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Everything you need to know about teaching and learning in one podcast. Top Class, the OECD Education Podcast, interviews leading educators, researchers and policy experts about the big issues facing education systems around the world.
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Disclaimer: The opinions expressed and arguments employed on the "TopClass" podcast and the recordings contained therein do not necessarily represent the official views of the OECD, its member countries, or non-members who have participated in any related work. This site may display third party videos or recordings. The inclusion of such videos or recordings does not imply any endorsement of, or responsibility for, the opinions, ideas, or information presented in these videos. The "TopClass" podcast is subject to the Disclaimers section of the General Terms and Conditions of the OECD website. http://www.oecd.org/termsandconditions/
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Jun 6, 2023 • 29min
Why skills like empathy are so important in education
‘A focus on social & emotional skills is fundamentally about high quality teaching’
Professor Stephanie Jones from Harvard Graduate School of Education (HGSE) talks to Duncan Crawford, Senior Content Manager at the OECD, about the challenges to teaching these skills, practical tips and Sesame Street.

May 17, 2023 • 32min
Master teachers, AI tutors & 24 hour schools – just some ideas for the future of education
On this OECD Education and Skills podcast Professor Patrick Newell from Shizenkan University joins Duncan Crawford, Senior Content Manager of the OECD's Education and Skills Directorate, to discuss how learning in schools could drastically change in the future.

Apr 19, 2023 • 32min
How to ensure all children get an equal chance to succeed
On the latest Top Class podcast 🎧, OECD's Education Senior Editor Duncan Crawford is joined by John McLaughlin, President & CEO of Atlantic Education International, to discuss educational challenges in Canada, teachers under pressure, and how to ensure all children get an equal chance to succeed at school.

Jan 27, 2023 • 33min
How To Tackle Cyberbullying - At School, At Home And Online
Cyberbullying is a growing problem worldwide and has serious consequences for students. It can take place on social media, gaming platforms and mobile phones, and often involves scaring, angering or shaming an individual or group. The experience can be incredibly traumatic for young people, who sometimes feel that escaping from it is impossible. It can also have academic consequences, with OECD data suggesting that students who are regularly bullied score lower on reading tests. As digital technologies radically change the way young people interact, communicate and get information, the OECD’s Education and Skills Directorate has released a working paper, Cyberbullying: An overview of research and policy in OECD countries, outlining ways to deal with the issue. The author, OECD analyst Francesca Gottschalk, and Christina Salmivalli, professor of psychology at the University of Turku in Finland, discuss what can be done.
Host: Clara Young
Producer: Stephen Flynn

Dec 19, 2022 • 21min
Why Gen Z is Our Planet's Best Hope
From the autumn of 2019 till the pandemic shutdowns, schoolchildren in the millions marched to save Earth from irreparable climate crisis. Calling on world leaders to keep the planet’s temperature rise below 1.5°C by cutting carbon emissions, teens organised an unprecedented scale of climate strikes around the globe. And they are still going. Evidence from PISA 2018 bears out Generation Z’s environmental commitment: more than 2/3 of 15-year-olds in every country and economy feel they need to take care of our planet. How do schools help students build on this momentum? Anuna de Wever was one of the founders of the youth climate strike movement in Belgium. She is now a trade policy officer at the European NGO, Climate Action Network.
Host: Clara Young
Producer: Stephen Flynn

Oct 28, 2022 • 27min
How I learned to stop worrying and love math
The uproar over the 2021 Revision of the California Mathematics Framework shows us how passionate people are about mathematics – and how we learn it. For many, however, math arouses not so much passion as fear, even, loathing. But does it have to be this way? Jo Boaler is a professor of mathematics education at Stanford University. She is the author of nine books on mathematics learning, including Limitless Mind: Learn, Lead and Live Without Barriers. In 2013, Boaler taught the first-ever Massive Online Open Course on mathematics education for Stanford University, called "How to Learn Math". Jo Boaler is an advisor to the PISA team at the OECD and one of the authors of the 2021 Revision of the California Mathematics Framework, which is an advisory for kindergarten-to-Grade 12 maths education in California.
Hosted by Clara Young and produced by Stephen Flynn.

Sep 16, 2022 • 28min
Money matters for global education
There’s a gaping hole in the global education budget and it’s 200 billion US dollars deep. Yearly. Part of the problem has to do with taxes: Many developing countries raise less than 20% of their GDP in tax revenues and out of this, education should take up between 4 to 6% of GDP. That’s a tall order in deficitary times. Michael Ward, OECD Senior Analyst specialising in global educational development issues and Bert Brys, Senior Tax Economist at the OECD, walk us through efficient education spending and how to raise money for education through better taxing. Hosted by Clara Young and produced by Stephen Flynn.

Sep 1, 2022 • 24min
The shortest way to a good report card? Hip hop
Sometimes the road to doing well at school goes through surprising places, like hip hop. In 2015, the Lycée Turgot in Paris pioneered a programme for 15- to 18-year-olds that combines regular academic classes with hip hop dance. The brainchild of teacher David Bérillon, Hip Hop Turgot now has students from all over the country, as well as the city’s less privileged catchment areas. Diversity is just as important as dancing in this small programme, along with academic excellence, and the social-emotional qualities of determination, social ease, self-confidence, and the belief that one can always do better – whether at break battles, math class, or in life. The OECD’s international Survey on Social and Emotional Skills tells us that students who think of themselves as highly creative also report high levels of intellectual curiosity and persistence. At this school, dance is the key to unlocking those qualities. Hip Hop Turgot is the subject of a documentary, Allons enfants. Pascale Guy, who is an English teacher at Lycée Turgot, is one of the main teachers involved in the programme. Hosted by Clara Young and produced by Stephen Flynn.

Aug 5, 2022 • 25min
Is digital media literacy the answer to our disinformation woes?
Never before has critical thinking been so…critical. With so much compromised information online, how do we know what’s opinion? What’s fact? And what’s disinformation? Education can teach us to ask questions, check sources, and understand how algorithms impact the information we’re getting. And, none of this needs to be taught in STEM-based computer science courses – digital media and algorithmic literacy can be cleverly integrated throughout the curriculum. Kara Brissin-Boivin is Director of Research at Mediasmarts, Canada's Centre for Digital and Media Literacy. And OECD analyst Jordan Hill is the author of a new working paper on digital media literacy. They discuss what 21st-century critical thinking should look like. Host: Clara Young Producer: Stephen Flynn

Jul 7, 2022 • 23min
The hard reality of school for LGBTQI+ students
For many LGBTQI+ students, school can be a hostile place. Bullying and the social and emotional strain of not feeling part of the sexual and gender mainstream is tough, especially for teens. Can teachers, principals, students and governments come together for the well-being of LGBTQI+ students? Can schools be safe, and creatively and intellectually stimulating places where LGBTQI+ students can not only learn in peace but succeed beyond their wildest dreams? That is the goal. To celebrate Pride month, Jody McBrien discusses “The Inclusion of LGBTQI+ Students across Education Systems”. Jody McBrien is a professor in the School of International Global Studies at the University of South Florida and currently on secondment at the OECD as a Council on Foreign Relations Fellow.
Hosted by Clara Young and produced by Stephen Flynn.