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Apr 2, 2021 • 42min
Lex Sokolin, ConsenSys CMO & Fintech Futurist - Fintech Trends, Defi, & Digital Collectibles
On today’s episode, Ryan Zauk sits down with Lex Sokolin, CMO, Chief Economist, and Global Fintech Co-Head at ConsenSys, the world’s leading Ethereum software company.
Lex also runs the Fintech Blueprint, an amazing fintech subscription newsletter. Before ConsenSys, Lex worked in strategy at Lehman Brothers before getting a JD MBA from Columbia. At Columbia he founded NestEgg, a private label robo, later selling it to AdvisorEngine, then worked in research at Autonomous Research.
Lex is a fintech and technology futurist in every sense of the word, always writing at the intersection of finance, tech, law, philosophy, economics, and sociology. We are a huge fan of his work here at Wharton Fintech!
Fintech Blueprint: https://lex.substack.com/
In today’s episode, Ryan & Lex discuss:
- The deep meanings behind his career decision making, breaking from gold-star chasing to startups and now frontier technology
- How Duchamp's "Fountain" can help people understand NFTs
- How a conversation with a Deloitte exec turned him into a budding futurist
- What ConsenSys is and how it works with the crypto ecosystem
- His predictions for Defi and the road to mass adoption
- His boredom with fintech super apps, robo advisors, and neobanks
- Why Google Pay is going to kill many fintechs
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Mar 31, 2021 • 26min
S&P Global CEO, Doug Peterson - The Future of Finance, Power of Data, and Global Business Trends
Miguel Armaza is joined by Doug Peterson, President and CEO of S&P Global (NYSE: SPGI), one of the largest companies in the US that specializes in providing ratings, benchmarks, analytics and data to the capital and commodity markets worldwide.
Prior to S&P, Doug held multiple leadership positions at Citigroup, including roles around the world as CEO of Citi Japan, Uruguay, and Costa Rica. He is also a proud alumni of our very own, Wharton School!
In this episode, we talk about:
- Doug’s journey, from childhood in New Mexico, to international student in South America, to global corporate leader.
- The important role that Wharton had on his career and how it sparked his love for Finance
- Why S&P Global is focusing on data analytics and artificial intelligence and how it has built a fintech portfolio around these topics
- The rise of Environmental, Social, and Governance factors in capital markets around the world, particularly over the last year
- Leadership advice and Doug’s approach to managing an organization with tens of thousands of professionals
- The important difference between visiting and actually living in a new place and why he actively pursued an international career from early on
- And a whole lot more...
Douglas L. Peterson
Doug Peterson has served as President, Chief Executive Officer and a member of the Board of Directors of S&P Global since 2013. He joined the Company in 2011 as President of Standard & Poor’s Ratings Services.
Mr. Peterson has repositioned S&P Global to power the global capital and commodity markets of the future with transparent, innovative and independent credit ratings, benchmarks, analytics and data. His long-term business strategy for S&P Global focuses on six key priorities essential to the Company’s ongoing growth and success: global expansion, customer orientation, technology, innovation, operational excellence and people.
Previously, Mr. Peterson was the Chief Operating Officer of Citibank, N.A., Citigroup’s principal banking entity that operates in more than 100 countries. Mr. Peterson was with Citigroup for 26 years. His prior roles include CEO of Citigroup Japan, Chief Auditor of Citigroup, Country Manager for Uruguay, and earlier he served as Country Manager for Costa Rica.
Mr. Peterson is a member of the Boards of Directors of Business Roundtable, the Japan Society, the National Bureau of Economic Research, and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the New York Stock Exchange Board Advisory Council and the U.S.-India CEO Forum. He is co-chair of the World Economic Forum’s Stewardship Board of the Platform for Shaping the Future of Cities, Infrastructure and Urban Services. In addition, he serves on the Advisory Boards of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation’s Systemic Resolution Advisory Committee, the US-China Business Council and the Kravis Leadership Institute, and the Boards of Trustees of Claremont McKenna College and the Paul Taylor Dance Company.
Mr. Peterson received an MBA from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania and an undergraduate degree from Claremont McKenna College.
About S&P Global
S&P Global (NYSE: SPGI) is the world's foremost provider of credit ratings, benchmarks and analytics in the global capital and commodity markets, offering ESG solutions, deep data and insights on critical economic, market and business factors. We've been providing essential intelligence that unlocks opportunity, fosters growth and accelerates progress for more than 160 years. Our divisions include S&P Global Ratings, S&P Global Market Intelligence, S&P Dow Jones Indices and S&P Global Platts. For more information, visit www.spglobal.com.
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Mar 29, 2021 • 32min
Upstart CEO Dave Girouard - Revolutionizing Lending and Taking a Fintech Public on the Nasdaq!
In today's episode, Ryan Zauk sits down with Dave Girouard, Founder & CEO of the recently IPO’d Fintech, Upstart.
Upstart is an online lending marketplace that provides personal loans using 1,600+ non-traditional variables, such as education and employment, to predict creditworthiness.
If you listened to our episode the other week with Chi Chi Wu of the National Consumer Law Center, you know credit and lending is a huge issue in America (https://soundcloud.com/wft/credit-reporting-and-consumer-protection-chi-chi-wu-national-consumer-law-center)
Upstart is using artificial intelligence and rigorous machine learning to attack this issue, making it not only a great company, but a wonderful mission.
In today’s episode, Ryan and Dave discuss:
3:30 – What exactly is Upstart?
6:44 – The current state of credit scores and how Upstart is upending the traditional credit score
10:57 – What needed to be true for banks to trust Upstart?
13:19 - How he navigated the regulatory environment, who he hired, and what a no-action letter is
15:39 – How COVID affected his business
18:40 – Why it was time to IPO, why he questions SPACs, and why raising private money was really, really hard
21:50 – How the IPO was different from private rounds and the importance of momentum
23:00 – The toughest challenges he faced as a founder
25:15 – His decision-making framework for leaving an amazing role at Google and founding Upstart...including the long conversations he had with his wife that made him take the plunge
26:24 – A rapid-fire round including his thoughts on bitcoin, where he was when the IPO bell rang, his favorite dinner meal before a long work night, first covid vacation and more!
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Mar 28, 2021 • 35min
Rally Co-Founder, Rob Petrozzo - Investing in Collectibles & Building a 21st Century Portfolio
Miguel Armaza is joined by the talented Rob Petrozzo, Co-Founder and Chief Product Officer at Rally, a groundbreaking platform for buying & selling equity shares in collectible assets, that aims to give every investor a 21st Century Portfolio.
The company has raised close to $30 million, from top industry investors like Upfront Ventures, Anthemis, Porsche Ventures, Alexis Ohanian, and many more.
We discussed:
- Rob’s winding road from artist to entrepreneur
- Working with his co-founders and why they bring the perfect balance of personalities
- Challenges and stories from building Rally and their vision of a 21st century portfolio
- Operating with collectible luxury items like cars and art pieces, and the important question of whether they get to test-drive all those incredible cars
- The importance of building a community and why most people confuse community and monetization
- His vision for the future of Rally
- And a lot more!
About Rally
Rally is a platform for buying & selling equity shares in collectible assets. Together, we rally to make investing behind ideas, emotions, and communities safe, easy, and accessible. The result… A 21st Century Portfolio, for everyone.

Mar 26, 2021 • 23min
Apply Now! Techstars & Western Union Accelerator Lead Elle Bruno
Miguel Armaza sits down with Elle Bruno, Managing Director of the Techstars & Western Union Accelerator.
Armed with 19 years of experience as a founder, startup operator, and angel investor, Elle now leads the Techstars/Western Union accelerator focused on identifying innovative and disruptive startups working on cross border and cross-currency money movement for consumers and commercial businesses.
In fact, if you are an entrepreneur in this category or know someone who’d be a good candidate, be it in the US or an emerging market around the world, make sure to apply by April 7, 2021.
Apply Here -> https://bit.ly/2QE16FM
Company Stage -> MVP+
Categories within fintech:
- Alternative Financial Services Offerings (lending, emerging market asset management, P2P lending)
- Payments and Remittance
- KYC, AML, Compliance
- Digital ID, Fraud Detection
- Settlement and Transaction Processing
- Digital Banking and Neo Banks
- SMB emerging market POS
Elle Bruno
Elle Bruno is the Managing Director of the Techstars & Western Union Accelerator. Elle has been a founder and startup operator for 19 years. In 2004 she started her first company, an eBay ancillary marketplace, and since then she has been involved in building three venture-backed startups, most notably Trunk Club. Her expertise is in consumer tech, specifically revenue and growth. Elle has been an angel investor and advisor since 2015, with a focus on investing in female-founded companies, and was an EIR in the 2020 Techstars & Western Union program.
About Techstars
Techstars is the worldwide network that helps entrepreneurs succeed. Techstars founders connect with other entrepreneurs, experts, mentors, alumni, investors, community leaders, and corporations to grow their companies. Techstars operates three divisions: Techstars Startup Programs, Techstars Mentorship-Driven Accelerator Programs, and Techstars Corporate Innovation Partnerships. Techstars accelerator portfolio includes more than 1,700 companies with a market cap of $20 Billion.
www.techstars.com
About Western Union
The Western Union Company (NYSE: WU) is a global leader in cross-border, cross-currency money movement. Our omnichannel platform connects the digital and physical worlds and makes it possible for consumers and businesses to send and receive money and make payments with speed, ease, and reliability. As of March 31, 2019, our network included over 550,000 retail agent locations offering Western Union, Vigo or Orlandi Valuta branded services in more than 200 countries and territories, with the capability to send money to billions of accounts and mobile wallets. Additionally, westernunion.com, our fastest growing channel in 2018, is available in approximately 70 countries, plus additional territories, to move money around the world. With our global reach, Western Union moves money for better, connecting family, friends and businesses to enable financial inclusion and support economic growth. For more information, visit www.westernunion.com.

Mar 24, 2021 • 37min
Bessemer Venture Partners' Charles Birnbaum - Fintech Infra, Wealth Management, and Thesis Investing
In today's episode, Ryan Zauk sits down with Charles Birnbaum, Partner at Bessemer Venture Partners, one of the world’s oldest & most successful venture capital firms. Charles joins the show fresh off of Bessemer’s $3.3B raise in February across two funds.
Charles is a proud Wharton alum, joining the MBA program after a long stint on Wall Street. He then was employee #10 at Foursquare before joining Bessemer.
In today’s episode, they cover:
- His transitions from sell-side to MBA to startups to VC, and doing “tech” way before it was a normal part of the Wharton path (2:50)
- Bessemer's structure & emphasis on thesis-driven investing (8:05)
- His focus on fintech infrastructure and embedded finance, how it was shaped by BVP's existing portfolio, and his underestimation of Shopify (10:48)
- His missed investment in Plaid’s Series A and why it made him a better investor (13:58)
- His investment in Alloy and why it's critical to find companies with 'Pull' in financial services. (15:55)
- The current state of wealth management, how he thinks about segmenting the market, and the sale of United Capital (BVP portco) to Goldman Sachs (19:51)
- The fundraising process, portco management, and where you can get creative in hiring (24:40)
- And a Rapid fire round including his fintech hero and Wharton classmates in fintech he most admires (31:43)
Referenced in the episode:
- PFOF Debate with Atom Finance CEO Eric Shoykhet
https://medium.com/wharton-fintech/atom-finance-founder-eric-shoykhet-building-for-the-retail-investor-and-debating-pfof-a3156bd79bc
- Robinhood COO Gretchen Howard
https://medium.com/wharton-fintech/robinhoods-coo-gretchen-howard-democratizing-finance-navigating-a-crisis-embracing-change-d6b293c39e8e
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Mar 22, 2021 • 44min
NFL Star + Penn Professor Brandon Copeland - Tackling Financial Literacy through "Life 101"
Today, Ryan Zauk sits down with NFL Player and UPenn Professor Brandon Copeland. Formerly on the Patriots, Jets, and Titans Brandon just signed with the Atlanta Falcons this past Friday! But this episode isn't about football - Brandon is MUCH more than a football player. See below:
- Penn Professor where he teaches “Life 101” every spring to educate students about the financial basics of becoming an adult. Think stocks & bonds, buying a home, credit 101, networking/brand-building, taxes, car payments, and more.
- He has since made this course available to the public, where he hosts lectures and guest speakers every Tuesday, and fosters an amazing Telegram community. You can learn more and sign up for the course here: life101.io
- Forbes 30 under 30 winner, motivational speaker, and noted brand consultant
- Columnist at Kiplinger + CNBC and is member of CNBC’s Invest in You Wellness Council with Acorns
- Serial private and public investor as well as real estate developer, having worked on 50+ homes
Brandon has always been focused on what he calls “the business of me” and has made it a life mission to share his lessons with others.
Ryan & Brandon discuss:
- Interning at hedge funds and bulge bracket banks since high school (7:30)
- What he teaches in ‘Life 101,’ how he got UPenn on board, and his unique final exam (11:50)
- How you can get involved with Life 101 and what he needs you to promise before you join (22:30)
- His favorite Fintech apps (25:50)
- The NFL approach to financial education (29:25)
- A rapid-fire round including his personal finance stack, best investments, and the best QB he ever faced (32:40)
...And so much more!
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Mar 21, 2021 • 26min
Everett Cook, CEO & Co-Founder of Rho - Modernizing Business Banking
Miguel Armaza sits down with Everett Cook, Co-Founder & CEO of Rho Business Banking, a NYC-based company offering banking services to SMBs, including corporate cards, payments and expenses.
The company has raised close to $20 million from leading investors, including M13 Ventures, Torch Capital, Inspired Capital, Interplay Ventures, and Mike Vaughan.
We talked about
- Everett’s journey from hedge fund portfolio manager to startup founder
- What inspired him and his co-founders to launch Rho
- Why SMB banking in the US needs a refresh
- Lessons learned from clients and investors over the past couple of years
- And a lot more!
Everett Cook - Co-Founder and CEO of Rho
Everett Cook is the CEO and co-founder of Rho Business Banking. With over 10 years of experience in finance and investment management, Everett is an expert in financial structuring, macroeconomics and fintech regulations. Everett led research at two $1 billion macro funds, and has worked under leaders like Steve Cohen and Michael Bloomberg.
About Rho Business Banking
Rho Technologies is the NYC-based fintech behind Rho Business Banking, the only finance platform built from the ground-up to help business teams work better together.
The company was founded by former Point72 and Deutsche Bank alum Everett Cook and British-Canadian serial entrepreneur Alex Wheldon. With backgrounds in both finance and operations, they understood how badly fragmented and outdated current commercial finance solutions and tools were relative to the rest of today’s enterprise software. The Rho Business Banking platform approach consists of a single solution that encompasses both collaborative finance software and commercial-grade banking, which together help businesses save time, money, and effort as they grow. Clients are all supported by its team of business bankers and capital markets professionals.
Rho Business Banking offers banking, corporate cards, payments and expenses — all in one place. Rho provides finance technology on top of core banking to help businesses move, manage, and leverage money within their whole organization. Rho’s all-in-one platform consolidates banking and cash management with powerful financial tools like global payments, built-in expense management, and A/P, alongside its leading corporate card program. Rho clients are served by dedicated business bankers and introduced to growth options by our capital markets team.

Mar 19, 2021 • 28min
Smart US CEO Jodan Ledford - The Future of US Retirement, PEPs, and The SECURE Act
In today's episode, Ryan Zauk sits down with Jodan Ledford, CEO of Smart USA. Smart is a retirement tech provider and one of the largest global recordkeepers with strategic investors J.P. Morgan, Legal & General, Barclays, the Link Group, and Natixis, today launched in the US.
Smart’s enters the US with over 70,000 retirement plans already on its platform -- on par with the US’ second-largest recordkeeper. It is entering the US market in response to the SECURE act. Smart’s recordkeeping and retirement income solutions are purpose-built for the Pooled Employer Plans and the facilitation of lifetime income in retirement plans the SECURE Act Allows.
Smart has established its US headquarters in Nashville, a growing Fintech hub, and is primed to help US plan advisors, employers, and participants further close our retirement coverage gap
In this episode, Jodan and Ryan cover a number of topics, including:
- Why he chose Nashville to locate Smart
- The history of US retirement, including pensions, ERISA, The Secure Act, and 401ks
- How people can utilize Smart to standup plans in <1 hour!
- PEPs and the Secure Act 101
- The good and bad of current retirement regulations, what needs to change, and some interesting incentive alignments
- And a rapid-fire round including the best places to eat in Miami! (23:40)
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Mar 17, 2021 • 36min
SoftBank COO Marcelo Claure – Investing, Dreaming Big, and the Golden Era of Entrepreneurship!
Miguel Armaza is joined by the one and only, Marcelo Claure, CEO of SoftBank Group International, and all-around fascinating business leader and entrepreneur.
Born and raised in La Paz, Bolivia, Marcelo immigrated to the US for college and later founded Brightstar, a company he built into a global category leader and also became the largest Hispanic-owned business in US history.
Most recently, Marcelo, alongside Softbank Chairman & CEO Masayoshi Son, oversees the strategic direction of Softbank along with a vast portfolio of operating companies and investments, including SoftBank’s $5B dollar Latin America Fund.
As a fellow Bolivian, Miguel Armaza has been a longtime admirer of Marcelo so this was a particularly exciting interview where they discussed:
- Marcelo’s background from entrepreneur to global business and fintech leader
- Challenges of building a company without much access to funding
- The story behind building the Softbank Latin America fund and why there’s no doubt this is the golden era of entrepreneurship in the region
- His take on the state of the fintech industry and why several of their portfolio companies have a strong fintech component
- The importance of backing diverse and minority entrepreneurs and what Marcelo and the Softbank team are doing about it
- Valuable entrepreneurial advice for founders
- And a lot more valuable information!
About SoftBank Group
The SoftBank Group invests in breakthrough technology to improve the quality of life for people around the world. The SoftBank Group is comprised of SoftBank Group Corp. (TOKYO: 9984), an investment holding company that includes stakes in telecommunications, internet services, AI, smart robotics, IoT and clean energy technology providers; the SoftBank Vision Funds, which are investing up to US$100 billion to help extraordinary entrepreneurs transform industries and shape new ones; the SoftBank Latin America Fund, the largest venture fund in that region, and the SB Opportunity Fund, a US$100 million fund dedicated to investing in enterprises founded by entrepreneurs of color in the U.S.
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