

Conquering Your Fibromyalgia Podcast
Dr. Michael Lenz MD
When I started this podcast—and the book that came before it—I had my patients in mind. In the exam room, time is limited. But the need for understanding complex, often misunderstood conditions like fibromyalgia is vast. That’s why I created this space: to offer deeper education, validation, and hope.If you’ve been told that fibromyalgia "isn’t real'" or that it’s "all in your head," I want you to know: I see you. I believe you. And you're not alone. This podcast is here to affirm what you’ve lived through and to explain the science behind what you’re experiencing.Whether you're living with fibromyalgia, supporting someone who is, or a healthcare professional seeking to better serve your patients, I hope you’ll find trusted, evidence-based insight drawn from my 28+ years as a medical doctor, pediatrician, internist, lifestyle medicine physician, and clinical lipidologist.Together, let’s bring compassion and clarity to a condition that’s too often misunderstood—and help make the invisible, visible. You can learn more at www.conqueringyourfibromyalgia.com.
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Jul 24, 2024 • 31min
Ep 161 "You Look Perfectly Healthy to Me." Psychologist Laurie Dos Santos Part 2
Text Dr. Lenz any feedback or questions In this episode, Dr. Michael Lenz, a seasoned pediatrician and internist, resumes his conversation with clinical psychologist Dr. Laurie Dos Santos. They delve into the complexities of supporting individuals with chronic medical conditions such as POTS, Dysautonomia, and fibromyalgia. Dr. Dos Santos discusses her approach to group and individual therapy, the importance of validating patients' experiences, and the impact of these conditions on adolescents and their families. The episode highlights a significant study, "You Look Perfectly Healthy to Me" on the quality of life for youth with POTS, stressing the need for more research, interdisciplinary collaboration, and advocacy. Dis Santos shares her insights on understanding the biopsychosocial framework of symptoms and offers hope and practical advice for those living with chronic illnesses.00:00 Welcome Back to the Conversation with Dr. Lori Dosantos00:23 Introduction to the Host and the Podcast's Mission00:48 Resuming the Conversation: Group Therapy and State Reciprocity03:09 Deep Dive into POTS: Understanding Through Research and Patient Stories10:14 Collaborative Care: The Power of Interdisciplinary Teams13:31 The Genetic and Familial Connections of Chronic Conditions24:54 The Role of Therapy in Managing Chronic Illness26:24 Closing Thoughts and How to Reach Out for Support Click here for the YouTube channel Support the showWhen I started this podcast—and the book that came before it—I had my patients in mind. Office visits are short, but understanding complex, often misunderstood conditions like fibromyalgia takes time. That’s why I created this space: to offer education, validation, and hope. If you’ve been told fibromyalgia “isn’t real” or that it’s “all in your head,” know this—I see you. I believe you. You’re not alone. This podcast aims to affirm your experience and explain the science behind it. Whether you live with fibromyalgia, care for someone who does, or are a healthcare professional looking to better support patients, you’ll find trusted, evidence-based insights here, drawn from my 28+ years as an MD. Please remember to talk with your doctor about your symptoms and care. This content doesn’t replace personal medical advice.* ...

Jul 17, 2024 • 31min
Ep. 160 Understanding and Supporting those with Complex Medical Conditions with Psychologist Laurie Dos Santos
Text Dr. Lenz any feedback or questions Understanding and Supporting Young Adults with Chronic Health ConditionsIn this episode, Dr. Michael Lenz hosts Dr. Laurie Dos Santos, a licensed clinical psychologist specializing in working with adolescents and young adults. Dr. Dos Santos discusses her journey into psychology, her experience in addressing complex medical and mental health conditions such as postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) and chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), and the importance of building strong relationships with clients. She emphasizes the significance of validation and support, and shares insights on managing chronic illness through cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), dialectical behavior therapy (DBT), and acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT). Dr. Dos Santos also highlights the value of support groups and her work with Evolvin Therapy and Consulting, which offers virtual services to clients across 42 states.00:00 Meet Dr. Lori Dos Santos: A Beacon of Hope for Young Adults01:56 Introducing Your Host: Dr. Michael Lenz02:27 Dr. Dos Santos' Journey into Psychology and Specialization05:32 Understanding and Empathizing with Patients' Struggles07:31 The Power of Support Groups in Healing08:25 Navigating the Challenges of Invisible Illnesses17:28 Effective Approaches for Managing Invisible Illnesses24:47 Expanding Access to Mental Health Care with Evolvin Therapy26:44 Wrapping Up and Looking Ahead Click here for the YouTube channel Support the showWhen I started this podcast—and the book that came before it—I had my patients in mind. Office visits are short, but understanding complex, often misunderstood conditions like fibromyalgia takes time. That’s why I created this space: to offer education, validation, and hope. If you’ve been told fibromyalgia “isn’t real” or that it’s “all in your head,” know this—I see you. I believe you. You’re not alone. This podcast aims to affirm your experience and explain the science behind it. Whether you live with fibromyalgia, care for someone who does, or are a healthcare professional looking to better support patients, you’ll find trusted, evidence-based insights here, drawn from my 28+ years as an MD. Please remember to talk with your doctor about your symptoms and care. This content doesn’t replace personal medical advice.* ...

Jul 10, 2024 • 35min
Ep 159 Navigating Chronic Pain: A Therapist's Personal Story of Struggles and Insights with Rebecca Stein
Text Dr. Lenz any feedback or questions Navigating Chronic Pain and Mental Health with Rebecca Stein. rebs2425@rebeccasteinmindbody.comIn this episode, Rebecca Stein, a therapist with lived experience of ADHD and chronic pain, discusses her journey from experiencing unrecognized ADD symptoms and chronic pain to becoming a psychologist who specializes in these areas. After enduring misdiagnoses and extensive medical consultations, Rebecca was finally diagnosed with ADD, which transformed her approach to managing symptoms through a combination of medication and therapy. She highlights the importance of understanding the intersection between ADHD and chronic pain, particularly in women, who often face unique challenges. Rebecca also shares insights into the impact of untreated ADHD on mental and physical health, the role of therapy, and the importance of having a supportive network. The conversation delves into burnout, trauma, and the significance of accurately diagnosing and treating ADHD for overall well-being.00:00 Introduction to Rebecca Stein's Journey with ADHD00:30 Rebecca's Personal Struggle with Chronic Pain and ADHD01:54 Misdiagnosis and the Journey to ADHD Diagnosis03:46 Early Symptoms and Misunderstandings of ADHD05:08 Understanding Burnout and Its Impact11:49 The Turning Point: Diagnosis and Understanding15:36 The Intersection of Chronic Pain and ADHD17:17 Challenges in Mental Health Work and Self-Care19:19 Addressing Patient Struggles and Misdiagnosis26:30 Final Thoughts and Advice for Those Struggling29:45 Contact Information and Closing Remarks Click here for the YouTube channel Support the showWhen I started this podcast—and the book that came before it—I had my patients in mind. Office visits are short, but understanding complex, often misunderstood conditions like fibromyalgia takes time. That’s why I created this space: to offer education, validation, and hope. If you’ve been told fibromyalgia “isn’t real” or that it’s “all in your head,” know this—I see you. I believe you. You’re not alone. This podcast aims to affirm your experience and explain the science behind it. Whether you live with fibromyalgia, care for someone who does, or are a healthcare professional looking to better support patients, you’ll find trusted, evidence-based insights here, drawn from my 28+ years as an MD. Please remember to talk with your doctor about your symptoms and care. This content doesn’t replace personal medical advice.* ...

Jul 3, 2024 • 34min
Ep 158 Ehlers-Danlos, Hypermobility and Mast Cell Activation Syndromes with Jeannie di Bon
Jeannie Di Bon, a movement therapist specializing in hypermobility and Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, shares her personal journey with chronic pain and complex diagnoses. She discusses the difficulties in properly diagnosing conditions like EDS and mast cell activation syndrome. Jeannie emphasizes the importance of clinician awareness and the emotional toll of misdiagnosis. She also introduces the Zebra Club, an online community offering resources and support for those affected, and explores the intersection of EDS with neurodivergent conditions like ADHD.

Jun 26, 2024 • 28min
Ep 157 Case Study of Elon Musk and more with Dr Ellen Littman Part 3
Text Dr. Lenz any feedback or questions This episode delves into the complexities and profound impacts of ADHD, particularly in women, extending to discussions on autism's role in those also living with ADHD and chronic pain. Dr. Ellen Littman emphasizes the under-recognition and training regarding autistic spectrum behaviors in women and girls. They discuss how these conditions exacerbate difficulties in social interactions, increase susceptibility to environmental impacts like allergies or asthma, and contribute to emotional dysregulation. The session also touches on notable individuals like Elon Musk, illustrating how ADHD and autism can coexist with success. The episode aims to destigmatize ADHD and autism, highlighting the neurodivergent spectrum and emphasizing strength-based perspectives in diagnosis and treatment.00:00 Exploring ADHD and Women: Profound Impacts and Overlaps with Autism00:59 Introduction : Insights on ADHD, Autism, and Chronic Pain01:28 Understanding Autism in Women and Girls: A New Perspective07:43 The Complex Interplay of ADHD, Autism, and Emotional Dysregulation09:50 Elon Musk: A Case Study in ADHD, Autism, and Emotional Challenges12:33 Depathologizing ADHD: A Shift Towards Understanding and Acceptance16:14 The Journey of Advocacy and Education in ADHD and Autism22:47 Concluding Thoughts: The Importance of Holistic Approaches and Community Support Click here for the YouTube channel Support the showWhen I started this podcast—and the book that came before it—I had my patients in mind. Office visits are short, but understanding complex, often misunderstood conditions like fibromyalgia takes time. That’s why I created this space: to offer education, validation, and hope. If you’ve been told fibromyalgia “isn’t real” or that it’s “all in your head,” know this—I see you. I believe you. You’re not alone. This podcast aims to affirm your experience and explain the science behind it. Whether you live with fibromyalgia, care for someone who does, or are a healthcare professional looking to better support patients, you’ll find trusted, evidence-based insights here, drawn from my 28+ years as an MD. Please remember to talk with your doctor about your symptoms and care. This content doesn’t replace personal medical advice.* ...

Jun 19, 2024 • 30min
Ep 156 Invisible Struggles: ADHD in Women and Girls. Part 2
The podcast discusses the challenges of recognizing and treating ADHD in women, including the high correlation with negative outcomes. It explores the impact of ADHD on conditions like fibromyalgia and chronic pain, as well as the importance of tailored treatment. Personal stories and clinical insights are shared, emphasizing the need for support and understanding for individuals with ADHD.

Jun 12, 2024 • 31min
Ep 155 Important Perspectives from a Pioneer for Women and Girls with ADHD. Dr. Ellen Littman Part 1
Text Dr. Lenz any feedback or questions This podcast features Dr. Ellen Littman, a clinical psychologist with over 30 years of experience specializing in neurodiverse populations, focusing on individuals with high IQs, ADHD, and autism. Educated at prestigious institutions, she has dedicated her career to identifying and addressing the complex and often overlooked presentations of ADHD, particularly in women and girls. Dr. Littman discusses her journey into the field, starting from her internships in New York, where she first noticed the underrepresentation of girls in ADHD diagnoses. Despite early dismissal of her theories, Dr. Littman, through persistence and collaboration with other pioneers like Patricia Quinn and Kathleen Nadeau, brought significant attention to gender differences in ADHD, leading to her co-authoring a groundbreaking book on the subject. The podcast explores misconceptions about ADHD, particularly in women, the challenges they face, including misdiagnosis, the impact of estrogen on symptoms, and the pervasive issue of shame. Dr. Littman also highlights the importance of recognizing ADHD in the context of coexisting conditions like fibromyalgia. The discussion concludes with insights into the slow progress in broadly recognizing and treating ADHD in women, emphasizing the need for continued advocacy and education.00:00 Meet Dr. Ellen Littman: A Pioneer in ADHD and Neurodiversity02:58 The Journey of Understanding ADHD in Women and Girls09:08 Challenging Gender Bias and Misdiagnosis in ADHD13:51 The Personal Stories of Women with ADHD18:22 Changing Perspectives: Global Impact and Clinical Challenges22:27 A Call to Action: Reducing Stigma and Embracing Neurodiversity Click here for the YouTube channel Support the showWhen I started this podcast—and the book that came before it—I had my patients in mind. Office visits are short, but understanding complex, often misunderstood conditions like fibromyalgia takes time. That’s why I created this space: to offer education, validation, and hope. If you’ve been told fibromyalgia “isn’t real” or that it’s “all in your head,” know this—I see you. I believe you. You’re not alone. This podcast aims to affirm your experience and explain the science behind it. Whether you live with fibromyalgia, care for someone who does, or are a healthcare professional looking to better support patients, you’ll find trusted, evidence-based insights here, drawn from my 28+ years as an MD. Please remember to talk with your doctor about your symptoms and care. This content doesn’t replace personal medical advice.* ...

Jun 5, 2024 • 38min
Ep 154 What is Interoception and why you need to know about it? with Kelly Mahler OT
Text Dr. Lenz any feedback or questions In this podcast episode, Dr. Michael Lenz introduces Kelly Mahler, an occupational therapist who discusses the often overlooked aspect of our sensory experiences: interoception. Kelly explains interoception as the body's ability to perceive its internal state, which affects emotions, hunger, pain, and more. She shares insights into how recognizing and fostering interoception can improve life quality, reduce distress, and aid in managing chronic conditions like fibromyalgia. The conversation also covers the challenges of those with interoceptive differences, particularly in the neurodivergent community, and the importance of personalized approaches to therapy. Kelly and Dr. Lenz also touch on the scientific backing of interoception and its relevance in both understanding oneself and navigating healthcare interactions more effectively.00:00 Welcome to the Podcast: Introducing Occupational Therapy and Interoception00:47 Meet the Host: Dr. Michael Lens's Background and Disclaimer01:13 Introducing Kelly Mahler: The Occupational Therapist's Journey01:33 Understanding Occupational Therapy and Sensory Processing02:44 Diving Deep into Our Senses: Beyond the Basic Five04:34 Exploring Interoception: The Internal Sense05:08 Kelly's Personal and Professional Discovery of Interoception05:57 The Impact of Interoception Differences on Daily Life13:39 Investigating the Causes of Interoception Differences16:39 The Real-life Consequences of Interoception Differences22:12 Improving Interoception: Strategies and Mindfulness25:04 Raising Interoception Awareness: Education and Advocacy31:27 Final Thoughts and Resources for Interoception Click here for the YouTube channel Support the showWhen I started this podcast—and the book that came before it—I had my patients in mind. Office visits are short, but understanding complex, often misunderstood conditions like fibromyalgia takes time. That’s why I created this space: to offer education, validation, and hope. If you’ve been told fibromyalgia “isn’t real” or that it’s “all in your head,” know this—I see you. I believe you. You’re not alone. This podcast aims to affirm your experience and explain the science behind it. Whether you live with fibromyalgia, care for someone who does, or are a healthcare professional looking to better support patients, you’ll find trusted, evidence-based insights here, drawn from my 28+ years as an MD. Please remember to talk with your doctor about your symptoms and care. This content doesn’t replace personal medical advice.* ...

May 29, 2024 • 44min
Ep 153 Finding Strength in Diagnosis: Can Understanding Fibromyalgia, Autism, and ADHD Transform Lives? Part 2
Text Dr. Lenz any feedback or questions This episode of the podcast features a conversation with Dr. Stacy Greeter, a physician who shares her personal experience with autism, ADHD, and fibromyalgia. Hosted by Dr. Michael Lenz, they delve into the challenges and encouragements for individuals living with these conditions and their loved ones. Dr. Greeter's unique perspective as both a clinician and a patient offers insights into the importance of understanding, support, and the right medical care. She discusses her diagnosis process and the importance of self-care routines. Additionally, the episode explores the difficulties neurodivergent individuals face in the healthcare system and provides advice for clinicians on improving care. Encouragement is offered to those living with fibromyalgia and neurodivergent conditions, emphasizing the importance of self-compassion and understanding from loved ones and healthcare professionals.00:00 Introduction to the Conversation with Dr. Stacy Greeter01:01 Dr. Greeter's Personal Journey with Fibromyalgia and Vaccination03:29 Navigating the Diagnosis: Speed and Privilege06:18 Understanding Fibromyalgia: Symptoms, Diagnosis, and Treatment07:04 Exploring the Intersection of Autism, ADHD, and Fibromyalgia14:22 The Diagnostic Journey and Recognizing Neurodiversity18:26 Challenges and Insights from an Autistic Psychiatrist24:33 Empowering Neurodivergent Individuals and Clinicians30:51 Closing Thoughts and Encouragement Click here for the YouTube channel International Conference on ADHD in November 2025 where Dr. Lenz will be one of the speakers. Support the showWhen I started this podcast—and the book that came before it—I had my patients in mind. Office visits are short, but understanding complex, often misunderstood conditions like fibromyalgia takes time. That’s why I created this space: to offer education, validation, and hope. If you’ve been told fibromyalgia “isn’t real” or that it’s “all in your head,” know this—I see you. I believe you. You’re not alone. This podcast aims to affirm your experience and explain the science behind it. Whether you live with fibromyalgia, care for someone who does, or are a healthcare professional looking to better support patients, you’ll find trusted, evidence-based insights here, drawn from my 28+ years as an MD. Please remember to talk with your doctor about your symptoms and care. This content doesn’t replace personal medical advice.* ...

May 22, 2024 • 39min
Ep 152 A Neurospicy Psychiatrist's Journey with Fibromyalgia: Dr. Stacey Greeter Part 1
Dr. Stacey Greeter, a psychiatrist sharing her journey with autism, fibromyalgia, and ADHD. Topics include accurate diagnosis importance, challenges faced in medical field, understanding autism in adults, impact of diagnosis, and advocating for patient-centric medical practices.