“As if in each of us There once was a fire And for some of us There seem as if there are only ashes now But when we dig in the ashes We find one ember And very gently we fan that ember Blow on it It gets brighter And from that ember we rebuild the fire Only thing that's important is that ember That's what you and I are here to celebrate” Ram Dass quote, lyrics from “Sit Around the Fire” Some big news before we get to the episode with Jon Hopkins: This episode of the Mindspace podcast will be its last. Joe will be joining the team at the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast as a co-host. The Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast is hosted by Dr. Steve Thayer and Dr. Reid Robison. It is a “weekly conversation about psychedelics, research and the therapy that makes them so powerful as agents for lasting change in mental health.” This last episode of the podcast will also be hosted on any of the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers platforms. You can find more information about that here. Joe was also recently interviewed on the Psychedelic Therapy Frontiers podcast. You can find that episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and Google Podcasts. In this episode of the Mindspace podcast, Dr. Joe speaks with Jon Hopkins, musician and producer. Jon is a prolific musician who specializes in electronic music. He has been playing music for over 20 years. He has written six studio albums and has collaborated and produced albums for Coldplay and Brian Eno. His album, Singularity, received a Grammy nomination for Best Dance/Electronic Album in December 2018. He also collaborated with Brian Eno to create music for Wavepaths. Wavepaths was founded by Mendel Kaelen and Anna Wakefield. The purpose of Wavepaths is to create therapeutic tools that integrate “psychedelic science, machine learning, music theory, psychotherapies and experience design, in collaboration with artists, therapists and researchers.” His newest album, Music for Psychedelic Therapy, was specifically written to be used in psychedelic therapy sessions. In this interview Dr. Joe and Jon explored: What motivated him to write Music for Psychedelic Therapy His collaborative project with Brian Eno, Wavepaths The importance of music in psychedelic therapy and set and setting How pain is essential for beauty How he used Ketamine to write Music for Psychedelic Therapy The inclusion of a Ram Dass speech in “Sit Around the Fire” The impact of smartphones on our psyche

"What's healing is the self to part relationship. And that relationship gets built based on the part being able to tell its story without repercussions." In this episode of the Mindspace podcast, Dr. Joe speaks with Dr. Robert Grant. Dr. Grant is an Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapist, a ketamine-assisted psychotherapist, a pulmonary physician, a professor of medicine at UCSF, a former researcher in HIV prevention and treatment, and a cofounder of the Healing Realms Center. The Healing Realms Center is a clinic specializing in ketamine-assisted psychotherapy. Dr. Grant is especially well known for his work as an IFS therapist specializing in ketamine treatments. IFS was developed by Dr. Richard C. Schwartz. It is a therapy based on the notion that the human mind is made up of inner parts. And healing involves the cultivation of harmony among these parts. It is commonly used in the treatment of post-traumatic stress. In this interview Dr. Joe and Dr. Grant explored: How his research into preventing HIV led him to studying IFS What “parts” mean in the IFS model The three most common types of parts: Managers, Exiles, and Firefighters What “self” mean in the context of IFS How parts become burdened by trauma The role of “self” in healing The 6 F’s: Find, Focus, Flesh it out, Feel, beFriend, and Fear What ‘unblending’ is Why IFS fits so well with psychedelics Connect with Dr. Robert Grant on the Healing Realms Center website. Connect with Dr. Joe on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. Follow Mindspace on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, and YouTube. Follow Numinus on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and LinkedIn.

"In human beings, there is a will and desire to heal. Part of that process is finding and holding onto what is wanting to emerge on that journey. It takes perseverance. It takes courage. It takes time." In this episode of the Mindspace podcast, Dr. Joe speaks with Atira Tan. Atira is a somatic trauma specialist in sexual abuse recovery, educator, and activist. She has worked with survivors of child sex slavery, natural disaster survivors, victims of domestic violence, etc. And she has a very compelling TED Talk about these experiences. She is also an Expressive Art Therapist (MA), a senior yoga and meditation teacher, feminine leadership coach, and public speaker. Atira teaches practitioners in trauma-informed plant medicine facilitation. She also works as a psychedelics facilitator at Aya Healing Retreats. She is the Founder and Director of The Art2Healing Project, a non-profit that provides therapeutic support to women and children impacted by child sex slavery. She also provides trauma and psychological support to international NGOs for sex trafficking, abuse, and exploitation. In this interview Dr. Joe and Atira explored: Her professional history working with trauma survivors The definition of trauma What is trauma-sensitive therapy The different between the responses to trauma for collectivist cultures compared to individualist cultures What is involved in teaching trauma-informed plant medicine facilitation What is involved in the preparation, duration, and integration of a trauma-informed psychedelic session How to create a safe container to hold a psychedelic experience for a participant What is missing from the modern day psychedelic field The importance of practitioners and their own personal healing How to build resilience Connect with Atira on her website, Facebook and Instagram. Connect with Dr. Joe on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. Follow Mindspace on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, and YouTube. Follow Numinus on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, and YouTube.

"To move through trauma often means going back to what was too much. Often we need to be with someone who is with us saying ‘I'm here. You're safe. It's okay to feel it now.'" In this episode of the Mindspace podcast, Dr. Joe speaks with David Treleaven. David is a trauma professional, mindfulness teacher, and educator. He is also the author of Trauma-Sensitive Mindfulness: Practices for Safe Healing. After struggling through symptoms of secondary trauma on a meditation retreat, he developed the Trauma-Sensitive Mindfulness (TSM) approach.TSM helps trauma survivors avoid the risks they face when practicing meditation. TSM has been taught to veterans, prisoners, healthcare professionals, first responders, and many others. Through workshops and online courses, David teaches mindfulness providers the tools of TSM, so that they can meet the needs of people struggling with trauma. More information on his online training can be found here. David has worked with organizations like Search Inside Yourself Leadership Institute (developed by Google) and the University of Massachusetts Medical School by bringing them the tools and techniques of TSM to their staff and programs. He is also a visiting scholar at Brown University. He is the host of The Trauma-Sensitive Mindfulness Podcast. He has had guests on like Sharon Salzberg, Rick Hanson, and recently Dr. Joe Flanders! In this interview Joe and David explore: Challenges with the definition of the word trauma Is there such a thing as COVID trauma? Why some people are more resilient in the face of difficult experiences Neurobiological models of Post Traumatic Stress (PTS) Diagnosing PTS Approaches to treating PTS The implications of collective trauma from COVID-19 Connect with Dr. Joe on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn.  Connect with David Treleaven on Facebook and Instagram. Follow Mindspace on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, and YouTube.

"I envision a day where people would be able to choose to do MDMA-assisted psychotherapy in a safe context to be either able to heal from something together or to grow together, and to support the relationship." In this episode of the Mindspace podcast, Dr. Joe speaks with Dr. Anne Wagner. Anne is a Toronto-based psychologist and couples therapist, a researcher studying MDMA-assisted therapy, and the founder of Remedy Centre. Remedy is a social venture that provides individual, couples, and group therapy and reinvests the profit from these services in the Remedy Institute, which is “a new charity focused on supporting mental health innovation & research, including with psychedelics, training for aspiring mental health professionals, as well as low to no-cost therapy services for marginalized communities.” She is the principal investigator on a pilot trial investigating the impact of MDMA-assisted Cognitive Processing Therapy (CPT) on PTSD and is planning a study that will investigate the impact of MDMA-assisted Cognitive Behavioural Conjoint Therapy (CBCT) on PTSD. If you’d like to donate to the Remedy Institute, please check out: canadahelps.org/en/charities/remedy-institute You can also watch the full episode on our YouTube channel: youtu.be/xpXpD7rx-ag Dr. Joe and Dr. Wagner spoke about: Her non-profit, the Remedy Institute The current MDMA-assisted psychotherapy trials being ran at the institute How Cognitive Processing Therapy (CPT) differs from other forms of therapy used in MDMA-assisted psychotherapy trials for PTSD How the MDMA-assisted Cognitive Behavioural Conjoint Therapy (CBCT) on PTSD trial is being designed What the benefit is of couples therapy compared to individual therapy in the treatment of PTSD Transference between patient and therapist during an MDMA session The preparation and integration involved in specifically MDMA-assisted CBCT How MDMA can be a catalyst for behavioural change Connect with Dr. Anne Wagner on Twitter and LinkedIn. Follow Remedy Centre on Instagram. Connect with Dr. Joe on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. Follow Mindspace on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, and YouTube. Follow Numinus on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, and YouTube.

"The real medicine is the therapeutic relationship and psychedelics beautifully amplify that." In this episode of the Mindspace podcast, Dr. Joe speaks with Dr. Rosalind Watts. Dr. Watts is the clinical lead of the Imperial College of London's Psilocybin for Depression trials. Most recently, she designed the treatment protocol for and served as a guide for participants in a study comparing psilocybin to an antidepressant at the Centre for Psychedelic Research at Imperial College London. This study was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. And she is also a consultant psychologist for Small Pharma who are investigating DMT as a treatment for depression. She is a clinical psychologist for more than 6 years, and now specializes in psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy. She is the clinical director for the Synthesis Institute, an organization dedicated to “training practitioners to safely, ethically and effectively support people on a journey for healing using truffles containing psilocybin.” She co-hosts a monthly Psychedelic Integration group, alongside Michelle Baker Jones for participants of psilocybin clinical trials. And she will be launching Twelve Trees Integration, a new 12 month psychedelic community integration program for anyone who has experience with psychedelics. More information on this program will be posted on her site in the near future and you sign up for the waitlist there as well: www.drrosalindwatts.com She also developed the psychedelic therapy model ‘Accept, Connect, Embody (ACE)’ and an iteration for group-based integration of psychedelic experiences 'Accept, Connect, Embody, Restore' (ACER). It is based on the Hexaflex model in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). Dr. Watts and Dr. Joe spoke about: The surprising results from Dr. Rosalind Watts’s recent study comparing psilocybin to an antidepressant The importance of the therapeutic relationship in healing The role of psychological flexibility in mental health The ‘Accept, Connect, Embody’ (ACE) model she developed Her evolving approach to psychedelic integration The integration online groups she co-founded and co-facilitates How psychedelics allow people to explore their darkness, whereas antidepressants can hinder that exploration A guided visualization exercise based on the ACE model The challenges of integrating psychedelic-assisted therapy into mainstream society Connect with Dr. Joe on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. Connect with Dr. Rosalind Watts on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn.

"All we're really trying to do is help people practice being more sensitive to their inner and outer surroundings. We're helping people build awareness and feel comfortable being fully awake in every moment of their life." In this episode of the Mindspace podcast, Dr. Joe speaks with Steve Rio, former social impact entrepreneur and now 5-MeO-DMT and breathwork guide. He founded and runs the Enfold Institute where he guides small groups through 5-MeO-DMT psychedelic experiences. Steve is also the co-founder of Nature of Work, an 8-week program and company designed help people “build new habits and master your time, energy, and attention.” He was also co-founder and CEO of Briteweb, a social impact agency that “works with nonprofits, foundations and purpose-driven companies and helps them with marketing.” His work centres around helping people build clarity, connection, sensitivity, helping each individual realize their full potential in their life. His focus is currently on his work with guiding small groups through their experiences with 5-MeO-DMT. He and his wife help prepare participants before the experience, during, after with integration. 5-MeO-DMT is extracted from the venom of the Sonoran Desert toad. It can now be synthesized in a lab. It is a close relative to DMT. Steve and Dr. Joe spoke about: What is 5-MeO-DMT? His personal experiences with 5-MeO-DMT and they impacted his life His beliefs on spirituality The public’s distrust of institutions The role that top-down institutions will play in the psychedelic renaissance The role that bottom-up, decentralized can and should play in the psychedelic renaissance How he helps participants to prepare for their 5-MeO-DMT retreats, how he guides them throughout the process, and how he helps them integrate their experiences in the later months How 5-MeO-DMT can help people align with their values, build clarity, connection, and develop a sense of peace Connect with Dr. Joe on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. Connect with Steve on Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, and Medium. Follow Mindspace on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, and YouTube. Follow Numinus on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, and YouTube.

"As therapists and guides, we're holding that space for the location of healing to be intrinsic to that person." In this episode of the Mindspace podcast, Dr. Joe speaks with Dr. Devon Christie. Dr. Christie is a family physician with a focused practice in Multidisciplinary Pain Management and the Senior Lead of Psychedelic Programs at Numinus. She is also a clinical instructor with the UBC Department of Medicine, Kundalini Yoga instructor, Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) teacher, Relational Somatic Therapist and MDMA-assisted and ketamine-assisted psychotherapist. She also has first hand experience recovering from chronic pain, traumatic brain injury, PTSD, bulimia, anorexia, and depression. These experiences have served as the foundation for her work. Dr. Christie and Dr. Joe spoke about: How Devon got into psychedelic medicine and why she believes there is so much promise in this field The psychedelic paradigm shift in medicine Healing mechanisms in psychedelic therapies The role of neuroplasticity, mindfulness, the default mode network, and mystical experiences in healing Why she believes somatic relational therapy is an ideal approach for psychedelics. Profound insights from her near death experience Her own healing journey, recovering from chronic pain, traumatic brain injury and PTSD How psychedelics can change the world and some of the risks along the way Connect with Dr. Joe on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. Connect with Dr. Devon Christie on Facebook and Instagram Follow Mindspace on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, and YouTube. Follow Numinus on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, and YouTube.

“Life is tragic, and occasionally it's magic.” In this episode of the Mindspace podcast, Dr. Joe speaks with Jamie Wheal, author of Recapture the Rapture: Rethinking God, Sex and Death In a World That's Lost Its Mind and the Pulitzer-nominated bestseller Stealing Fire: How Silicon Valley, Navy SEALs, and Maverick Scientists Are Revolutionizing the Way We Live and Work. He is also the founder and executive director of the Flow Genome Project whose purpose is to build "world-class training programs on peak performance, optimal psychology and leadership." His work has been covered in the New York Times, Financial Times, Wired, Entrepreneur, Forbes, and many other publications. Jamie synthesizes history, psychology, neuroscience, and anthropology in order to create techniques and cultural practices centred around transforming human beings through non-ordinary states. Those practices include breathing techniques and psychedelics. Jamie and Dr. Joe spoke about: The breakdown of the traditional ways of making meaning The social, political, psychological, and environmental consequences of this breakdown Jamie’s design principles for a new meaning-making operating system The most reliable and accessible sources of healing, inspiration, and connection How we can implement this approach to building sustainable communities Connect with Jamie Wheal on Facebook and Instagram. Connect with the Flow Genome Project on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and their website. Connect with Dr. Joe on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. Follow Mindspace on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and Instagram.

“Psychedelics open things up and create opportunity. And integration is the work you do after to make sure you derive benefit from that experience.” In this episode of the Mindspace podcast, Dr. Joe speaks with Andrew Rose, a very experienced practitioner in Psychedelic Harm Reduction and Integration (PHRI). He is a certified mindfulness teacher, formerly the director of programming and digital strategy at Mindspace, and currently the director of programming and content at Numinus. He now leads the PHRI program at Numinus. He is also an assisting trainer at Fluence, an organization that offers educational programs in psychedelic integration and psychedelic-assisted therapy. He also co-runs a community organization called Plant Parenthood, a digital community of parents who are interested in the intersection of family and the intentional therapeutic use of psychedelics. For more information on the PHRI programs at Mindspace or Numinus, check out mindspacewellbeing.com/services/psychedelics and numinuswellness.com/services/psychedelic-harm-reduction-and-integration Andrew and Dr. Joe spoke about: What is integration What is Psychedelic Harm Reduction and Integration (PHRI) The importance of setting intentions How psychedelics can reduce the rigidity of our minds and open us up Examples of integration practices What you can do if you’ve had a destabilizing psychedelic experience The marriage between mindfulness, integration, and psychedelic experiences Connect with Andrew on Twitter, Instagram, and LinkedIn. Connect with Dr. Joe on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. Follow Mindspace on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and Instagram.