
Cloud Wars Live with Bob Evans
The Cloud Wars franchise, part of the Acceleration Economy Network, analyzes the major cloud vendors from the perspective of business customers. In Cloud Wars Live, Bob Evans talks with both sides about these profoundly transformative technologies, and with monthly All-Star guests from across the business community about the trends impacting how the world lives, works, plays, and dreams. Visit https://accelerationeconomy.com/category/cloud-wars/ for more.
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Jan 21, 2025 • 26min
Cloud Wars CEO Outlook 2025 with Workday's Carl Eschenbach
AI Adoption and Business ValueEschenbach explains that there's been a shift from experimental AI phases to practical implementation. The shift means that "customers are going to look to go to trusted partners, partners they have an existing relationship with, partners that they know have a highly curated set of data." Workday has such a curated data set. Further, as part of the shift, there's now a need for ROI and total cost of ownership analysis in AI investments.CEO Priorities for 2025 AI, enterprise consolidation, and talent are Eschenbach's key priorities for 2025. When it comes to talent, he says CEOs and other leaders need to think about how "that talent is going to ultimately peacefully coexist with AI and things like agents in the future." He also discusses Workday's AI mindset — it's not just about delivering it to customers but also successfully integrating AI internally — along with AI's role in driving productivity. Customers are looking to do "more with less." They want to consolidate point solutions onto more comprehensive platforms like Workday.AI Deployment and Talent Integration CEOs should foster an AI-first culture. Eschenbach provides examples of AI use cases, such as job description automation and recruiter agents, showcasing the tangible ROI and productivity gains in HR and finance. Integrating AI with existing talent helps drive business benefits.Competitive Advantages and Market Position Workday's success stems from its technology, large client base, and on-time delivery. "Our customers have greater than a 95% on-time delivery of the Workday platform and on budget," Eschenbach points out "We know how to deploy this at scale across the biggest companies in the world, which gives us a leg up versus our competition, who, at times, have very complex data sets and environments and can't implement at the speed and pace and at the dollar value that a Workday can." Other Workday attributes include its platform's open architecture, as well as its strong company culture and high levels of employee engagement.Partner Growth and International Expansion Eschenbach reports significant growth in the partner community and its impact on business. "Historically, we've had really good partners . . . 10% of our new business in New ACV [annual contract value] last quarter came from our partners. Our partners are having a meaningful impact on our business. We have grown our partner community by five times in 18 months." He speaks about the focus on selling through hyperscalers and forming strategic partnerships, as well as the potential in international markets and continued investments in new sectors, such as the U.S. federal market.Data Set and AI Partnerships "We're opening up the aperture," Escenbach says, explaining how Workday is tackling AI. "We're thinking about AI in multiple ways." Curated data is essential for AI tools. Eschenbach discusses the Workday platform's integration with Slack and Microsoft to enable agent-to-agent communication, underscoring that data is important in powering AI tools and delivering customer benefits.Innovation and External ConcernsIn the face of the potential impact of global macro situations, there's a need to stay focused on innovation."We focus on innovation, and we focus on each other here inside the building and our workmates, and we continue to support our partner ecosystem on a global basis. So while there are some concerns out there, if you focus too much on them, it's a distraction."

Jan 20, 2025 • 29min
Cloud Wars CEO Outlook 2025 With Oracle’s Safra Catz
HighlightsCustomer Boldness (00:21)In previous keynotes, Catz has encouraged customers to be more bold – and customers are responding to that. Oracle’s cloud business is growing at a rate of 50% a year. “More and more of our customers are willing to not only jump in with one foot but their entire bodies because they’re getting more comfortable and they’re also seeing that competition is moving,” Catz says.“Transformation and transforming yourself and modernizing yourself, that is not a destination; it’s a constant journey.” Businesses are recognizing that they become more adaptable to meet customer expectations when they embrace these new technologies.Multi-Cloud Agreements (04:25)Multi-cloud agreements with Microsoft, Google Cloud, and AWS kicked off in 2024. “We have always believed that the customer should get to choose what they want to use and what environment they want to run in and how to really advance their agenda,” Catz expresses. Oracle doesn’t believe in building walls or trapping customers; being open to this idea is central to Oracle's success. Because Oracle Cloud has different capabilities, the company has been able to collaborate with other providers to make their offerings work together to best meet customer needs.Healthcare Industry Offerings (08:55)Oracle has put extra energy into its industry suites, particularly for the healthcare industry. It aims to be able to handle everything from clinical trials to inventory to nursing schedules and more. At a recent health summit, Oracle launched new AI-powered capabilities for healthcare. While the company competes in several industries, Oracle acquired Cerner because “we knew that we needed to bring healthcare into the 21st century.”Larry Ellison previously shared that “we can’t do it alone.” This means partnering with customers and being open to partner with other companies to apply their capabilities to ensure a quality customer experience is being delivered for patients, doctors, administrators, and others in the healthcare industry. “Do more, spend less doing it – that’s our job, to give them that ability,” Catz summarizes.Revenue Goals (17:06)At its financial analyst meeting last fall, Oracle released its vision for $100 billion in revenue a few years out. Catz describes what that will look like within Oracle and how customers will contribute to the company achieving those figures. “We’re telling you now, every year is going to be bigger and accelerating more,” Catz says. “The way that that curve works – it’s almost unstoppable once it starts.”Cloud Data Centers (22:30)Oracle has been developing cloud data centers that are “small enough to go on a ship” as well as what Ellison has called the world’s largest data centers, Evans notes. This will be important to Oracle customers in the coming years and beyond because “it gives them flexibility,” Catz explains. “We can start at any size and expand as they need it.”Ellison and New Products (24:59)2024 was a busy year for Ellison and 2025 will continue in the same manner. “This fellow does not rest,” Catz says. The Oracle team loves the new capabilities and new product lines that they’ve been rolling out to customers that there are no signs of slowing down.

Jan 16, 2025 • 28min
Cloud Wars CEO Outlook 2025 with Snowflake's Sridhar Ramaswamy
The Future of AI and Data in 2025: There's a lot of excitement and prototyping around AI. "People are excited that they can ask questions and get real answers instead of getting the proverbial 10 blue links. I think people see the promise of things like that. How do you make that work at scale? How do you make that work in a reliable way, and how do you make it work in a way that's not expensive?" Ramaswamy shares a recent experience in India, describing the cost-consciousness of customers and the focus on making data accessible and valuable.Shifting Priorities for Snowflake Customers: What do customers want? Ramaswamy identifies goals including empowering business users with data faster and unlocking the value of unstructured information. In response, Snowflake is helping customers access and utilize historical information and build hybrid systems. He notes that SQL enables easier data transformations and extractions.Cultural Change and AI Adoption: Cultural change is required for companies to handle AI. Even within Snowflake, adopting AI has been a challenging process. Snowflake's engineering and sales teams are beginning to use AI tools like Copilot and Cortex, but there's a need for ongoing practice to fully integrate AI into daily operations. The Promise of AI and Data Platforms: AI has the potential to free up significant time for employees, allowing them to focus on higher-value tasks. Snowflake aspires to make data platforms simple and accessible, allowing users to perform complex tasks with ease. Its consumption model has several benefits and aligns it with business goals of making more money or spending less. Companies like Siemens are using chatbots to improve efficiency and access to information.Competition and Innovation in the Data Market: Competition, Ramaswamy says, drives innovation and improves products. It only strengthens Snowflake, which stands apart due to its unified platform, tight integration, and ease of use. "If you create a chatbot with Snowflake, it will automatically obey all of the access control rules that you have set up. It will automatically obey all of the data masking that your administrator has set up." Ramaswamy discusses the challenges of balancing innovation with maintaining simplicity and efficiency in Snowflake's product offerings.Mega Trends and Challenges for Snowflake: Ramaswamy sees two mega trends for 2025: the rise of interoperable data formats and the acceleration of AI. Snowflake is well-positioned to take advantage of these trends through its end-to-end offerings and data engineering capabilities. However, there are challenges to maintaining data quality and speed while innovating rapidly. AI tools like agents must drive real utility and value for customers.Data Literacy Initiative: One Million Minds Plus One: Snowflake has a new initiative aimed at improving data literacy. Data can be difficult to interpret, and the right skills are necessary to do so. Snowflake is spearheading an ambitious program to educate over a million people in data literacy, free of charge. The initiative includes teaching concepts like data engineering, data analytics, and using BI tools and notebooks for interactive analysis.Excitement for 2025: Sridhar expresses excitement about the potential for AI and data to drive real business transformations in 2025. Snowflake will continue to play a vital role in helping customers become truly data-driven organizations. Navigating growth, competition, and innovation while maintaining simplicity and value for customers is key.

Jan 15, 2025 • 29min
Mastering End-to-End Business Operations in a Complex Global Supply Chain | Sadin on Digital
The Big Themes:End-to-End Integration Is a Necessity: In today's fast-paced business environment, success requires a holistic, end-to-end understanding of operations. Organizations must break out of traditional silos. A great CIO and IT team must focus on connecting these silos, ensuring seamless workflows across the organization. This perspective enables businesses to optimize processes, meet customer expectations, and avoid inefficiencies.Logistics as a Strategic Advantage: Companies that excel in managing their supply chain —from sourcing to delivering products to customers — gain a competitive edge. In contrast, companies that neglect logistics risk disappointing customers with out-of-stock items or poor service. Sadin also underscores the complexities of modern global supply chains. Businesses need visibility into every link of the chain to anticipate risks and adapt proactively. This logistical foresight allows organizations to maintain customer loyalty and operational efficiency, even amid uncertainty.Strategic Iteration and Integration Is Key to Progress: Sadin stresses the importance of iterative improvement rather than overhauling systems entirely. His "patch, polish, then perfect" strategy encourages retailers to enhance existing systems incrementally, using tools like robotic process automation (RPA) to connect and optimize processes in the short term. Additionally, Sadin warns against delaying action, likening hesitation to "sitting on a sharp fence," which risks falling behind competitors.

Jan 14, 2025 • 21min
SAP's Tony Harris on Transforming Business Networks and Supply Chain Efficiency | Cloud Wars Live
The Big Themes:Network Benefits for Buyers and Suppliers: The SAP Business Network brings together buyers and suppliers. Buyers use the network to strengthen supply chains, meet sustainability goals, and access new markets. Suppliers use it for business growth, streamlined processes, and greater visibility. The network is free for suppliers to join, allowing them to build profiles, respond to RFIs, and engage in sourcing events. With millions of global suppliers, the network serves businesses of all sizes.Transformation of Traditional Business Models: SAP Business Network is helping to eliminate the old divide between back-office and front-office operations. It integrates various business functions — procurement, supply chain, logistics, and order collaboration — making them work together to improve the customer experience. This transformation is vital in an era where customer experience is a key differentiator in competitive markets.Inclusivity of Small and Medium-Sized Enterprises (SMEs): SAP Business Network is designed to serve businesses of all sizes, from large enterprises to smaller boutique firms. With the introduction of the Promote subscription in 2025, small suppliers can showcase their products and services alongside larger companies. Additionally, the network’s Discovery feature provides smaller suppliers with the chance to participate in large procurement opportunities.The Big Quote: “We have the biggest companies in the world as suppliers on the network, but we also have millions of SME-sized organizations. Smaller suppliers don't always have a way to showcase their catalogs of products or services in the same way that maybe a large company or a large supply would have, but this new set of capabilities we're providing to suppliers under

Dec 23, 2024 • 29min
The Power of Picking the Right Partner | Tinder on Customers
Episode 47 | 2024 Tech Insights & 2025 StrategiesThe Big Themes:Trends in Technology Implementation Success Rates: Bonnie shares insights from 742 enterprise software implementation customer reviews. Average satisfaction for implementation processes scored 3.8 out of 5, while partners involved in these projects received a higher rating of 4.7. Projects were completed on time 72% of the time, though 25% faced delays. Budget compliance was slightly better, with 76% staying on budget. Delays often result from incomplete scoping or unforeseen change orders during the discovery phase.Lessons Learned for 2025 Enterprise Projects: Reflecting on 2024, Bonnie offers three lessons for future enterprise projects. First, businesses should prioritize selecting the right partner and involve them early. Second, companies should account for unforeseen delays and cost overruns by padding budgets and timelines by at least 25%. Finally, projects are increasingly complex; ensuring collaboration between vendors, partners, and internal teams is vital.Change Management Tailored to the Audience Drives Adoption: Modern change management extends beyond traditional training and rollout strategies. Effective change management involves clear communication, peer influence, and user-friendly training materials. In 2025, organizations must consider their workforce demographics and preferences — offering bite-sized, engaging content (e.g., TikTok-style videos) and gamified elements to ensure adoption.The Big Quote: “The most successful projects were ones that had the blueprint of success that was clear and . . . a clear set of business requirements, policies, and processes that were in place prior to starting the project itself."

Dec 18, 2024 • 33min
Innovations That Will Redefine Business in 2025 | Sadin on Digital
Episode 55 | Tech Disruptions AheadThe Big Themes:Optimism for 2025 as a Transformative Year: Wayne and Bob express optimism about 2025, particularly for the U.S. economy and its impact on CIOs and digital transformation initiatives. Sadin talks about deregulation and efficiency measures, such as those championed by the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), could boost confidence and growth.AI and Automation Rise: AI and automation are pivotal for driving efficiency and reclaiming productivity. Examples include ServiceNow’s claim of saving users 1.5 days of productivity weekly by automating low-value tasks. Wayne and Bob cite leaders like Larry Ellison and Elon Musk as potential drivers of this transformation, particularly if given the freedom to innovate without excessive regulation.Advances in Chip Technology Drive Performance and Cost Efficiency: Technological advances in chip design, such as the development of two-nanometer chips, promise dramatic gains in performance and efficiency. Wayne points out that smaller feature sizes on chips enable exponentially more transistors per unit, which reduces costs, improves thermal efficiency, and unlocks new capabilities for AI and data processing. This progress aligns with Moore’s Law and could revive productivity leaps in hardware development.The Big Quote: "Microsoft's going to be a winner because they've got the legs of the stool, AI in it. Well, maybe four legs, AI, integration, platform, and application. And you don't see that with most of the other players, their application focus, their platform plus application, but Microsoft plays at all layers of the stack, so I can mix and match."

Dec 17, 2024 • 25min
SAP's Val Blatt Talks Modernizing Supply Chains to Prioritize Customers
Supply Chain InsightsThe Big Themes:Customer-Centric Supply Chains: Customer-centric supply chains are about aligning every aspect of the supply chain to serve the ultimate consumer. Val describes this as keeping the "why" — the customer — at the forefront, rather than focusing solely on operational efficiencies. Companies that succeed here often find themselves leaders in their industries, regardless of size.Cultural and Technological Shifts in Supply Chain: Val underscores the need for cultural change within organizations to adopt customer-focused practices and leverage innovative technology. Businesses must move beyond outdated methods (e.g., fax orders) and embrace digital solutions. Leadership plays a vital role in fostering this transformation, promoting a culture of adaptability, and aligning employee incentives with customer-driven goals.The Role of Regulatory Compliance: Compliance with regulations, such as those preventing the use of goods linked to unethical practices like child labor, is becoming a non-negotiable aspect of supply chains. Val points out that meeting these requirements not only avoids legal penalties but also ensures long-term viability and trust in global markets. Compliance is a driving force for adopting modern supply chain technologies.The Big Quote: “[SAP Business Network] really does modernize how companies connect and collaborate across the supply chain. More specifically, the platform integrates into a company's back-end system. It can be to their ERP system, it can be through their procurement system. It can integrate to their logistics system, their planning system, and it allows us to actually send transaction documents back and forth . . . and gives you visibility across that entire supply chain."

Dec 11, 2024 • 18min
SignUp Software Expands Product Suite to Modernize the Office of the COO
HighlightsExpansions Through Acquisitions (01:32)SignUp Software has been expanding its product portfolio, moving from a focus on the office of the CFO more broadly into the operations world. Through acquisitions, its product suite has evolved. In December 2023, SignUp Software acquired Axtension, a Netherlands-based company. It has been working with Axtension on emphasizing the “I” in ISV (independent software vendor).One of the six products involved an overlap with ExFlow AP. This led the team to taking the best of IP (invoice processing) and moving it into ExFlow to build out an offering for AP automation. The other five products are targeted toward manufacturing and project-based businesses. “They fill great gaps with the Microsoft platform toward other ERP systems as well, so we’re really thrilled to present this,” Hedin says.Easy Integration for Microsoft Users (06:20)With these offerings, it becomes easier for customers to manage this integration within their ERP environments, especially for Microsoft users. Bigger, more complex Microsoft users often use three to five different ISVs, Hedin notes. Now, the company’s offering enables customers to use one solution to integrate Axtension and SignUp Software.Autonomous Finance (10:05)SignUp has been working on low-touch, autonomous finance for a while. It’s been set up with strict parameters. The system helps automate financial processes, such as processing invoices from suppliers. Gradually, the level of automation will increase as the system is used, reducing the need for hands-on processing.Community Summit North America (13:13)SignUp Software will be at Community Summit North America, which takes place on October 13-17 in San Antonio, Texas. “I think it’s the greatest event when we get the combination of Microsoft and customers, partners and product suppliers,” Hedin says. He encourages attendees to “mix and mingle across those borders…and have fun.”Attendees can find Hedin and the SignUp Software team at Booth #1133. They are looking forward to chatting about the latest innovations from SignUp Software — including AI, e-invoicing, and more — and getting input from the customers.

Dec 10, 2024 • 20min
SignUp Software Insights on the Trend Toward E-Invoicing and Continuous Transaction Controls
HighlightsThe Significance of E-Invoicing for Modern Business (00:50)Hedin describes e-invoicing as an evolution toward an easier, more standardized way to exchange information. It can include all the documents needed during the procure-to-pay process.Electronic invoicing differs from traditional digital invoicing. E-invoicing started with a point-to-point connection. With e-invoicing, everything comes pre-validated because the invoice has to comply with certain formats, standards, and machines, such as ERP systems.Continuous Transaction Controls (03:50)Hedin provides a breakdown of the shift toward continuous transaction controls (CTC) and its benefits. CTC involves invoice data being transmitted to tax authorities in real time. He notes that governments getting more tax money is the biggest benefit; this is a main driving force behind the trend toward CTC. “It’s a fantastic driving force that will not stop this steam train that started rolling,” Hedin says.This also introduces the business-to-government flow. Different countries can also have different country conditions. For instance, in some countries, before sending invoices, it has to be approved. Navarro acknowledges that this is an ongoing, evolving process.E-Invoicing Compliance Mandates (07:57)Hedin and Navarro share a few pieces of advice for how businesses can ensure they comply with e-invoicing mandates:Where is your business based and running? Organizations must have a very clear map this. Larger companies may have different subsidiaries with different legal backgrounds; business leaders must be aware of all of them.Where are you sending the invoice? There may be additional requirements to comply with depending on where the invoice is being sent.Find a partner that knows the legal frameworks of all the countries you work with. It’s vital to stay up-to-date with the mandates in the countries of your customers and partners.While there may be challenges and growing pains with this, it will be helpful in the long run.Looking Ahead (15:36)Currently, there are a little over 50 countries that have government mandates. The expectation is that it will be well over 100 countries in five years from now. This is going fast and all the governments will want to jump on this bandwagon, Hedin notes.Navarro suggests that one day, “the tax office will be just another business party.” While businesses will have to invoice customers and inform their tax authority, in the end, it will save time with tax return processes. “Take the tax authority as a business party, and the CTC is going to help in that direction.”