
But We Loved
As a gay kid growing up Catholic, in conservative Texas, Jordan Gonsalves knew nothing about queer history. Now, as a journalist, he’s searching for the stories he craved when he was coming of age. Through intimate interviews with LGBTQ+ elders, Jordan uncovers the untold stories of queer history. And in the process, he discovers the role models he always needed and the wisdom they’ve been waiting to pass down.
Latest episodes

Jul 10, 2024 • 37min
Before & After Pulse Nightclub
Brandon Wolf survived the Pulse nightclub shooting in 2016. Hailing from rural Oregon, Brandon reflects on how the club — and the people in it — changed his life forever.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jul 3, 2024 • 38min
The Love Story That Legalized Gay Marriage
Jim Obergefell was the plaintiff in the case that legalized gay marriage for all of America in 2015 (Obergefell v. Hodges). Behind that case was a story of love and loss.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jun 26, 2024 • 38min
The “Only” Gay in the Military
A lawsuit meant Zoe Dunning was the only LGBTQ+ person allowed in the miltiary for 13 years. Compliant at first, she would tranform into one of the most vocal opponents against the military's ban on gays. She would eventually stand next to President Obama as he abolished the ban for good.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jun 19, 2024 • 39min
The AIDS Love Story You Never Heard Part 2
Jason Prefontaine's father died from AIDS related complications. Decades later, he reunited with him in an unexpected way. Special thank you to Trent Straube for originally writing about Chris & Jason in POZ magazine in 2021. You can read his article here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jun 12, 2024 • 41min
The AIDS Love Story You Never Heard Part 1
Chris Pimentel lost his first love to AIDS in 1991. But 30 years later, that love story got an unexpected new chapter. Part 2 of this love story drops next week. Special thank you to Trent Straube for originally writing about Chris & Jason in POZ magazine in 2021. You can read his article here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jun 5, 2024 • 38min
Coming Out On YouTube (ft. Ingrid Nilsen)
Coming out on YouTube has defined a generation of young queer people. In 2015, Ingrid Nilsen posted one of the most viewed coming out videos of all time. She reflects on the positive and negative impact it’s had on her life and millions of others.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

May 29, 2024 • 42min
Mr. Marriage: The Man Behind Gay Marriage
Evan Wolfson was a major figure in the fight for gay marriage in America. He shares how - ironically - he never thought he'd get married, what changed his mind, and how his 32 year fight for marriage equality changed America.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

May 22, 2024 • 45min
The Lesbians Who Led the AIDS Response
Jean Carlomusto is an Emmy-nominated documentarian. But in the 1980s, she was a scrappy filmmaker documenting the AIDS crisis for ACT UP. She reflects on the impact that lesbians like her had in responding to the deadly epidemic that was mostly affecting gay men. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

May 15, 2024 • 28min
Meet Your Host (with Eric Marcus)
In this special episode, we learn more about our host, Jordan Gonsalves, in an interview with Eric Marcus from Making Gay History. Jordan shares his coming out story, the inspiration behind But We Loved, and what listeners can expect from future episodes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

May 15, 2024 • 37min
That One Night at Stonewall
Martin Boyce was part of the historic Stonewall Riots in June 1969. He recounts the events of that night in detail and reflects on how his actions changed America for generations to come.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.