Why do an invisible deck like hundreds of others?
More than anything his mentality shines through in his magic and other hobbies: “be a student forever”. If you think you know everything about magic right now, it’s time to think again.
Finally Asi gives us some snips from his upcoming book. (That’s right! Asi is coming out with a book soon!).
If you want to check out some of his products you can here: https://www.artofmagic.com/products/asi-wind
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Dec 22, 2016 • 1h 16min
How to Master Fringe Festivals with Keith Brown
If you’ve ever wondered how to get into a Fringe Festival, what it is, how to use it to make money and why you would want to do it, you’re in the right place.
In episode 38 Keith Brown lays it all out for us.
Fringe. What is it?
Every year in cities all around the world there are theatre festivals under the “Fringe” name.
It’s a festival that last typically 10-14 days with theatre shows, everything from comedy to student plays, to magic. Some of the smaller ones like Regina are 5 days, But fringe is a festival that happens all over the world! Bigger ones like Australia last a month.
Best of all, the performers are either first come first serve or picked from a lottery, which means next year, you or I could have the same chances of making it as Keith
If you want to figure out how to apply, or anything else that you need to know this is the official Fringe Festival website (each cities festival has their own website, but this is a great resource to find them!
fringefestivals.com
Also here is an AMAZING resource from a friend of Keiths:
samsmullins.com
Between the URL above, this episode, and the open invitation to contact Keith with any questions, you have no excuses!
As Keith explains in the episode the beauty of the Fringe festival is that it’s an opportunity for you to put on show after show after show, and they cannot sensor what you do. That means that this is the time to find out if the fun art and ideas that you have in your mind produce great theatre when they come to reality. A Fringe tour is the perfect place for you to do a routine dozens and dozens of times.
Keith really helps us out by holding nothing back. He’s honest about exactly what it takes. While there seems to be a sea of benefits to joining a fringe festival, like anything it requires work. Keith shows us exactly what to do, and how to engage with people at the fringe festival and invite them to your show.
Most importantly he reminds us of something that is incredibly important going in. You and the other fringe performers are all on the same team. You all want to promote each others shows, you are teammates and not competitors. Having that mentality is one of the most important lessons that Keith gave us from fringe.
Since such a big part of the festivals success is word of mouth, you need to be on your best behaviour, do some favours, and win some friends. They could help make or break the success of your show!
If you want to check out more about Keith you can follow his website, or check him out on social media (PARTICULARLY INSTAGRAM STORIES :))
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Dec 15, 2016 • 1h 1min
How to Make Your Show About You with Chris Funk
If you’ve ever seen anything that Chris Funk has ever done (which you probably have) you know how special what he does is.
His performance and effects are like no other. His presentations are unique. They’re about himself, his past, interests and the things around him. He’s not afraid to add dynamics to the show that other people don’t: Personal stories, live music, and major theatrics.
Chris funk is the master of makign a show that is reflective of himself
That’s exactly what we spoke to him about in this weeks episode.
When we came at the episode we were asking about how to craft a show and looking for tactics, but Chris made the truth clear. Have an amazing show, and everything else will fall into place.
It seemed like every single question was answered with the same idea. Making sure that you’re show is made out of things that relate to you, describe you, and help you share your ideas. Otherwise there is no way to stand out.
If you don’t know what I mean by stand out here are some of the videos that Chris Funk has starred in on TV (and now youtube)
It was great because we received not only the much needed motivation to make your shows about ourselves but that he also gave us the advice about how to do that!
It seems like some of the things that are at the root of all of this is scripting, effect selection, transitions, mindful marketing, originality of performance and thoughtfulness.
I shall close this article with the same as the close the episode
“Magic is the only talent you can buy” – Steve Martin
Let’s prove him wrong shall we?
As always I would love to know what you think about the episode, and share in the comments below!
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Dec 8, 2016 • 1h 23min
The Value of a Great Introduction and How to Tweak Your Show with James Alan
We sit down with Toronto’s own James Alan to discuss some of the finer details of crafting a show. This episode was particularly exciting because James has been a fan of the show. Not only did he come prepared, but he was also able to blast misconceptions that we had spoken about in previous episodes.
The most out of the box idea that we spoke about was creating your own intros. While that seemed to come naturally out of the situation, and would seem standard for any magician, it often goes both not written or worse, not thought out.
Since he’s produced a ton of shows he can recognize those little tiny things that add up over time which makes the difference. That’s exactly what this episode was about.
We tend to often talk in big ideas in Discourse in Magic, and James really helped us slow down to understand that it’s the little things that count the most. The subtleties.
Another idea that came up is standing your ground. Especially when you’ve defined your character, you need to be able to see that some things might fit into your show but other things might not, and you need to be aware of that.
We also touch on standing your ground when it comes to less than pleasant Gigs. Like many things it all depends on where you are in your magic career, what stage you’re at.
The stage you’re at in your magic helps dictate a lot of things. It dictates the business that you do, but also dictates the process of implementing magic in your show when you don’t have a lot of expirience.
Putting together a show might mean doing more tricks than you have rehearsed. While late in a career, you know exactly what tricks take exactly how long, and have exactly what reaction. It gets’s harder and harder to swap things out.
I would love to know what you think of the episode in the comments below!
Thanks
Ps. You should Follow James On Twitter, he shares some funny stuff!
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Nov 24, 2016 • 0sec
Tools, Tips, and Tricks to Having TV Quality Magic with Justin Willman
You know him from Comedy Network! You’ve watched his Viral Videos! You know him Cupcake Wars (okay maybe not) the one and only Justin Willman joins us on the podcast!
If you’ve never heard of Justin pause the episode and go watch this!
Willman has a great approach to Magic on TV and on Youtube. One of the unique approaches that we haven’t heard is a real fight for quality over quantity online. Most advice is “start producing amazing content regularly”. Now it’s a given that quality is important. But to put it first over quantity is unique advice.
The other thing which is an important distinction is that Justin is not producing online content to make money online. He doesn’t sell magic tricks. He wants people to book him for more stage time and fill more seats. People often forget that producing content on youtube does not make you a YOUTUBER. That’s a good thing. You don’t need to vlog. You can just make 1 or 2 or 5 GREAT VIDEOS.
While we think he’s the expert on TV. Some of the videos that he’s produced on the internet have been amazing. Specifically the ones that have to do with his recent wedding. We spoke about them in the episode but they’re worth watching:
More than anything Justin is a the king at making sure his magic has purpose. If you just watch his Comedy Network special you’ll understand how great of a job he does at being current. Tricks about Social media, Pot (since it’s pretty IN right now), technology advances and other very topical subjects.
His magic magic makes sense!
Check out his recent video about social change that we were talking about in the episode!
So! If this is the first time that you’ve heard of Justin (doubt it!) then you should Subscribe on youtube and check out his other social medias
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Nov 17, 2016 • 1h 19min
Magic Consulting and Making Your Own Inspiration with Daniel Garcia
In this perfectly timed episodes days after David Blaine’s special we have the very bright Daniel Garcia telling us about the ups and downs for consulting. Garcia consults for many of the major TV magicians including Cyril, Dynamo and of course David Blaine.
With projects under his belt like The Ultragaff Deck, Garcia projects, Bent Touch Slink, Torn, Torn Too an countless videos projects and lectures all over the world. There is no surprise that this guy is one of the most highly recommended magic consultants around.
In this episode we walk through some ways to be creative in the morning if you can handle it. It has to do with using the creativity that your brain has in the morning, and then creating magi from your first hand creative thoughts later. I recommend listening to the episode to hear the way that Garcia walks through it
If you haven’t caught Garcia’s last major appearance, on the project he was working on: the new David Blaine special. If you haven’t checked it out, here it is:
UPDATE: JK the link is broken. Rights and stuff. Bummer I guess
Garcia gives us prime advice for how to get creativity and inspiration from things like a book cover.
I don’t want to give away too much, cause it was an awesome episode, but here’s episode 33 with Daniel Garcia
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Nov 10, 2016 • 0sec
Magicians Guide to Mastering Every Social Media Platform with Justin Flom
If you’re reading this it means you care about modern media and social media. For that you are already a winner.
Of course it’s not as easy as signing up for social media accounts to get fans, you need to make quality content. If there’s anything to take out of the episode overall is that you need to start producing content today.
While sometimes people are smart enough to come up with a ‘formulaic’ way to make a viral video, or viral content, the way to learn how to do that is by doing it. If you want to videos? Start recording. Podcast? Do it up. Amazing Instagram photos? do your best.
You need to be a content creator.
The most important thing that we learned from Flom in this is that he came into magic with the approach of TV first. I think that’s a great approach especially in todays age. The way that you look in footage and online is almost as important as your show. More and more that’s the place where potential clients book you first. That might even be the place where the bulk of your fans live. Making sure that you content is TV ready, or more TV quality. you can share it.
While I couldn’t do a justice to the details that we went in in the episodes here are some tips about each social media platform (and our links to go follow us)
How to Master Each Platform
Facebook
As Justin explains on Facebook since they’re scrolling through the content, you need to catch their attention, and can be watched on silent. A ton of people watch videos on silent, and you need to have something that’s going to get their attention immediately!
Twitter
This platform is hopeless for growth. Here’s my advice, ask good questions to semi-famous people and tag them. You’ll be blown away that they respond, and that other people like it, retweet it and follow it!
Instagram
Also tough. Although we don’t give great advice in the episode here is my advice. Since it’s curated content, people care about their Instagrams. In niches specifically, there are communities that form on Instagram. Make sure to engage in others, like often follow others and comment on others. Make sure you produce regularly
Snapchat/Instagram Stories
It’s tough now, but the lesson we got from Justin in the episode was to get in early. Justin was in on snapchat very early, and with that was able to build a massive community of people who follow him. The other thing is that snapchat is good if you have an exciting life. It’s hard to provide exciting daily content if you have a desk job. Most importantly you have to upload daily
Vine
Vine is dead. (The links goes to Instagram)
There are a TON more details in the episode about how to master social media as well as some other forms of media.
If you want our social media guide head over to: discourseinmagic.com/social-media-guide-magicians
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