
The Data Exchange with Ben Lorica
A series of informal conversations with thought leaders, researchers, practitioners, and writers on a wide range of topics in technology, science, and of course big data, data science, artificial intelligence, and related applications. Anchored by Ben Lorica (@BigData), the Data Exchange also features a roundup of the most important stories from the worlds of data, machine learning and AI. Detailed show notes for each episode can be found on https://thedataexchange.media/ The Data Exchange podcast is a production of Gradient Flow [https://gradientflow.com/].
Latest episodes

Jun 5, 2025 • 49min
How a Public-Benefit Startup Plans to Make Open Source the Default for Serious AI
Manos Koukoumidis, CEO of Oumi Labs and former tech lead at Microsoft, Meta, and Google, shares his vision for unconditionally open foundation models in AI. He argues for transparency in data, code, and processes as essential for trustworthy technology. Discussions include the evolution of community-driven AI similar to Linux, the importance of a robust evaluation system in open-source contributions, and the innovative Halloumi tool for verifying AI claims. Manos emphasizes balancing innovation with safety as a pathway to reliable and accessible AI.

May 29, 2025 • 54min
The Highly Uncertain Future of OpenAI’s Dominance
Dan Schwarz, CEO and co-founder of Futuresearch, challenges OpenAI's ambitious $125 billion revenue target, citing intense competition and revenue pressures. He discusses the complexities of AI revenue strategies and the impact of user behavior on sustainability. The conversation highlights concerns over talent moving to rivals and contrasts early AI optimism with current market realities. Exploring future revenue streams, Schwarz expresses skepticism about the pace of growth, emphasizing the competitive landscape dominated by tech giants like Google and Meta.

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May 22, 2025 • 45min
Beyond Guardrails: Defending LLMs Against Sophisticated Attacks
Jason Martin, an AI Security Researcher at HiddenLayer, delves into the world of AI vulnerabilities and defenses. He illuminates the concept of 'policy puppetry,' a technique that can bypass safety features in language models. The conversation highlights the challenges of AI safety, particularly in multimodal applications, and the importance of robust security measures for enterprises. They also tackle the complex interplay of biases in LLMs and the critical role of instruction hierarchy in shaping AI responses, stressing the need for careful model selection to mitigate risks.

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May 15, 2025 • 50min
Navigating the Generative AI Maze in Business
Evangelos Simoudis, Managing Director at Synapse Partners, discusses navigating the generative AI maze in business. He highlights the current disparity between interest and actual AI deployment, addressing challenges in transitioning from proof-of-concept to full implementation. Topics include the decline in pilot projects, the importance of data strategies, and innovative architectures like Retrieval-Augmented Generation. Simoudis also examines the complexities of AI agents and stresses the need for human oversight in an increasingly AI-driven landscape.

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May 8, 2025 • 38min
The Practical Realities of AI Development
Lin Qiao, CEO and co-founder of Fireworks AI, shares insights from his journey in AI development. He discusses the challenges of user experience and system engineering in real-world applications. Key topics include the shift towards agentic workflows, the confluence of open-source and proprietary models, and strategies for balancing quality, speed, and cost. Lin also highlights how diverse demographics are shaping generative AI adoption, while addressing the nuances of selecting and fine-tuning AI models for optimal performance.

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May 1, 2025 • 28min
Beyond the Demo: Building AI Systems That Actually Work
Hamel Husain, founder of Parlance Labs and author of AI Essentials for Tech Executives, dives into the essential data science skills often missing from AI education. He underlines the need for collaboration between engineers and domain experts to tackle obstacles in AI development. The conversation explores practical strategies like generating synthetic data for better testing and touches on the evolving landscape of education in an AI-driven world, questioning the necessity of traditional college paths in favor of hands-on experience.

12 snips
Apr 24, 2025 • 37min
Vibe Coding and the Rise of AI Agents: The Future of Software Development is Here
Steve Yegge, an evangelist at Sourcegraph, dives into the future of software development, focusing on 'vibe coding' and AI agents. He discusses how developers are moving from traditional coding to a more strategic oversight role, embracing AI tools while maintaining code quality. The conversation highlights essential skills needed for this transition, including prompt engineering and dynamic agent programming. Yegge also emphasizes the importance of adapting to continuous technological advancements and leveraging affordable tools to enhance productivity in coding.

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Apr 17, 2025 • 52min
2025 Artificial Intelligence Index
Nestor Maslej, Research Manager at Stanford's HAI and editor-in-chief of the AI Index Report, explores the latest trends in artificial intelligence. He discusses the rise of smaller, high-performance AI models in business, emphasizing their adoption and the balance between accuracy and speed. The conversation also covers advancements in AI benchmarking and the evolving landscape of AI inference costs. Maslej highlights the potential of AI in the workforce, alongside concerns about job displacement, as well as the competitive dynamics between the U.S. and China in AI research.

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Apr 10, 2025 • 29min
How AI is Transforming Talent Development
Kian Katanforoosh, Founder and CEO of Workera and former Stanford deep learning instructor, shares insights on the revolution in skills verification. He explores how AI is reshaping skills assessments, shifting from traditional methods to tools promoting self-awareness and personal growth. Kian discusses the critical role of continuous updates in skills, the importance of tailored assessments in organizations, and the future of mentorship in fostering effective skills development through data-driven approaches.

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Apr 3, 2025 • 39min
Prompts as Functions: The BAML Revolution in AI Engineering
David Hughes, a Principal Data & AI Solution Architect at Enterprise Knowledge, shares insights on BAML, a revolutionary framework that turns prompts into structured functions for AI applications. He discusses the flexibility of treating prompts as functions, which enhances developer productivity and reduces costs. The conversation also explores the capabilities of BAML in agentic AI development, advancements in multimodal retrieval, and the dynamic construction of knowledge graphs, all aimed at improving accuracy and explainability in language models.