

Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
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Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay dissect the biggest topics in Black culture, politics, and sports. Two times per week, they will wade into the most important and timely conversations, frequently inviting guests on the podcast and occasionally debating each other.
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May 23, 2025 • 2h
Kid Cudi Takes the Stand, and the Fight for Reparations With Jessica Ann Mitchell Aiwuyor
Van and Rachel discuss a wholesome TikTok trend (10:50) before reacting to the death of a member of Congress (14:15), and giving an update on the RGIII vs. Ryan Clark drama (20:06). Then reparationist Jessica Ann Mitchell Aiwuyor joins to dig into Maryland Governor Wes Moore’s veto of a reparations bill (29:40). Plus, Kid Cudi takes the witness stand in the Diddy trial (57:22), humanitarian efforts are stalled in Gaza (1:11:21), and director David O. Russell gets accused of using the n-word on set (1:27:19).
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Guest: Jessica Ann Mitchell Aiwuyor
Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 20, 2025 • 1h 45min
Biden’s Cancer Diagnosis, and RGIII’s Got Thoughts on Caitlin vs. Angel
Van and Rachel discuss Dan Bongino and Kash Patel’s comments on Jeffrey Epstein’s death (8:10), and whether Atlanta is still the Black Mecca (14:02). Then, reactions to Joe Biden’s cancer diagnosis (20:49), before Robert Griffin III earns Glaze of the Week (36:31), and Snoop Dogg addresses the Trump inauguration backlash (53:59). Then, writer Anna Malaika Tubbs joins to talk about her new book, ‘Erased: What American Patriarchy Has Hidden from Us’ (1:07:53).
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Guest: Anna Malaika Tubbs
Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 16, 2025 • 1h 47min
A Dive Into the Diddy Trial, Meghan Trainor’s New Bass, and Bringing Redheads to the Community
Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay start the episode by discussing the TikTok trend of including redheaded Americans in the Black community (07:20). Then, they go through a few “quick hitters,” including the restraining order sought by Halle Bailey (18:52), the backlash about Meghan Trainor’s new look (33:28), and their reactions to the introductions to the federal bill redefining what qualifies as “obscene” (58:14). Then, they bring on Yodit Tewolde to give a look at the details of the Diddy trial (1:12:09) before ending the show with an important message of change from the hosts (1:38:02).
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Guest: Yodit Tewolde
Producers: Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 14, 2025 • 1h 37min
Live from New York, It’s Higher Learning!
Van and Rachel took to New York’s Gramercy Theater in front of a lively audience to discuss the old guard of the Democratic Party, after David Hogg’s “get over yourself” comment (12:57). Then Van debuts a new spinoff, “Glaze of the Decade” (29:37), before thought warriors join the show for Animal Games (54:38) and a Rachel Apology Contest (1:12:07).
Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay
Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith
Additional Production Support: Chelsea Stark-Jones
Live Events Coordination: Elizabeth Fierman, Helen Eichner, Tessa Herrick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 9, 2025 • 1h 48min
The First American Pope, Plus Met Gala Rankings
Van and Rachel discuss the buildup to the selection of the new pope (14:37) and the acquittal of the officers who killed Tyre Nichols (16:46) before shifting gears to the Met Gala and its celebration of Black style (32:43). Then, instant reactions to the announcement of Pope Leo XIV (56:08), a conversation around the lawsuit against Smokey Robinson (59:09), and the discussion on Jayden Daniels’s mom makes a comeback (1:28:30).
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 6, 2025 • 1h 57min
Hip-Hop’s Jeffrey Epstein, and Trump Meets the Press
Van and Rachel react to Donald Trump getting involved with NIL in college sports (14:02), and the Turkey Leg Hut crime saga (26:16). Then, Diddy’s trial begins (32:54), Trump appears on ‘Meet the Press’ (50:59), and thanks to a mom saying the N-word, we have a new Glaze of the Week (1:14:53). Plus, a conversation about squatters' rights (1::27:06).
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 2, 2025 • 1h 44min
Paying Teachers, Missing White Women Syndrome, and Pool Party Foul
Van and Rachel discuss Donald Trump’s cabinet’s praise of his first 100 days in office (2:55), and Paul Pierce’s explanation of NBA players’ dating habits (14:51). Plus, Terrence Howard says what he’d do to his lips if he ever kissed a man (28:51), and Giannis Antetokounmpo gets into it with Tyrese Haliburton’s dad (35:33). Then, reactions to a video of somebody going too far at a pool party (47:35), before former secretary of education John King Jr. joins to discuss the present and future of the department (56:39), and producer Lisa Cortés joins to talk about her new docuseries, ‘Murder Has Two Faces’ (1:22:38).
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Guest: John King Jr. and Lisa Cortés
Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Apr 29, 2025 • 1h 49min
Shedeur Sanders’s Draft Fall: The Civil Rights Issue of Our Time? Plus, Cinematography and ‘Sinners’
Van and Rachel welcome former NFL cornerback and ESPN contributor Domonique Foxworth to react to Shedeur Sanders’s historic fall in the NFL draft (16:49) and Saquon Barkley spending quality time with President Trump (37:15). Then director of photography Autumn Durald Arkapaw joins to discuss how she shot arguably the most talked-about film of the decade, ‘Sinners’ (50:41). Finally, Van has a plan on how to defeat a gorilla with 100 men (50:39).
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Guest: Dominique Foxworth and Autumn Durald Arkapaw
Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Apr 25, 2025 • 1h 32min
Shannon Sharpe’s “Shakedown,” and Why the Earth Isn’t Flat With Dakotah Tyler
Astrophysicist Dakotah Tyler, a PhD candidate at UCLA and former University of Kentucky football player, joins to discuss some mind-bending topics. He humorously debunks Wiz Khalifa's flat Earth beliefs using scientific reasoning, emphasizing the importance of critical thinking. The conversation also touches on the possibilities of extraterrestrial life and the need for better representation in the space field. Tyler's insights make the complex scientific concepts accessible and engaging, sparking curiosity about our universe.

Apr 22, 2025 • 2h 45min
‘Sinners’ Box Office, ’The Quincy Avery Effect’, & How to Talk About Sex With Kamil Lewis
Van and Rachel react to the death of Pope Francis (4:00), before discussing the opening weekend of ‘Sinners’ and the way the film's success has been covered in the trades (16:09). Plus, Shannon Sharpe gets sued (30:05), Rev. Al Sharpton meets with Target (41:43), and we crown the latest Glaze of the Week (50:55). Then, Deion Sanders justifies the retiring of jerseys (1:09:31), before QB guru Quincy Avery joins to talk the upcoming doc ‘The Quincy Avery Effect’ (1:16:08), and sex therapist Kamil Lewis helps breakdown the social discomfort around sex (1:54:01).Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel LindsayGuest: Quincy Avery and Kamil LewisProducers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smithwww.kamillewis.comInstagram: @kamil.lewis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices