Enneagram in Real Life

Stephanie Barron Hall
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Apr 8, 2025 • 2h 12min

High and Low Thresholds by Enneagram Type (Special Release from Around the Circle Podcast)

Today’s episode is a special release from the Enneagram podcast, Around the Circle, hosted by TJ Wilson and Jeff Cook. This episode was released on their podcast in January, and I’m sharing the unabridged version here, with their permission. Check out Around the Circle:Podcast: Apple Podcasts and SpotifyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/aroundthecirclepodcast/Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/aroundthecircleWant to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.
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Apr 2, 2025 • 56min

Becoming Whole Through Slowing Down as an Enneagram 3 with Rev. Nhien Vuong

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, Stephanie Barron Hall interviews Reverend Nhien Vuong.Reverend Nhien Vuong, JD, MDiv, is an internationally accredited Enneagram professional with distinction, a certified somatic Enneagram facilitator, and the founder of Evolving Enneagram. She has been studying the Enneagram since 2002, teaching it since 2007, and training other Enneagram professionals since 2017. She holds a juris doctor from Stanford Law School, a master of divinity from Unity Institute and Seminary, and a bachelor of arts in philosophy from the University of California, Irvine.An ordained interspiritual Unity minister, Nhien marries intellectual rigor with a heart for a more collaborative, compassionate world. Born in wartime Vietnam and raised in the United States, she comes from a family of refugees who built their lives from the ground up. Nhien spiritual companions individuals from diverse backgrounds from around the world. She regularly offers scholarships for Evolving Enneagram’s many transformational programs and donates her time to various nonprofits and the incarcerated. Her extensive experience in pastoral care, community building, and conflict resolution help to foster a world where everyone belongs.Nhien is the author of the new book, The Enneagram of the Soul: A 40-Day Spiritual Companion for the 9 Types. Find the full show notes here: https://www.ninetypes.co/blog/tag/podcast+episode🔗 Connect with Reverend Nhien Vuong!📷Nhien’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/evolvingenneagram/💻Nhien’s website: https://evolvingenneagram.com/💻Facilitator Training: https://evolvingenneagram.com/upcoming-events🎥Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZzOVSVloAGQNX-AJG8Niow🔗 Connect with Steph!💻 Stephanie’s Website: https://ninetypes.co/📷 Stephanie’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ninetypesco🎥 Stephanie’s Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@stephbarronhallWant to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.
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Mar 11, 2025 • 60min

Being "Too Emotional" as an Enneagram 4 with Reagan Pugh

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, Stephanie Barron Hall interviews Reagan Pugh about his journey of self-discovery through the Enneagram, his new book Too Emotional: Overcome the Thunderstorm of Feelings, Shame, and Self-Doubt, and his personal and professional experiences. Reagan reflects on his early interest in introspection and writing, his professional career as an educator and consultant, and how the Enneagram has deepened his understanding of himself as the one-to-one subtype of Type Four. They discuss themes like shame, emotionality, and the value of taking actionable steps to move beyond internal struggles. Reagan shares practical advice for people who feel overwhelmed by their emotions and emphasizes the importance of participating fully in life. Find the full show notes here: https://www.ninetypes.co/blog/tag/podcast+episode🔗 Connect with Reagan!💻 https://www.reaganpugh.com/📷 Instagram: @reaganpugh🔗 Connect with Stephanie!💻 https://ninetypes.co/📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhallWant to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.
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Feb 4, 2025 • 1h 3min

Relationships, Instincts, and Sex with Dr. Sam E. Greenberg (5) and Lyndsey Fraser, MA, LMFT, CST (9)

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, Stephanie Barron Hall interviews Dr. Sam E. Greenberg, a sexuality researcher and therapeutic coach, and Lyndsey Fraser, a licensed marriage and family therapist and certified sex therapist. The conversation explores the intersection of the Enneagram and sexuality, particularly through the lens of dominant instincts—self-preservation, social, and sexual. The sexperts share insights from their professional and personal experiences on how these instincts influence sexual desire, relational dynamics, and communication in intimate relationships. They also discuss common misconceptions about sexuality, the impact of cultural conditioning, and offer practical advice for navigating conversations about sex with partners.Join Dr. Sam and Lyndsey for their upcoming workshops:A virtual Enneagram Type & Sexuality workshop on March 13th. Pre-sale available now through Feb 7 at this link HERE.A full-day in-person workshop Enneagram & Sexuality for Transformed Relationships workshop on July 28th in Minnesota the day after the IEA International Conference. Pre- sale available now through March 31 at this link HERE.🔗 Connect with Dr. Sam and Lyndsey!📷Dr. Sam’s Instagram: @Ennea_gasm💻Dr. Sam’s website: https://enneagramsexpert.com/📷Lyndsey’s Instagram: @lyndseyfraserlmft💻Lyndsey’s website: https://lyndseyfraser.com/🎥Youtube: @lyndseyfraser🔗 Connect with Steph!💻 https://ninetypes.co/📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhallHere are the key takeaways:How Lyndsey learned about the Enneagram and her typeHow Sam discovered the Enneagram and her typeThe three instincts and their influence on sexualityEach instinct's approach to sexThe challenges each instinct might face Common myths about sexuality and the EnneagramPractical advice for enhancing sexual understanding for each dominant instinctAll individuals can benefit from understanding their own sexual scripts and normalizing conversations about sexHow to approach conversations about sexUsing a book as a discussion starter can create a structured and neutral space for these conversationsRecognizing that all forms of consensual sexuality are normal can help reduce shame and anxiety around sexResources mentioned in this episode:Hot and Unbothered: How to Talk About the Sex You Really Want to Have by Jessa ZimmermanCome as You Are by Emily NagoskiWant to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.
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Jan 28, 2025 • 40min

How the Arrows Work and Why This Theory Can Unlock Deeper Understanding and Application

In this episode, we're breaking down how the arrows work, beyond "Stress" and "Growth." I was first introduced to this theory a number of years ago, and it has revolutionized the way I teach the Enneagram AND the way I apply the arrows in my daily life.This episode features one example of movement to the high side, and one example of movement to the low side, but I've written all about this perspective in Enneagram in Real Life, featuring more examples of each movement and strategies to build more of the high side of each arrow. Enneagram in Real Life is out TODAY! Be sure to grab your copy wherever books are sold.Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.
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Jan 21, 2025 • 56min

How to Choose a Career that Actually Suits You with Betsy Wills (3) & Alex Ellison (7)

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, Stephanie Barron Hall interviews Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison, co-authors of Your Hidden Genius. The discussion revolves around the role of aptitude testing in career exploration and personal growth. Betsy and Alex share insights into how understanding aptitudes can guide individuals to find career satisfaction, overcome burnout, and navigate workplace dynamics. They explain the science behind aptitudes, the practical tools available in their book, and how these assessments complement personality frameworks like the Enneagram. The conversation highlights actionable steps to foster career wellness and equity in professional settings.Watch the episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOPl_6Ud48MBetsy Wills, cofounder of YouScience and a pioneer in aptitude awareness, and expert career coach Alex Ellison have joined forces to write an essential life and career guide, YOUR HIDDEN GENIUS: The Science-Backed Strategy to Uncovering and Harnessing Your Innate Talents. Their research provides a custom-made road map to what makes you special, revealing your distinct combination of natural talents, interests, and personality traits—a mix as unique to you as your fingerprint. 🔗 Connect with Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison!💻 https://www.yourhiddengenius.com/📖 Your Hidden Genius Book + Included Code🔗 Connect with Steph!💻 https://ninetypes.co/📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhallHere are the key takeaways:Leverage Aptitudes for Career WellnessUnderstand and harness innate abilities to align with career paths or hobbies.Use aptitudes as a lifelong "compass" to navigate inflection points in professional life.Tools for Self-DiscoveryThe book Your Hidden Genius includes resources and a free aptitude test for deeper self-awareness.Personalized reports guide individuals in exploring their unique skills and strengths.Foster Empathy Through AptitudesUnderstanding diverse aptitudes among colleagues and loved ones improves communication and collaboration.Reevaluate Burnout SourcesBurnout often stems from unmet or overtaxed aptitudes; realigning roles or avocations can mitigate exhaustion.Permission to PivotAptitude insights empower individuals to explore new roles confidently, reducing fear of failure or inadequacy.Resources mentioned in this episode:Your Hidden Genius by Betsy Wills and Alex EllisonO*NET OnLineYouScience ResourcesWant to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.
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Jan 17, 2025 • 18min

Inside Enneagram in Real Life, Chapter by Chapter

In this episode, you'll find a quick tour of my upcoming book, Enneagram in Real Life. Listen in for short descriptions of each section in the type chapters and tips on how to read and use the book. Each type chapter begins with a short story, revealing what it's like to be inside the life of that type. Today, you'll hear what it's like to be inside a type Six's brain as she's dealing with an emergency situation.There's still time to preorder! If you are at all interested in the book, I would love it. If you would preorder. This is the single most helpful thing you can do to support authors like me because it lets publishers and retailers know that people are interested in the book. So if you want to support my work, OR you're just curious about the Enneagram, this is a fantastic way to delve into it.PREORDER HERE: https://www.ninetypes.co/enneagram-in-real-life
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Jan 10, 2025 • 1h 6min

Am I a 6? Or is that my OCD? with Enneagram 6, Christina S. Wilcox

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, Stephanie meets with Christina S. Wilcox.  They discuss Christina’s journey to identifying her Enneagram type and her evolution from mistyping herself as a Four and a Three before ultimately identifying as a Type Six with a Five wing. Christina reflects on how her experiences with OCD, mental health, and personal motivations have intertwined with her understanding of her Enneagram type.Christina is an author, mental health advocate, enneagram expert, and creative. You may recognize her from her first book Take Care of Your Type: An Enneagram Guide to Self-Care, or from one of her Instagram graphics. As her second book, Take Care of your Friends is released, Christina continues to pursue her passion for writing and analysis of behavior as she works a 9-5 in Content Strategy. She hopes to continue to advance her understanding of the Enneagram while expanding her written work and online content into other mental health topics outside of personality typing systems. She currently resides in Denver, Colorado with her husband Noah, and their puppy, Moose! When she’s not writing or creating, you can find Christina indulging in cozy video games, books across every genre, and quality time with friends and family. 🔗 Connect with Christina!💻 https://www.christinaswilcox.com/📷 Instagram: @christinaswilcox🎥Youtube: @genuinelycareaboutyoupodcast📖 https://www.christinaswilcox.com/books🔗 Connect with Steph!💻 https://ninetypes.co/📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhallHere are the key takeaways:Christina’s background and how she discovered the EnneagramTyping as a Six and searching for certaintyDifferentiating diagnosable OCD, Anxiety, and type Six patternsThe compulsion of rumination of OCDNot being truly seen because of maskingTalking about how stereotypes can be hurtfulIntellectualizing emotions as a head typeGetting information about emotions through the bodyTouching on how heart types show up in Typing InterviewsHow does Christina see Type Six and 5 wing in daily life?Needing to feel certain to feel safeThe importance of facing the fear and feeling the pain How to connect with ChristinaResources mentioned in this episode:Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP)Beatrice Chestnut Little Women by Louisa May AlcottTomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow by Gabrielle ZevinWant to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.
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Jan 7, 2025 • 23min

SNEAK PEEK of Enneagram in Real Life (the Book)

In this episode, I'm excited to share an excerpt from my brand new book! In Enneagram in Real Life, you’ll find a step-by-step guide to use the Enneagram as a practical tool for self-discovery, self-awareness, curiosity, and relational wholeness.Listen in to learn why I wrote the book, who it's for, and some of the challenges I've faced on my own Enneagram journey. There's still time to preorder! If you are at all interested in the book, I would love it. If you would preorder. This is the single most helpful thing you can do to support authors like me because it lets publishers and retailers know that people are interested in the book. So if you want to support my work, OR you're just curious about the Enneagram, this is a fantastic way to delve into it. PREORDER HERE: https://www.ninetypes.co/enneagram-in-real-life
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Dec 26, 2024 • 56min

An Enneagram 1's Path to Freedom, Wholeness, and Letting Go with Brian Lee

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Brian Lee. Brian is a pastor, coach, and speaker. As a survivor of spiritual abuse and religious trauma, he has spent his time since leaving vocational ministry in 2021 working to provide recovery and resources for fellow victims and survivors. In 2023, he created and founded Broken to Beloved, a nonprofit organization that exists to help other victims and survivors through its Annual Summit and seasonal Cohorts, while also providing trauma awareness and safeguarding practices to pastors, leaders an​​d churches.🔗 Connect with Brian Lee💻 https://www.brokentobeloved.org/📷 Instagram: @brokentobeloved🔗 Connect with Steph!💻 https://ninetypes.co/📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhallHere are the key takeaways:Noticing Type One patterns growing upFeeling like a mistake can lead to losing everythingThe Enneagram versus other systems of personalityKnowing what to do when trauma happensWhat is Broken to Beloved?Talking Spiritual Bypass (neglecting psych work) and Toxic PositivityHow does Brian’s type show up?Accessing the arrows to 4 and 7Shifting Type One patterns and moving toward transformation Working with shame and “worm theology”Discussing Brian’s Social Type One experience with the inner critic“One” by Sleeping At Last — “grace requires nothing of me.”Words for other Type Ones on this inner work journeyHow to connect with BrianResources mentioned in this episode:Tiny Traumas by Meg Arroll Internal Family Systems“One” by Sleeping At LastAs Long as You Need: Permission to Grieve by J. S. ParkIt's Not You by Ramani Durvasula PhDWant to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

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