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Elite Agent
Thought Leaders – Real Estate Re-imagined spotlights the outside-the-box minds rewriting how property is sold, leased and managed worldwide. Host Samantha McLean, editor of Elite Agent, shares frank, inspiring conversations with real estate practitioners as well as founders and entrepreneurs from outside the industry. Expect actionable playbooks on AI-powered prospecting, climate-change resilience, brand storytelling, next-gen leadership and talent retention. Each episode distils data and tactics you can apply immediately—whether you’re chasing your first million in GCI, steering a multi-office network or craving a better work-life balance. Subscribe to reimagine what’s possible and thrive in real estate’s new era.
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Aug 23, 2019 • 31min
What Gavin Rubinstein did next – Episode 99
Gavin Rubinstein, Director of Ray White The Rubinstein Group has proven himself to be among the best real estate agents in Australia. Recently, his long-time association with Ray White Double Bay came to an end and in this interview, he speaks out about how hard work and teamwork have enabled him to step up to a new challenge, taking on a new role as leader of his own business.
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In this frank and open interview Gavin explains why he chose to stay with Ray White. He also describes his new goals, his thoughts about the challenges of being a new business owner, why he’s super excited for the future, how he plans to grow his team, and about the new reality show he’s involved in.
“When the chips are down or I go through bad periods or go through periods of adversity, I don’t sit there feeling sorry for myself. I take the opposite approach of getting excited because one door closes, another one opens – and I always want to come out of that door a better agent, a better person, a better practitioner.”
Gavin Rubinstein
Some topics that were discussed include:
Gavin’s next move as a business owner in his own right
Why adversity can be your best motivator
Why Gavin chose to stick with the Ray White brand
The different mindset and approach Gavin feels will be required in his new leadership role
Why Gavin pays attention to those who are willing to back themselves and work hard
Why detail matters most in tougher climates
What Gavin does to put himself in a place of great energy – no matter what the circumstances
Gavin’s next set of goals: personal, business, and a reality TV show
Contact Gavin Rubinstein
Gavin on LinkedIn
Gavin on Instagram
The Rubinstein Group Website
References & links mentioned:
Ray White Group website
Cae Thomas
Oliver Lavers
Bradley Plos
Jerome Srot
Remi Quinlivan
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Aug 16, 2019 • 33min
What the Best Real Estate Agents Are Doing: Stu Benson – Episode 98
The best real estate agents know their market, its demographics, its historical issues, and the needs of the homeowners they serve – and they do the hard work of talking openly with their clients about whether they can expect to get their dream price or not.
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That’s according to Benson Auction’s Stu Benson, our guest on this week’s episode of Elevate. Stu has worked in the real estate industry as both an agent and an auctioneer for 19 years, beginning his own auction firm in 2010. To say he’s passionate about the auction process would be an understatement.
Working alongside many agents and presiding over auctions regularly, he has a unique perspective about what’s happening in the real estate markets.
In this episode you’ll hear Stu discuss his strategies for running successful auction campaigns, his expectations for the Spring selling season, advice for marketing and social media, how he balances the demands of his growing family and his growing business, and much more.
“I can tell the good agents when I get to auction day. The vendors still want to have a lofty reserve, but they are very willing to move if the market does what the agent said the market would do.
“Whereas, I go to other auctions and there are vendors who I know haven’t been given any tough dialogue during the campaign or any doses of reality, and so come auction day, their head is in the clouds.
Some topics that were discussed include:
How Stu got into real estate, and how he became a full-time auctioneer
Stu’s perspective on whether there is sunshine coming in Spring
How to talk to vendors about the right time to sell
Why you need to get in early if you’re going to be auctioning homes in the Spring
How agents can show sellers that all marketing costs are a worthwhile investment
What the good agents are doing right now
How Stu keeps his energy up and the balance in his life on point
The most valuable piece of advice Stu’s been given in his career
The word association game
Contact Stu and Benson Auctions
www.BensonAuctions.com.au – Benson Auctions website
Benson Auctions on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BensonAuctions/
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Aug 9, 2019 • 45min
How To Maximise Digital Marketing For Real Estate: Lisa and Mark Novak – Episode 97
Digital Marketing, for Real Agents, is essential if you want to stand out.
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This week we welcome innovators Mark and Lisa Novak to the show to discuss how they use digital marketing to drive business.
Mark got his start in the Real Estate industry working as an agent – and by the age of 21 he found himself the top seller in someone else’s company.
After receiving encouragement to start his own firm many times, he founded The Novak Agency.
Lisa came on board to drive the marketing department, and only recently moved into sales herself.
Over the years, Mark and Lisa have demonstrated repeatedly that they are not afraid of change, trying new things at every opportunity.
A great example of this is how they’ve been able to leverage social media to fuel their success.
This episode is a peek into the approach that has enabled them to dominate digital marketing within the Australian real estate industry.
In this conversation, we talk through the mindset they had to develop to be successful on social media.
Lisa shares how every agent can and should be creating live videos to demonstrate competence and build a connection with their future buyers and sellers.
We also discuss how the Novak’s get the word out through all social media channels and why they believe that in the digital age, there’s no excuse for a delayed response to customers inquiring about their services.
And since we recorded this episode on Mark’s birthday, as an added bonus you’ll hear how Lisa and Samantha celebrate the occasion, right near the end of the recording.
If you would like to meet Mark and Lisa Novak – they will be part of our Street MBA Sydney Tour on the 25th and 26th of September. Book at https://eliteagent.com/streetmba.
Outline of This Episode
How and why Mark started Novak Properties despite his initial reluctance
How Lisa went from marketing to selling
“Open 24/7” – How Novak Properties makes it happen in real-time
The 3-minute appraisal approach: How the team works together to pull it off
How Mark and Lisa overcame the challenges of growing the business
Next on the horizon for The Novak Agency: digital domination
How they scored nine deals in the past few weeks – just from Facebook
The principles you need to follow to get results from live Facebook videos
Practical advice for managing time and getting rid of the “head trash” that can hold you back from engaging content creation.
With mobile devices in-hand, there’s no excuse for delayed responses
Two of the well-known promises the Novak Agency have made to their customers:
The office is Open 24/7
The 3-minute appraisal
Obviously, both of those guarantees require someone to be available to respond to enquiries the moment they come in – and the Novak Agency has built systems and team cooperation that enables it to happen without fail. It does take a lot of work, but its work the pair says is well worth the effort.
Digital Marketing for real estate is about consistency, authenticity, and getting past the fear…
Mark and Lisa receive feedback from people all the time about how helpful and even anticipated their videos and other social posts have become.
They believe it happens because of three simple things:
Consistency
Authenticity
Getting past the fear
All three points are vital – and you can hear them each explained in the episode audio. But on that last point, Lisa says she came to the realisation that the fears running around in her head about how she might look, whether she might make a mistake, or if her hair looked alright were irrelevant. What mattered most was serving the people who needed the content she was producing. When she’s able to keep her focus on that, she can produce content that meets a need – and she’s even learned how to do it on-the-fly without much preparation.
2.4 million impressions over 28 days – and it’s free (mostly)
How effective has The Novak Agency’s approach to digital marketing been? Over any 28 day period they are making 2.4 million impressions with their social media efforts. As little as five years ago, that kind of viewership on any broadcast medium would have cost more than any agency could afford. But now, social media makes it possible, for free. At least it’s free in terms of the money you have to spend.
But Mark makes the point that it’s not free in other important ways.
You’ll have to invest time in producing truly valuable content that resonates with potential buyers and sellers. That’s a cost you should not underestimate.
For the Novak Agency, these costs have been recouped multiple times over.
Case in point: Lisa has signed nine real estate deals directly from her digital marketing efforts using Facebook in the last few weeks. That’s the kind of influence and engagement with real customers that every real estate agent is looking for. Lisa’s experience proves it’s possible if you’re willing to put in the time and work required.
Social media content creation is not about you. It’s about the people you help – and how your brand resonates with them
As you start to think through the types of content you should create for social media, the first step is to realise that what you’re doing is not about you. That means you want to forget the “head trash” that tells you not to move forward (eg fear) and instead focus on the people you have the potential to help.
Lisa’s advice: Find what fits you.
For example, Lisa discovered that she genuinely enjoys connecting with people and finding a way to help them – whether that help is in the form of real estate advice and services or not. When she serves in such an unselfish way, people remember her when it’s time to list their property or buy a new home.
On the other hand, when she tried to apply the “golden rule” of real estate by prospecting through cold calling (she actually printed out the Novak Agency database and started making calls), she knew within a day it wasn’t something she’d be able to sustain long term.
The Novak Agency social media approach flows out of that same belief of doing what fits you personally. Lisa and Mark are entirely themselves on social media, speaking honestly about the properties they have available, essentially doing their job as an agent in full view of the public. In doing so they are building and projecting their brand identity and ethos with every video and post.
As a word of final advice, Mark says that it’s very obvious agents have to sell real estate, but what you stand for while you’re doing it is super important. Quoting an old maxim, he says,
“It’s better to be worth a dollar than to have a dollar.”
By that, he means that your personal brand communicates your worth – customers will come to you, respond to your videos and social media efforts, and list their homes with you when they see that you (your brand) stand for something valuable.
Why is it so important? The typical customer interviews three to four agents when they start looking for a real estate professional. When you stand before a potential customer alongside other agents, offering the same exact services, something needs to stand out – and it needs to be smarter, faster, better, and stronger than your competitors. THAT distinction comes from being clear about your brand and communicating it well.
True to form, Mark and Lisa are entirely transparent in this conversation, explaining in very clear terms how they have maximised digital marketing for real estate. You’ll benefit tremendously from listening to what they share and applying what you learn.
Resources & People Mentioned
The Novak Properties 3-minute appraisal
Facebook Marketplace
Mel Robbins’ 5-second rule
Angie Gensler’s Social Media Calendar
Connect with Mark and Lisa Novak and The Novak Agency
https://thenovakagency.com/
Novak Agency on Facebook
The Novak Agency on Twitter: @TheNovakAgency
The Novak Agency on Instagram: @NovakProperties
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Aug 2, 2019 • 49min
Innovative thinking in Real Estate: Lisa Messenger – Episode 96
Work-life balance has been taking on additional meaning as technology is creating ways to stay connected to work wherever you may be.
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For real estate agents this brings two types of opportunities:
Doing what you love to do and the ability to work on your own terms; employing flexible teams that choose to work on their own terms
Finding suitable homes for people who choose to be more digitally nomadic, a trend that is expected to gather momentum in the future.
On this episode of Elevate, we are super excited to welcome to Lisa Messenger to the show.
Lisa is the CEO of The Messenger Group and the Collective Hub. She is a speaker, best-selling author, and a leading voice when it comes to the issues of innovation and disruption, in both the corporate sector and the start-up world.
This conversation will talk through the some of the lessons from her own ‘daring and disruptive’ entrepreneurial journey as well as unpacking some of the big lessons in her books – including Risk and Resilience, and the newly released Work from Wherever.
We talk through how she became resilient enough to weather the storm of making and breaking her own brand in the face of disruption. And we’re going to talk about building a brand while on the move.
Outline of This Episode
How Lisa’s business, The Collective Hub, has changed over the last 12 months
The trends that inspired Work From Wherever
Why business needs to change to embrace servicing ‘digital nomads’
Lisa’s message to real estate business owners who don’t like change much
How to embrace a new way of thinking to take advantage of new trends and opportunities
Why hard sells are out and how to offer value
How you can use freelancers to cut your wage bill
How to hire your “weaknesses”
What if Lisa were to start a real estate business herself
There is more to business innovation than just “more sales”
The real estate industry is one of the most exciting industries out there. So much opportunity exists. But as with many businesses, contact with clients and customers is becoming more relational and less transactional. The hard-sell no longer works. Customers are looking for companies they can trust and respect.
That means real estate professionals need to learn to think differently. Find new ways to engage with clients that go beyond the actual transaction of moving homes. When you think differently, you can create ways to show that you care about people, which removes their fears about such a weighty transaction as selling or buying a home. If you stop the hard-sell and solve a problem, people will buy anything from you. Part of what it takes to innovate in real estate is learning to look through your customer’s eyes and providing exactly what they are looking for. When you’re able to do that, you’ll get really clear on what your place in the industry is – and can develop services around your mission. Don’t try to be everything to everyone. Diversify, test thoroughly, and iterate. That is the true innovation in the modern world of real estate.
Could you, as a real estate professional, embrace a digital nomad lifestyle?
It’s not only possible, it’s happening all over the world. But many who try to be a digital nomad find it hard to stay on top of things. That’s because, when you embrace the digital nomad business model and are no longer tied to bricks and mortar, you must put specific systems in place to ensure accountability.
Lisa explains how establishing specific KPIs (Key Performance Indicators) or deliverables to track contractors and other remote workers. Solopreneurs, entrepreneurs, and even corporations can take advantage of the opportunities offered through remote employees who travel and work from co-working spaces, on the road, and even from abroad. But it can also be disconcerting when you must adapt to the lack of regimentation.
Efficiency and productivity improve with remote work arrangements
Lisa’s business – CollectiveHub – is all about entrepreneurs. They are learning that changing business models are widely accepted by groups such as millennials and Gen Z who want to try everything. Their goal is to remain free to pursue other interests while the arrangement boosts efficiency and productivity. A flexible work-life is also ideal for people with families. But, even with this kind of freedom, you still have to perform and deliver. It’s a privilege that can’t be taken lightly – with dire consequences if not done right.
Do you really need to meet clients face to face to close a deal?
Real estate is traditionally a bricks-and-mortar business. Can you physically remove yourself from the transaction and still service the industry? The industry has already changed with the internet. Agents are brought into the relationship much later than they used to be.
Real Estate innovation is possible when you look outside the industry for innovations.
It’s important these days to know what your purpose is and simplify it. “Know what you stand for,” Lisa says. What ignites you? What is your why? “When you’re clear on your why, the how will take care of itself.” Lisa stays as lean as she possibly can—staying nimble and moving from project to project. She doesn’t even sign long-term contracts so she doesn’t find herself back in survival mode. She leaves us with the following quote.
“My mandate is being an entrepreneur for entrepreneurs, living my life out loud, and showing that anything is possible.”
Resources & People Mentioned
Lisa’s Books
Daring and Disruptive
Purpose
Money and Mindfulness
Work from Wherever
Risk and Resilience
Luxury Living subscriptionProcess StreetSlackAsanaMondayPhil Knight BooksRichard Branson“The Tim Ferris Show” podcast“How I Built This” podcastLuxury living subscription
Connect with Lisa Messenger
Website : http://www.lisamessenger.com/Twitter : https://twitter.com/lisamessengerFacebook : https://www.facebook.com/lisamessengercollective/CollectiveHub : https://collectivehub.com/
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Jul 26, 2019 • 28min
Tips For Reaching Peak Performance: Wayne Pearce OAM – Episode 95
“Peak performance” is a term that can apply to many disciplines – sports, entertainment, business, politics – and one of the Australian legends known for performing at the very top of his game, in a quite literal way, is Wayne Pearce. Wayne’s reputation as a professional rugby league player and coach never fails to stir the people to whom he speaks. During his time in the league, Wayne was voted “Players player of the tour” for the undefeated 1982 ‘Invincibles’ Kangaroo Tour, winning the Harry Sunderland Medal as Australia’s best player in the 1984 test series against Great Britain, and captaining the New South Wales Origin team to the first-ever clean sweep in 1986. Wayne later coached the Blues in 2000 and was the only person to both captain and coach a series clean-sweep in the history of State of Origin.
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It’s an honor to feature Wayne on this episode of Elevate. You’ll hear him tell a few yarns about his experience growing up, what it was like to break into the professional rugby league, and some of the lessons he’s learned about striving for his personal best as a player and coach. Wayne also shares how peak performance in the moment comes from being fully present in that moment, including the moments that make up sales conversations and other business interactions.
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Outline of This Episode
[3:19] How Wayne got his nickname, “Junior”
[4:37] Wayne’s dreams about rugby growing up – and getting past the setbacks
[7:18] Game 1 of the legendary 1996 matches – and the correlation to business
[11:10] Wayne’s leadership role at 22 – what he’d do differently now
[13:50] The 1992 “Invincibles” squad and how the team came together
[16:02] What made Frank Stanton such a great coach back in the day
[17:50] Identifying “marginal gains” and manage relationships to reach peak performance
[24:24] One mistake Wayne would correct in today’s leaders: lacking authenticity
[25:53] Wayne’s advice to his younger self
[27:14] The message Wayne will be communicating at the upcoming Business of Real Estate conference
Peak performance comes from what you focus on in the moment
There is much to be said for the hard work behind the disciplines required to excel in any endeavour. But once you’re in the game – or in the boardroom – you’ve got to be able to bring those practised disciplines to bear on the moment before you. That moment is where you need to be at your absolute best.
Wayne Pearce knows what it takes to win, both on and off the field. Harkening back to his rugby days, he says that his ability to lead and play at the level he did came from learning to be fully present in the moment. He says that’s the only way to set aside everything else and do your very best when it matters.
Great leaders continue to learn throughout their entire lives
When asked if there are things he would do differently if he could go back and relive his days of leadership in the professional rugby league, Wayne says there are scores of things he’d change. He explains that great leaders are always learning, always growing, always changing the way they do things in order to reach peak performance for themselves and their teams. He can’t imagine NOT doing things differently were he able to go back in time.
Are you of the same mind? Do you make it a point to put yourself in a position where you can learn, grow, and develop as a person and as a leader? The upcoming Business of Real Estate Conference is one opportunity for you to hone your skills – and Wayne will be speaking there as well. Join him at the conference and experience his insight and wisdom first-hand.
A great leader empowers those they lead to believe in themselves
All of us have our down times – moments when we are discouraged or deflated. Wayne knows that is part of the human condition and believes that leaders are responsible to help those they lead move past the emotion of a given moment so they can realise their full potential.
In his study of leadership and psychology, Wayne has discovered that there are only 6 types of distress patterns (emotional responses or reactions) common to the human race. Once he understood that, he recognised that leaders who learn how to invite people out of those patterns are able to help them believe in themselves and reach their peak level of performance. Listen, to hear how Wayne does it.
The best relationships in teams and with customers are built on trust
During his days as a professional rugby player and coach, Wayne demonstrated to a watching world what is required to be a peak performer. Since establishing his coaching and consulting business he’s made it his goal to learn and apply the latest in psychology and neuroscience to the relationships that make up business and teams. He’s learned that he has to know how the human soul operates if he’s going to give his clients the results they need.
An example of the types of things Wayne teaches is illustrated in his explanation of how trust is built between two people. He says that you must acknowledge and share a common currency in the moment, which depends largely on how the other person likes to receive information. Are they only interested in the facts? What role does emotion play in their consideration? These and other questions can help you discover the best ways to interact with each person so that you can build the trust needed to reach peak performance together.
Listen and learn from this legendary leader – and find out how you can join him at the upcoming Business of Real Estate Conference.
Resources & People Mentioned
The Business of Real Estate Conference
Glenn McGrath – Line and Length
Connect with Wayne Pearce
Wayne Pearce Advantage
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Jul 19, 2019 • 43min
Things are looking up for the Australian Real Estate Market: Matt Lahood
The Australian Real Estate Market has seen its share of difficulties in the past 12 months. With an election behind us and an interesting future ahead, this week, we bring you the perspective of an industry leader who has seen many cycles of ups and downs and is respected far and wide – Matt Lahood.
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Matt is the CEO of The Agency – an Australia-wide full-service real estate firm, publicly listed on the Australian Stock Exchange.
Many say that Matt’s name is synonymous with Australian real estate because he’s honed his expertise in everything from property sales to auctioneering in over 30 years in the industry.
He’s a coach and mentor to many agents and an outstanding leader.
In this episode you’ll hear Matt share what’s going on in the sales and rental markets across the country, explain how his team is working to stay at the forefront of the industry and provide his best advice on how leaders in the Australian Real Estate Market can help their teams move into their best season of business ever.
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Outline of This Episode
[0:53] How The Agency’s partner model works vs the traditional franchise model
[6:30] Highlights of what’s happening around Australia from Matt’s quarterly market report
[16:34] Why we should maybe consider other macroeconomic market levers instead of simply lowering interest rates again.
[19:45] The Leadership Diaries Q&A
[27:08] How the culture of your business starts at the top
[31:51] Matt’s advice to his younger self about the Real Estate industry
[36:39] What one thing would Matt change about the industry if he could?
How technology is advancing the Australian Real Estate Market
Matt’s team at The Agency is working overtime to make the entire real estate process – from purchases and sales to leasing and rentals – as simple as possible.
He believes that making a perfectly frictionless process makes for the best customer experience and enables agents to work in ways that provide more freedom for everyone involved.
In this episode, Matt describes where his team is headed – and how they are using technology solutions to improve the convenience and efficiency of real estate transactions.
Why Matt thinks the Australian Real Estate Market is on the rise
The first four weekends since the federal election have seen over 70% clearance rates in both Sydney and Melbourne. Before this, Matt says there was a run of investors charging into the market due to uncertainty over the future of negative gearing. But since the liberal win that has changed, they have ‘cooled their heels’ and first-time buyers are coming back into the market looking for homes.
Will rates drop to .75% in Australia?
Interest rates have always been a factor used to put the brakes on the market. In the 70s and into the 80s there was a credit squeeze that caused lending to decline. But today’s low rates are the exact opposite. Matt points out that when the government only uses interest rates as the only lever in the economy, they are missing many of the factors that impact the amount of money average people have to spend.
There is talk of rates dropping to .75% or below – and John Kolenda from The Agency doesn’t think it’s the only solution. Listen to hear what he believes should be addressed in addition to interest rates.
The best leaders in the Real Estate industry demonstrate how to care
Throughout his years in the industry, Matt has become known for his own brand of leadership, to which he gives much credit to those from whom he was able to learn. One of the things he says over and over, which is not surprising when you know him, is that leaders are charged with caring for the people they lead.
His belief – borne out of experience – is that when you care sincerely for the people on your team, they will take care of the customer in exceptional ways.
Matt is definitely someone you want to learn from when it comes to leadership, so be sure you listen to this episode to hear the advice he would give to his younger self, as well as his advice for those who are still figuring out how to recover from the events of the last 12 months.
Bottom Line: Matt’s experience and insight give us reason to have an optimistic outlook on what’s ahead.
Connect with Matt Lahood
Matt’s company – The Agency
Matt on LinkedIn
Resources Mentioned
The Agency’s Winter Quarterly Report
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Jul 12, 2019 • 41min
The Property Management Models of Today: Fiona Blayney
How many property management models are out there today? It’s an interesting question because most people in PM only think in terms of one model – the traditional, full-service approach to managing properties for clients. But there are more options on the table for our customers now, with the vast array of technology available and new ways of providing services that clients can actually do – at least partly – for themselves.
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This episode features Fiona Blayney of Real+ – a highly successful recruitment, consultancy, coaching, and training business for the real estate industry. She’s also an integral part of the organisation and planning of ARPM – one of the best training and networking events in the industry.
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Outline of This Episode
[2:41] Most ideas our industry needs are at work in other industries already
[4:01] Why we should be building our business for the customer of 2025
[5:42] 4 different property management models to consider
[12:21] We’ve all been competing on the wrong themes as Property Managers
[18:46] What to expect from ARPM this year
[23:34] The Leadership Diaries
[38:50] Change is always happening, calm your mind so you can succeed
Which of the 4 Property Management models will you follow?
Those of us working actively in the PM industry are used to the traditional, full-service model. But things are changing – in fact, things have already changed. The models we discuss in this episode are already in play and every PM company needs to determine what type of business they are. This recognition could not only change the way you serve your customers but could also increase and diversify your revenue streams.
#1 – The traditional real estate model
We all know what this one is about. It’s handling everything from finding and placing tenants to managing repairs and collecting rent. This will remain an option for clients in the future.
#2 – Franchise-style, boutique, micro property management
Imagine a freelance sort of property manager, sitting at her kitchen table, using a property management company’s name, a piece of software, and their industry knowledge to manage properties in a geographic area. If you can picture it, you’ve got a good idea of what this model can look like.
#3 – The landlord self-serve model
This property management model is one where the tech is provided to an individual landlord so that THEY can more effectively manage their own properties. It’s essentially a “software as a service” model (SaaS), applied to the Property Management industry.
#4 – Online offering with fee-for-service roles
This is very much a hybrid property management model, offering DIY type elements but also individual services (repairs, for example) that can be contracted out for a fee on an as-needed basis.
Listen as Fiona dives deep into each of these, explains why they are important to understand, and why offering them through your PM company can expand your income streams and improve your customer experience.
Disruption is a ‘yesterday’ term – consumers now have serious choices
For some years now we’ve heard the word “disruption” used in an effort to explain how the property management industry is changing. Fiona says the word is beyond any meaningful use these days because the disruption has already happened. In today’s PM industry consumers have a wide variety of choices of how they can have their properties managed. The four property management models mentioned by her in this episode may just be the tip of the iceberg.
Do you offer your clients the wide array of choices now possible? If not, can you see how you are limiting both the choices you can offer customers and the opportunities for diversifying the revenue streams of your firm? Listen to this episode to hear Fiona’s advice about how to implement the right changes into your business.
The speed of change can’t be stopped, but it doesn’t have to overwhelm you
The four property management models outlined in this episode are an example of how technology is driving a rapid pace of change. Many of us have the urge to try to stop the change or slow it down. But Fiona points out how impossible that desire is and suggests that what we should do instead is to put our focus on calming our minds as we experience the change. This could mean regulating social media input more diligently, making space for contemplation and thinking, and more. Fiona’s experience in the industry as well as her current place in life, provide a wealth of insight on these issues, so be sure you listen to hear what she’s learning.
Resources & People Mentioned
ARPM 2019 Bookings: arpmconference.com.au
Yabonza Property Management
“Leadership Diaries” episode with JoAnna Ferrari
BOOK: Multipliers by Liz Wiseman
Connect with Fiona Blayney
Fiona’s company – Real+ – https://www.realplus.com.au/
Fiona on LinkedIn
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Jul 4, 2019 • 30min
Reading the crowd and maximising the final bid: Damien Cooley
Damien Cooley is without doubt one of Australia’s most recognised and booked property auctioneers.
Starting in real estate 20 years ago in property management, Damien is now relied upon by his many blue chip clients for his intimate style, professionalism and unsurpassed calibre of service.
Many of you have probably seen Damien working his magic on shows like The Block, which he has won a number of times. He has also regularly performs a number of charity Auctions including the upcoming House for Life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbXH2triIOw
One of Damien’s true superpowers as an auctioneer is his ability to read a crowd and understand crowd and understand where the value really is.
In this episode of the podcast, we take a deep dive into Damien’s world – why accepting $100 bid is sometimes as good as $1500, why Damien is still so involved in charity work, plus various auction strategies he’s using in this current market.
It’s the ability to be able to read a buyer, read a crowd. Know when I can connect and convince someone to bid fifty thousand dollars instead of $5,000 – and being able to press that button when I need to. But it’s also being able to pull back and give somebody time when you need to. That’s intuition – it comes with experience…
– Damien Cooley
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Some topics we discussed include:
Damien’s steep learning curve in real estate following a hailstorm in 1999
The unique position of Auctioneers in the market – what they see
What Damien feels about the market conditions right now – with volumes being (mostly) down
What to say to vendors who are waiting until August/September to go on the market
Where auctioneers can really add value to the transaction, both before the auction day and on auction day
How Damien gets buyers to bid – even when it looks like they may not
The ‘Theatre’ of Auction
Differing auction strategies (including vendor bids) based on how many bidders are registered (some, one, none!)
Using the reserve as a negotiation tool
What it’s like on The Block, and how Damien prepares for The Block, how it’s different to a ‘normal’ Saturday auction
The human ‘tells’ that auctioneers look for, and how that might impact the last few bids
The properties most suited to auction and why
The lack of female (!) auctioneers and why it’s such a male dominated field
The future of auctions and online auctioneering platforms
The importance of giving back.
Host: Samantha McLean, Elite Agent
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Podcast Guest: Damien Cooley
Cooley Auctions
Cooley Auctions on Instagram
Cooley Auctions on Facebook
References & links mentioned:
Youth off the Streets – Real Estate Sleep Out
The House for Life Charity Program
The Block
Briannan Davis
Auction Now
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Jun 28, 2019 • 25min
10 ideas that will make you more successful in real estate sales: Alex Mintorn
Over the past nine years, Alex Mintorn has become one of the leading agents on Sydney’s Upper North Shore.
He is also one of the top four agents in the McGrath network of more than 900 agents Australia-wide.
Along with his partner, Maddie Stock, they have been involved in more than 79 sales, worth almost $150m with average days on market at 22.
Having just stepped on to the AREC stage he gave the audience a 10-point plan and told them to be diligent and proactive. “This job is hard, but the prospective vendor doesn’t care. They expect you to be on. They want to feel your passion and feel your energy.”
In this episode of the podcast, you’ll take a deep dive into Alex’s 10 point strategy, once again through the lens held up by Adam Bryant and Bobby Reynolds from Agency Central.
We’ve had a lot of success recently by going out of our way to get to know what a buyer wants – rather than them bidding at an auction and we never speak to them again.
– Alex Mintorn
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Some topics discussed include:
The fundamentals (over most shiny tech objects) are still where it’s at in terms of real estate success
You can’t be a million dollar agent if you don’t start with the basics and then layer on the volume
How team structure relates to scale – and why knowing your strengths before hiring matters
How Alex structures his team of four
Why (and how) Alex makes prospecting fun
Building trust with buyers
Plugging holes and not letting opportunities slip away
What Alex sees as a “world class” open home
Social media – how to be consistent and real while having fun
How Alex keeps his days on market low
The technology that got seven listings in seven days
Guest Hosts: Adam Bryant and Bobby Reynolds
Agency Central
Behind the Suits
Podcast Guest: Alex Mintorn, McGrath
On the web
References & links mentioned:
Last week’s podcast with Tom Hector
Alex’s 10 point plan delivered at AREC
Give yourself permission to create junk – James Clear
Alex on Facebook
Alex on Instagram
Ghost voicemail
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Jun 21, 2019 • 21min
How to sell a property every 1.7 days: Tom Hector
At the age of 28, Tom Hector is already a veteran in the industry.
He got his big break when he was still a teenager, winning the 2008 South Australian Auction Idol competition, and has never looked back.
Having pressed pause on the plumbing apprenticeship he took up after leaving year 12, his success in the industry means he is unlikely to go back any time soon.
This financial year to date he had sold 207 properties.
Having just stepped on to the AREC stage this year he told the audience, “If you have lots of volume but not the skill to back it up, you won’t get repeat business. If you have great skill but not volume, that business is not sustainable.”
In this episode of the podcast, you’ll discover Tom’s tactics for building a sustainable business that scales.
But you’ll discover them through the eyes of a couple of young agents – Adam Bryant and Bobby Reynolds from Agency Central. We handed them the interviewers mics for the podcast for both this week’s episode (and also next week’s with Alex Mintorn of McGrath).
“I’m extremely process driven because when you’re selling a large number of properties – whether you like it or not – you have to be process driven.
If you’re not – things are definitely going to go wrong and when you’re conducting 15/20/25 open for inspections on a Saturday, you just have to move that stock.
Because – if it goes ‘dead’ after 30 or 45 days, the vendors start to dislike you, they start to want to go to a different agent or they start blaming you – that you’re the problem – and not the price.”
– Tom Hector
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Some topics discussed include:
Why we gave up the host mics for the podcast at AREC 2019
Process driven agents vs more ‘flexible’ approaches – and why they can both work
How Adam and Bobby got to James Clear when no-one else could
Barbara Corcoran’s two key questions to hiring the right agents for your team (awesome tip!)
If you want to get a crazy amount of sales you have to do crazy things
How Tom Hector manages his time and how the team is structured
Setting yourself up for the next day – it needs to happen the night before
How to become a household name in your suburb, dominating the market
The problem with volume and how to solve it through scaling your team.
Guest Hosts: Adam Bryant and Bobby Reynolds
Agency Central
Behind the Suits
Podcast Guest: Tom Hector, Harris Real Estate
Harris Real Estate
Tom Hector on Instagram
References & links mentioned:
The ‘Insta’ takeover
#WeAreRealEstate
James Clear: Atomic Habits
Infrared Saunas
Ben Greenfield Podcast
Scaling up by Verne Harnish
Note: Our first Street MBA tour includes a visit to Harris Real Estate in Adelaide – for more information and to book tickets click here.
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