

Into Africa
CSIS | Center for Strategic and International Studies
Fearless music activists. Savvy tech entrepreneurs. Social disrupters. Into Africa shatters narratives that dominate U.S. perceptions of Africa. With the world’s youngest population, the decisions made across Africa today—good or bad—will shape the world’s future. Featuring in-depth interviews, the CSIS Africa Program sits down with policymakers, journalists, academics, and other trailblazers in African affairs to shine a spotlight on the people and stories shaping cultural, political, and economic trends across the continent today and for decades to come.
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Feb 3, 2022 • 23min
Unearthing Africa's Role in Modernity
This is the first episode of the Into Africa podcast with new host Mvemba Phezo Dizolele, who joined the CSIS Africa Program as director and senior fellow in December 2021. Mvemba speaks with author Howard French about his newest book, Born in Blackness. They discuss French’s research process, the outsized role that São Tomé played in the modernity of the Western world, and how plantations—or, more accurately, prison labor camps—were the most important economic innovation of the modern age prior to the industrial revolution. French also describes the West’s centuries-long attempt to strip Africans of their identity, and how Africans and the diaspora are working together along identity lines to win back their rightful place.Born in Blackness (W. W. Norton & Company)

Sep 30, 2021 • 40min
Thinking Differently About Africa
In Judd Devermont’s last episode as host, he is joined by Nnedi Okorafor (author), Patrick Gathara (journalist and cartoonist), and David Pilling (Financial Times) to discuss why and how the world should think differently about Africa.

Sep 16, 2021 • 37min
An African Strategy Toward China
What might an African strategy toward China look like, and what are implications for loans, debt management, African exports, and people-to-people flows? Judd Devermont is joined by Hannah Ryder (Development Reimagined), Cliff Mboya (China Africa Project), and Casey Schmidt (VoxCroft Analytics) to discuss African agency and policy formation toward Beijing. They also talk about Zambia’s opposition leader-turned-President Hakainde Hichilema, as well as Kenya’s faltering Building Bridges Initiative (BBI).Background reading:
From China-Africa to Africa-China: A Blueprint for a Green and Inclusive Continent-Wide African Strategy towards China – Development Reimagined
Cliff Mboya Author Page – China Africa Project
VoxCroft Analytics

Sep 2, 2021 • 44min
Restitution
What is the history of stolen African artefacts—such as the Benin Bronzes—and what can be done to rectify these wrongs? Judd Devermont is joined by Ciraj Rassool (University of Western Cape), Charlotte Ashamu (Yale University), and Barnaby Phillips (author of Loot: Britain and the Benin Bronzes), to discuss if restitution is enough, and why the growth of the museum industry in Africa is so critical. Plus, they discuss anti-government riots in South Africa and the #FixtheCountry movement in Ghana.Background readings:Loot: Britain and the Benin Bronzes - Barnaby PhillipsDistrict Six Museum - Cape Town, South AfricaCharlotte Ashamu, Institute for the Preservation of Cultural HeritageJohn Randle Center for Yoruba History and CultureZinsou FoundationBook BunkThe commemorative state, human remains, and the question of missing-ness- Riedwaan Moosage, Ciraj Rassool, and Nicky Rousseau

Aug 19, 2021 • 34min
Africa’s Literary Scene
African creatives are using online literary magazines to publish their work directly to the web—resulting in more visibility, wider audiences, and richer conversation. Judd Devermont is joined by Abdi Latif Dahir (New York Times), Ambassador Makila James, and content creator Derick Matsengarwodzi to discuss this trend. Guests also cover the unilateral ceasefire in Tigray and pro-democracy protests in eSwatini.
eSwatini with Cebelihle Mbuyisa - Cebelihle Mbuyisa, Judd Devermont, Nicole Wilett
The New Magazines and Journals Shaping Africa’s Literary Scene – Abdi Latif Dahir
“What this generation wants”: African authors publishing direct to the web - Derick Matsengarwodzi

Aug 5, 2021 • 40min
China, the U.S., and African Security Chiefs
Judd Devermont is joined by Paul Nantulya (Africa Center for Strategic Studies), ret. Vice Admiral Michael Franken (AFRICOM), and Bonny Lin (Center for Strategic and International Studies) to discuss U.S. and Chinese government engagement with African security chiefs. Guests also cover the deployment of Rwandan and SADC troops in Mozambique and Burundian politics.Background Readings:
Personal Ties: Measuring Chinese and U.S. Engagement with African Security Chiefs – Judd Devermont, Marielle Harris, & Alison Albelda
Centering Civilian Protection in Northern Mozambique – Emilia Columbo and Kelly Moss
Testimony Before the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission Hearing on: “China’s Military Power Projection and U.S. National Interests” – Paul Nantulya
War in Resource-Rich Northern Mozambique—Six Scenarios – Francisco Almeida dos Santos

Jul 22, 2021 • 44min
Franchising Terrorism
Judd Devermont is joined by Anouar Boukhars (African Center for Strategic Studies), Jason Warner (United States Military Academy in West Point), and Emily Estelle (American Enterprise Institute) to discuss the dangers of overemphasizing or underselling the ties between regional groups and global Jihadi networks. Guests also cover French President Macron's decision to draw down Operation Barkhane in the Sahel and the ADF's links to the Islamic state in Eastern Congo.Background Readings:
A Course Correction for the Sahel Stabilisation Strategy - International Crisis Group
The Islamic State in Africa: The Emergence, Evolution, and Future of the Next Jihadist Battlefront - Jason Warner, Ryan Cummings, and Ryan O'Farrell
The Islamic State has ‘provinces’ in Africa. That doesn’t mean what you might think - Jason Warner
Swapping jerseys: What changes when African extremists join the Islamic State? - Emily Estelle
DRC: Designating the ADF - Jason Warner
False Choices: U.S. Policy toward Coastal West Africa and the Sahel - Judd Devermont
Déby’s Dead. What’s Next for Chad and the Sahel? - Judd Devermont
Rethinking Crisis Responses in the Sahel - Judd Devermont and Marielle Harris
Centering Civilian Protection in Northern Mozambique - Emilia Columbo and Kelly Moss
The Logic of Violence in Africa’s Extremist Insurgencies - Anouar Boukhars
Keeping Terrorism at Bay in Mauritania - Anouar Boukhars

Jul 13, 2021 • 2min
49 Trailer
Introducing 49, CSIS Africa Program's newest podcast, about the past, present, and future of U.S. policy toward sub-Saharan Africa. Hosts Judd Devermont, director of CSIS's Africa Program, and Nicole Wilett, Chief of Staff at the Open Society Foundations, discuss past U.S. successes and failures; offer policy recommendations for the Biden Administration; and share the best of the region's music, movies, food, and culture. One country at a time. The first episodes drop on Thursday, 15 July 2021.

Jul 8, 2021 • 45min
The Dos and Don'ts of U.S. Strategies Toward Sub-Saharan Africa
What does a consequential U.S. strategy towards sub-Saharan Africa look like? Judd Devermont is joined by Zainab Usman (Carnegie Endowment for International Peace), Nicole Wilett (Open Society Foundation), and former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Chester Crocker (Georgetown University), to discuss a focused and pragmatic U.S. approach to the region. Guests also cover Angolan President Joao Lourenco’s leadership and the standoff between Twitter and the Nigerian government. Background Readings:
Social Media Censorship Tracker - Surfshark
False Choices: U.S. Policy toward Coastal West Africa and the Sahel - Judd Devermont

Jun 24, 2021 • 42min
Presidential Offspring
Several African leaders are setting the stage to hand over power to their sons. Judd Devermont is joined by Brett Carter (University of Southern California), Regina Sondo (Journalist), and Paul Melly (Africa Program at Chatham House) to discuss the implications of familial succession across sub-Saharan African. Guests also cover Republic of Congo President Denis Sassou Nguesso's latest contested election win and the worsening Anglophone crisis in Cameroon.Background Readings:
Biden’s Diplomats Should Boycott Discredited African Elections - Judd Devermont and Idayat Hassan.
Africa's Political Dynasties: How Presidents Groom Their Sons for Power - Paul Melly.
Cameroon’s Democratic Repositioning: Is the Republic Now a De Facto Monarchy? - Regina Sondo.
Congo: Sassou Nguesso Wins Another Term but Still Faces Two Big Threats. - Brett Carter.


