
The McMethod Email Marketing Podcast
By John McIntyre, The Autoresponder Guy
Latest episodes

Apr 4, 2022 • 49min
Daniel Throssell on How He Dominated Drop Dead Copy’s Black Friday 2021 Bundle Promotion
In November 2021, I ran a special Black Friday promotion on Drop Dead Copy.
16 world-class copywriters contributed 2 products each.
One for the front-end offer.
One for the upsell.
Since we tracked everything and commissions increased as you ranked higher, each copywriter competed for the top spot.
The more you sold, the more you made.
Plus, if you won… you got the bragging rights. You could say you beat everyone else.
That’s where Daniel Throssell comes in.
This skinny kid from Perth was the underdog.
He’d been writing copy for less time than most of the other copywriters in the promotion.
And yet, despite his newbie status, he sold more than every single other copywriter combined, making it damn near impossible for anyone else to win.
Plus, he did it in 4 days while everyone else used the full 10 days.
I remember looking at my computer screen as the sales rolled in wondering what the hell was going on.
It was insane.
So, like anyone interested in improving performance, I starting thinking:
How the hell did he do it?
How the hell does a skinny kid from Perth, a relative newcomer to the copywriting industry, dominate a competition with some of the top copywriters in the world?
How does he think about copywriting and marketing?
Why does he ruffle feathers, court controversy and stir up “high school drama” any chance he can get?
How does he think about storytelling?
That’s what today’s podcast is about.
If there’s ONE podcast you listen to this year, make it this one.
But before you do, a warning:
Daniel isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. He likes to… how do I say it… ruffle feathers. He actively courts controversy as a marketing strategy and he’s amazing at it.
As for the haters, instead of letting them bother him, Daniel sees them as unpaid marketing consultants.
They run around the internet complaining about him, driving more people to check Daniel out, and they don’t even get paid for it.
So keep that in mind as you listen.
Stay open. Stay flexible. And learn everything you can from this cheeky, creative dude from Perth.
Enjoy!
In this episode, you’ll discover:
How Daniel created his “offer to end all offers” for Black Friday 2022 (and how he used it to make as many sales as every other partner combined)
How he secured a jaw dropping 100% upsell rate instead of the “typical but boring by comparison” 20-30% rate that most copywriters and marketers get
How to leverage deep-seated psychological biases in human beings to dramatically increase your reach and drive more people to your offers
The ideal length for promotions: 4 days vs 10 days (and why the answer is not what you’d probably expect)
How to use controversy to drive sales (plus, Daniel’s surprising advice to his many haters)
How Daniel manufactures “high school drama” to keep things interesting, entertaining and fun for his subscribers (and why he believes this is a critical part of marketing in 2022 and beyond)
And much more!
Mentioned:
Daniel Throssell
Campaign Conqueror (Daniel’s paid course on how he created his Black Friday 2022 promotion)
Ian Stanley
Matt Bockenstette
Intro and outro backing music: Forever More by CREO
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Jan 28, 2022 • 46min
Carline Anglade-Cole on Why Your Copy Sucks But You Don’t
She’s one of the TOP copywriters in the world right now.
She won AWAI’s prestigious “Copywriter of the Year” award…
…got featured on Dr Oz…
…wrote a promo for Oprah…
…and now she’s here to give you 60 Kick-Butt Lessons on Copywriting… Business… and Life! from her new book Your Copy Sucks – You Don’t!.
Let’s get into it…
In this episode, you’ll discover:
How Carline kicks imposter syndrome to the curb with a simple, short statement about you and your copy (Lesson 34)
How to make people better off in ways they desire and are willing to pay for (Lesson 53)
How to keep calm and carry on even when you’re having a HORRIBLE day (Lesson 27)
3 simple words you should use to end EVERY email, letter or note (Lesson 33)
How to explain copywriting to a bunch of 10-year-olds with short attention spans (not a lesson – just for fun!)
Mentioned:
Your Copy Sucks – You Don’t!: 60 Kick-Butt Lessons on Copywriting… Business… and Life!
My Life as a 50+ Year-Old White Male: How a Mixed-Race Woman Stumbled Into Direct-Response Copywriting and Succeeded!
Carline’s website (join her ezine!)
Carline’s YouTube Channel
Intro and outro backing music: Forever More by CREO
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Oct 15, 2021 • 39min
Rob Marsh on How To Earn Double What Most Copywriters Earn
Rob Marsh from The Copywriter Club says he’s a simple guy.
Just a dad who writes words for a living.
But he’s much more than that.
In this episode, Rob lifts the curtain on a recent salary survey he did with his business partner Kira Hug at The Copywriter Club.
They asked thousands of copywriters to spill the beans on their income, experience, niche and more.
The weirdest thing they discovered?
Experience doesn’t matter.
What do you think makes the biggest difference in what copywriters charge?
Is it their age, gender, niche, education level, country of origin, where they live now or the language they speak?
It’s their niche.
Turns out, if you focus on ONE niche (and one niche only), you’ll make 96% more than copywriters who don’t have a niche.
Interesting, hey?
To get the full story, grab a coffee, tea or a shot of tequila and hit the play button below…
In this episode of the podcast with Rob Marsh from The Copywriter Club, you’ll discover:
The weirdest insight from Rob and Kira’s “Copywriter Salary Survey” (ignore this and you could spend 10 years spinning your wheels)
What factor makes the single biggest difference when it comes to pricing your projects? (if you want to earn double what most copywriters earn, this tip’s for you)
The hottest and most profitable niches for copywriters to focus on (no, it’s just the standard “health, wealth and relationship” niches)
The surprisingly simple reason why most women earn less than men when it comes to copywriting (plus, how both sexes can use this simple insight to double or triple what they currently earn)
The 4 things that drive your price and income (if you want to earn more as a copywriter, fix these 4 things first)
Mentioned in this episode of the Email Marketing Podcast:
The Copywriter Club (Rob’s website)
The Copywriter Club Facebook Group
The Copywriter Club Podcast
Women Don’t Ask by Linda Babcock
Copy Chief
Copyhackers
Kira Hug (Rob’s business partner)
Intro and outro backing music: Forever More by CREO
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Jun 8, 2021 • 37min
Daniel Throssell on How To Break All The Copywriting Rules And STILL Win Big (Warning: Not For The Faint Of Heart 😱)
His client calls him “Australia’s best copywriter”.
He’s one of the most innovative copywriters in the game at the moment (just wait until you hear me read his welcome email out on the podcast – it reads like a horror movie, alongside scary music on the podcast).
He’s also one of the most down-to-earth people I’ve met – great attitude, endless passion and tons of fun to talk to.
If you want to have some fun (and maybe get a few unconventional tips too), you’ll love this podcast with Daniel Throssell, one of the “best copywriters in Australia”.
In this episode, you’ll discover:
How Daniel beat far more experienced copywriters at their own game when he won Ramit Sethi’s Sales Letter Competition – despite being a complete beginner with no experience and no clients (hint: it has something to do with how he convinced his wife to let him buy a $200 book)How Daniel started with ZERO experience and NO credentials on Upwork, won paid copywriting work in his very first week and raised his rates to $200/hr within his first nine monthsHow Daniel gets insane engagement rates on his welcome series by treating it like it’s a “choose your own adventure” horror movie (I read it out LIVE on the podcast with some scary music in the background – NOT for the faint of heart )Why you need to STOP using the same tired, worn-out copywriting formulas that all the “copywriting hamsters” use (and what you need to do instead if you want to stand out in today’s market)How robots once invaded Daniel’s copywriting lab hoping to steal his spoils of war but Daniel beat them off with the stick of P___O___I__
Mentioned:
The Persuasive Page (Daniel’s website)Ramit SethiThe Robert Collier Letter BookMindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We ThinkThe Age of Propaganda: The Everyday Use and Abuse of Persuasion
Intro and outro backing music: Forever More by CREO
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Apr 6, 2021 • 31min
Kim Krause Schwalm on Dangerous Numbers, Personality Defects and The Coming AI Revolution
Kim Krause Schwalm is a hell of a copywriter.
She beat the late, great Jim Rutz in a head-to-head battle.
Impressive stuff.
Brian Kurtz called Jim Rutz “the copywriter closest to God”.
If that’s true and Kim beat Jim, what does that make Kim?
In any case, Kim’s back on the podcast today to discuss some fascinating topics… such as what to name your upcoming mice supplement product (among other things).
Check it out if you dare.
In this episode, you’ll discover:
What is the most dangerous number in business? And what can you do about it so it doesn’t leave you dead in the water?How to prepare yourself as a copywriter for the “AI Revolution” (plus, find out which copywriting jobs Kim thinks robots will NEVER be able to do)When to work for a direct-response company and when to work for yourself (Kim’s answer will surprise you)The personality defect that gets even seasoned copywriters into BIG trouble (This one’s extremely common but rarely talked about)Simple, easy tricks to manage your money as a copywriter (so you don’t end up with a boatload of debt that acts as a prison)
Mentioned:
http://copyinsiders.com/ (Kim’s mailing list w/ free resources)https://www.kimschwalm.com/ (Kim’s website)
Intro and outro backing music: Forever More by CREO
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Apr 25, 2020 • 52min
This Is How The Coronavirus ACTUALLY Unfolded In China
Worried about the coronavirus?
Don’t know if you can trust what the media says about it?
Want to find out how it actually unfolded in China – from someone who’s lived there for the last 10 years?
This podcast episode is for you.
Brian Miller is an American entrepreneur running a company called Easy China Warehouse.
He lives and works in China full-time so he has a unique “up close” perspective on how the coronavirus crisis actually unfolded.
Find out what happened in this juicy episode…
In this episode, you’ll discover:
how the coronavirus actually unfolded in China (from an American living in China at the time of the outbreak)how the coronavirus will affect the Chinese and U.S. economy differently (and how it will probably take much LONGER for the U.S. to recover)why China (and Asia) have dealt with the coronavirus so well compared with Western countrieshow to survive and thrive the coming months and years (and what to expect in terms of marketplace conditions and recessions)how to avoid getting fooled by all the B.S. coronavirus conspiracy theories floating around the web (save time and stop putting energy into stuff that doesn’t matter)
Mentioned:
Brian’s company Easy China WarehouseBrian’s LinkedIn profileEmily Writes: Down the rabbit hole with the Covid-19 conspiracy theorists
Intro and outro backing music: Forever More by CREO
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May 14, 2019 • 30min
Episode #208 – Stephen Somers on Irish Direct-Response Strategies To Find “Boring” Pots Of Gold.
Stephen Somers was young (23) and in need of direction.
He didn’t want to take the corporate job route…
and wished he had an online business mentor.
When his aunt introduced him to Robert…
it changed his whole life.
Robert was selling on different online marketplaces…
and Stephen got a tried and true “in the trenches” apprenticeship.
Working for free for an entire year doing all the manual grunt work…
Paid off big time as he learned the ins and outs of Robert’s systems.
Fast-forward to today.
Partners in several companies who are killing it…
listen as Stephen retells the struggle and climb he and Robert went through…
to build several businesses…
include the 8-figure “Marketplace Superheroes.”
It’s a true Irish fairy-tale of sorts as Stephen regales us with everything they had to learn on the way up.
It’s a fascinating take of brute force and whip-smart strategy…
as Stephen applies direct-response principles to physical products on Amazon…
as well as a freight business..
an accountancy practice…
and more.
Listen now and keep your note-taking hand ready as Stephen drops a virtual pot of gold along the way!
The rewards are yours for the taking.
In this episode, you’ll discover:
Sell THESE kind of products and ditch following your passion. Contrarian advice based in real-world success.Business-killing reasons why Stephen and Robert stay away from black and grey hat marketing techniques on Amazon.The real question you should be asking yourself if you’re selling online. So simple and yet overlooked. Simple ways to build up a business from absolute zero. Don’t reinvent the wheel – do what works. Jump-start your idea machine. The intriguing “full-circle” journey Stephen and his partner went on… will get you thinking.
Mentioned:
Marketplace SuperheroesStephen Somers on FacebookCase StudiesDavid Allan’s Make Words Pay
Intro and outro backing music: Forever More by CREO
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Feb 5, 2019 • 28min
Episode #207 – Nick Carpenter on Mastermind Secrets Of Companies Who Dominate Their Niche
Nick Carpenter comes from a military family.
He went into the air force because college had no appeal.
6.5 years later, deciding he didn’t want to go back to Iraq one more time, he got out.
You have to hear his brief thoughts about the real Iraq.
He decided to jump into real estate and so picked up his license in Texas and went ot work for a large corporation.
For three years he helped people buy and sell houses.
A bad breakup had him shift to a new company and a new office where he started training and onboarding new agents.
In short order, agents recruited Nick to help open a new company.
He was now in charge of all the marketing and training.
The hoops he had to jump through to even get paid were ridiculous…
listen to his golf course story!
He heard a big mortgage company was looking to create an in-house marketing team and so with the arrival of his second child…
he joined them. Hiring web developers, graphic designers, and video editors etc.
So since 2011, Nick has worked only with loan officers.
By 2014, feeling restricted and looking for his own opportunities…
he left to start his own agency.
Listen where he took it next…
In this episode, you’ll discover:
3 early “survival” steps Nick had to focus on to get his company off the ground. Listen to the number of ideas he went through.
The one simple change which caused potential customers to go from saying “no” to “yes”.
How Nick reframed his business to create a new emotional appeal.. and attract his own “congregation.”
One strategy Nick employs two ways to continue his rapid businesss growth. (Nick includes all the details)
Two massive, soul-crushing mistakes loan officers swear by. Listen to Nick and get rid of these two issues forever.
Mentioned:
Nick’s “Legion of Loan Officers”
Nick Carpenter on Facebook
Bobby Stocks
Mitch Miller
David Allan’s Make Words Pay
Intro and outro backing music: Forever More by CREO
David Allan: Hey everybody, I’m David Allan. Happy New Year. Our first guest of the new year is a guy I’ve heard a lot about – he’s in a niche I know literally nothing about. He’s very successful and has risen up through the ranks, so to speak – I have been seeing his fabulous posts on Facebook, I’ve been hearing a lot about his results, we have a lot of friends in common – we’re in the same circles…so I would love to welcome Nick Carpenter to the show…Hello Nick!
Nick Carpenter: Hey man, thanks for having me, I’m excited to be here.
David Allan: Yeah, this is really great. Here we are, brand new year – wipe the slate clean – however, you want to say that – people tend to set new goals and put new motions into action to try to get everything rolling…
Maybe take us back, like we usually do – We like to go back and see where you came from and how you ended up where you are now…so take us back – we wanna know what got Nick into treating and serving loan officers.
Nick Carpenter: Yeah, that’s such a good question. It is definitely an interesting path you know
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Jan 1, 2019 • 27min
Episode #206 – Chris Orzechowski On The Quick & Dirty Gateway Drug Into the World of Copywriting
Chris wanted to be a school teacher.
It took him precious little time suffering through 12-hour workdays to understand…
teaching school was NOT his future.
He started online by emulating his friend and mentor Zach Evanesh…
with a weekly podcast and blogging on strength and conditioning.
Trying to cut down the time curve, he began to focus on what he enjoyed doing best…
writing email.
The last five years he’s spent honing…
and expanding his copy skills.
Now he’s even back teaching.
Yet this time it’s email copy and client-getting skills.
He’s made all the mistakes getting his freelance copy career rolling so you don’t have to.
His students now snag retainer deals in mere weeks…
something it took him over a year to do.
Hence the value of a mentor.
It all changed for Chris when he began to place himself in the customer’s shoes.
How do you do it?
Listen now and reap the battle-tested, in-the-trenches knowledge Chris brings to this episode.
In this episode, you’ll discover:
2 simple changes he made which immediately resulted in new clients. Are you making these same prospecting mistakes?
The “Where are they?”client advice Chris recieved from an “email guru”. You too will smack your forehead when you hear it.
Never be at a loss again for finding new clients when you hear Chris’ “Poconos” story.
Retainer deals: The ins, outs, and the number one idea behind finding one.
The premier win-win arrangement for copywriters and business owners. Greatest value for dollar and least hassle.
Mentioned:
Chris Ozechowski’s website
Chris Ozechowski on Facebook
Zach Even-esh
David Allan’s Make Words Pay
Intro and outro backing music: Forever More by CREO
David Allan: Hey everybody welcome to another edition of the podcast I’m David Allan, we have a great guest for you today especially if you’re a copywriter – a freelance copywriter.
He’s been doing this for a while now he’s had some very public things we’ll get into here shortly I think which will be
interesting…Chris Orzechowksi, welcome to the show.
Chris Orzechowski: Thanks a lot. Super pumped to be here.
David Allan: yeah it’s really great to have you I sort of probably that’s how I became aware of you I think you had sort of a a public spat if you will with another copywriter who has been on the show in the past and it’ll be interesting to delve into the mechanics
of what actually happened here I think which will be illustrative I don’t know, cuz I don’t know really know how it exactly went down myself…
And then we’regonna jump into some talk about retainer deals structuring offers if you are a freelancer so people listen to this if you’re already in this maybe you can improve what you’re doing or if you’re looking to get into it you’ll get another perspective from
somebody who’s doing it.
Chris let’s just jump in with your origin story or your superhero origin story tell us how you got into email copywriting and so forth
and just where you were before…
Chris Orzechowski: Yeah, absolutely. so I like everyone else to know as a copywriter I actually started off as a teacher I wasn’t really sure what I wanted to do I was a wrestler in
college.
and I knew I want to coach
wrestling so I was like okay I’m just
gonna go be a teacher I’ll coach
wrestling and let’s do that so as soon
as I started teaching I very quickly
realized that it wasn’t for me and I say
very quickly I realize like the very
first day I was like oh man I’ve made a
mistake I don’t know if I want to do
this I think I forgot something else to
do and at the time I had this guy that I
worked for on the side this guy’s a
Kevin Nash he was kind of like my mentor
growing up he’s a strength coach one of
the early publishers of strength
conditioning you know infoproducts of
courses and those kind of things and I
remember like watching him as I kind of
like grew up you know going to his gym
and like seeing all the stuff he was
doing online and he was like making
money on the internet I was like how the
hell does that work I was like what you
know what is this like how come this
dude just makes so much money like
selling all these things I was like what
you know I gotta learn more about this
whole world because I’m so enamored by
it so um I started kind of studying what
he was doing I actually started like
blogging and trying to do a very similar
like strand condition type thing like he
was doing you know using him as like my
model and it was kind of hard you know
it was very hard to get traction is very
hard to get started this is this years
ago but uh you know I started doing this
wrestling website and I have like this
weekly podcast on wrestling coaches
those articles I had an email list those
are any emails every single day and I
was like trying to sell affiliate
products know do all the stuff I wasn’t
really great at it I’m you know starting
to build a following get some traction
but after late you know eight months of
doing that not really making any money I
said okay this is taking a whole lot of
time um I think maybe what I should do
this whole online thing is pick the one
thing I like the most and that gives me
the most energy and just focus on that
and so I started looking all the
different options of the online
marketing landscape and the one thing I
really did enjoy the most was writing
emails to my list and the whole copy
aspect of it so I started doing some
research and apparently there’s these
people called copywriters who get paid a
shit ton of money to put words onto a
Google Doc and then saw about to a
client and I was like this is
unbelievable
like I can’t believe this is a real
thing like I can just write words and
then get paid for it get paid pretty
well for it so obviously we know it’s a
little bit more nuanced than that but I
was just so like intrigued by this idea
I said I’m gonna go super deep and just
become really really good at this one
thing and the reason I kind of chose
email marketing and email copywriting
was because out of all the different
types of copy that I could write you
know as a someone who had a day job you
know when I started off as a school
teacher I was doing my 12-hour days that
first year I was coming in two hours
early I was staying two or three hours
later I was also coaching wrestling so
like I didn’t have a huge amount of
mental bandwidth to sit there and be
like okay I’m gonna work on this 97 page
sales letter
you know like for some of these super
competitive spots right I just want to
write like 200 300 more emails and you
know I’ll do like one or two or three of
those every day and I’ll be good to go
so that’s kind of what I started doing
and past you know five five and a half
years that’s really what I put my focus
into that’s that’s very interesting
because that’s right around
I started as same time and listened to
your story is almost like staring into a
mirror for me slightly different sort of
origin story I did not have anyone to
model but you know I sort of uh I guess
I did in a way because I sort of found
out Gary Halbert it sold sold me
something something he wrote sold me so
he became sort of my model I guess in a
way but it’s fascinating to I’ve heard
of Zac of course anyone who’s been in
online marketing probably heard of him
before so that’s interesting that was
your your origin now we said we were
gonna talk about you know maybe we’ll
start with the offeror thing so when you
became a freelancer
I know I’ve always sort of like gone
back and forth on this what sort of ways
at the beginning did you try to offer
your services and and how has that sort
of evolved up until now
well it’s gotten a lot better and the
reason I say that is because I was just
not good like I sucked and I’m not
afraid to admit that I mean it took me a
very very very long time to figure out
how the structure offers how to pitch my
services I don’t even find the right
people and I shouldn’t talking to um you
know it took me probably a year and a
half of really like focused effort to
get that first paying client and then it
took me you know a long time after that
to really get steady work and it’s funny
there’s now like I you know I coach a
handful of freelancers people reach out
to me and ask me probably advertise it
but um you know I they get results in
like you know seven weeks one guy that
I’m working with got a retainer and in
like seven weeks another guy got one in
like twelve weeks I’m like Jesus Christ
I’m so jealous you guys because like you
know all my mistakes but I kind of just
did everything wrong like what I was
doing was I was you know sending direct
mail to local businesses which are just
do that to some you know get it by a
list and write a sales letter and send
to local businesses and I was sending
it’s like to look like each fax and like
you know the local pizza place like
these people don’t even know what the
hell a copywriter is what alone are they
gonna be willing to pay like five or ten
grand to someone you know so I just
wrong I was called emailing I was even
cold calling and that was humiliating as
I got the phone slammed on me like
dozens of times it just sucked like it
was just a grind because I just listened
to all these people who were using these
methods you know some of these methods
people talk about it might work if
you’re you know later on in your career
and you have experience and samples and
all these things but I I just tried
everything and learned tried everything
I rejected so many times and then
finally I started to meet people who
knew what the hell they were talking
about it kind of guided me in the right
way
so when I started doing once I started
going after number one people who knew
what a copywriter was number two who
actually wanted help with copy those are
like you know the two like stupidest
simple things but they made all the
difference in the world and then after
that it was just a matter of really you
know and this is kind of a latter part
of my journey I’ve just really got a
brand new earth understand that what are
these people’s problems and how can I be
the person that goes and it solves those
problems right because what I found is
you know before you make any kind of
offer you structure any type of deal it
always has to start with that problem
much like any sales letter any piece of
copy s to start with the problem right
like we’re always looking okay like what
problem does this product solve and
that’s where we start all over our
research and that’s what we based its
our hook around for ourselves our sales
letter our email or VSL or webinar
whatever we’re doing but then we’re
copywriters and we go and approach a
client we just say hey you want to pay
me to write copy and then like know that
sounds a burly shitty experience right
like who actually wants to go and pay
some writer that they’ve never met
thousands of dollars to get a Google Doc
with words on it like no one wants to do
that that’s not you know that’s not like
an attractive offer and that’s what
happens as most writers approach it that
way but what I and I did that for a long
time so I’m not saying I’m like there’s
only one I just figured this out after
failing so many times but I figured out
it’s like hey why don’t we just find out
what their problems is let’s look for
their pain points and figure out ways to
solve those problems and if we can solve
those problems usually when you solve
those problems they’re very profitable
experience to these clients and if we
could solve a problem make them a lot of
money then them turning around and
giving us money to do that the first
time then do that again again again make
you know it’s it’s a win-win situation
for both parties involved so that’s kind
of like the evolution of how I started
to think about all of these things
that’s that’s interesting I know I feel
the same way and that’s a great great
way you’ve put it because it’s true like
you know these are the things you learn
when you become a copywriter but often
they’re not you don’t apply them in the
same way as you’d apply them for
somebody who’s not yourself and so
things like what you’re gonna say who
you’re gonna put it in front of and
stuff is off them like the mistakes that
you make as a copywriter when you’re
trying to sell your own services yeah
and it’s funny actually got that from
then settle I was a member of his
newsletter and I you know one of the
perks of being a members newsletter
where you could ask them questions so I
reached out was like hey man like who
should I go after if I want to be an
email copywriter and he replied back and
he was like look for people who are
sending a lot of emails and I was like
Oh duh like yeah that makes sense right
like find someone if they’re doing this
you know they’re either doing a good job
or a bad job most companies they want to
approve everything that they want to do
anyway so that was very sage advice from
him which I’m very thankful for that
really you know kind of helped me pivot
in the right direction but um yeah it’s
one of those things like it’s just a
matter of finding people who have a
problem offering them you know what I
like to call a dream come true result
and then proving that you could actually
do it and then after that making it as
easy as possible to get started look if
you can you know identify all four of
those phases of your marketing you’ll
never go hungry you’ll have clients
lined up but it’s it’s at the beginning
and you don’t know I mean you’re
starting out it’s very hard to figure
out those things especially if you don’t
have a model to follow or especially if
you’re following the wrong advice or if
you’re going into your facebook newsfeed
to find value bombs and try to piece
together your marketing education that
way I’m very against that whole
philosophy I believe in you know finding
people who are at the top of their game
and learning from them and that’s what
I’ve tried to do on this I still
continue to do so I’m very big on that
yeah I think that’s a very important
point you’re making there’s like I’ve
always considered myself to a student of
students of students so it’s like you
got to put the your ego aside and
attempt to learn and they because you
can learn from base every situation
whether that’s a positive outcome or a
negative outcome in then you have to use
those almost like little mini parables
for yourself to move forward yeah I mean
I know for me personally I can only
speak for myself but I feel like the
deeper and deeper I go into this whole
copywriting marketing thing the less and
less I know you know it’s like more like
you you become aware of everything
around here like I know so little you
know but it’s a cool thing because
there’s just there’s there’s so many
thanks to the internet and thanks to
where the world is now there’s just so
much you know ability that you have such
an ability to learn so many different
sources and to really you know
it’s kind of cool like going from the
public education sector to what I would
now considering it’s like the private
education sector with you know a lot of
the clients I work with we we sell
information you sell coaching yourself
expertise we sell those kind of things
it’s really cool to see that you can pay
you could learn whatever you want right
like whatever skill you want to learn
you know you have an opportunity to buy
that knowledge and to apply that your
life and to transform your life that’s
kind of what I’ve done I have invested a
lot and uh that’s something I’m also a
huge on but yeah I mean that’s that’s
kind of what it takes now yes so like
maybe speak to like something else that
I get a lot of questions about that and
I’ve have my own opinions but what do
you say to people like I’m sure you get
the same questions which was like should
I knees down what me should I go after
these kind of nice questions that’s a
good question you know I’ve heard
arguments on both sides and it really
imma give it crap the answers say it
depends you know personally I know for
me my evolution I was like a general
copyright or I was like hey you pay me
and I’ll write your copy and then I was
like maybe I’ll just focus on emails
because that’s what I really like and it
seems like there’s a need for that and
once I started doing that jobs that
easier and easier and then I kind of
switched my niche to you know I started
getting an ex to do LAN launches and I
became this like a lunch operator that’s
still kind of what I do a lot now and
then you know all my clients to me the
launch is also started you never green
stuff so I’m starting to become known
now someone who could turn launches and
evergreen stuff so like I think number
one it’s a matter of picking something
and then just being okay with that
evolving over time because I know a lot
of people I know even for me now some
days when like oh I’m thinking about how
i market myself I’m kind of scared to be
like oh I’m gonna be the you know the
person who specializes this because as
soon as you say that to yourself you
start to think oh that’s the only thing
I can do and I can never do anything
else what if I six months down the road
I hate this and I want to change and you
sort of freak yourself out right and I
think a lot of people have that fear and
have that someone blocked but the way I
look at it it’s like it’s okay to pick
something start doing it and if you love
it then you’ll keep doing it and if you
don’t love it you’ll probably find a way
to pivot to something that you like a
little bit more in terms of the actual
nitty-gritty of like finding what you
want to do I’m a big believer and this
is just my personality everyone is not
like this so you don’t have to take this
advice but me personally I was always a
big believer that’s a lot easier to sell
when you niche down by
medium of what you’re selling rather
than the industry you know some people
like oh I write alternative health copy
and if you’re one of those a-listers
you’re at the top of the game and you
know there’s 10 or 12 companies and they
pass you around you just write controls
rolling them like yeah that’s probably
pretty cool but I knew for me starting
out I didn’t have this connections I
don’t have that experience so what I
said was I’m gonna niche down by the
medium I’m gonna become really good at
email that’s one thing right this one
kind of project because it’s very easy
for someone who’s a business owner to
turn around and you know I don’t know if
every business owners like man I really
wish I could find a writer who
specializes in you know I guess I guess
they do right like if someone’s like oh
you know I have a software business I
really wish I could find a copywriter
specialized in software and people
definitely say that I’m not saying they
don’t it’s probably pretty common they
say that but I think it’s also pretty
common that people say man our emails
really suck we need to find some look at
help this or man you know our web copies
just terrible does not think the kid I
rested at all we need to find some that
would help us with this so I almost felt
like it was easier for me to grasp to
kind of get started marketing myself
if I choose chose a medium and then I
could go really deep in that one
specific medium and the thing is it’s
like even with that you know people
still might have the fear of like oh I’m
just gonna do this one thing and what if
I want to write a facebook ad or what if
I want to write a video script like you
could do that stuff too
but I’ve always found this like yeah I
specialized an email and then clients
hire me to do that and they say hey can
you help us to and I say absolutely I
can
and then there’s project number two
number three number four number five
yeah I agree I agree completely because
I think that’s why I started with email
and continue to love to do email
probably the most is because it’s kind
of like I think of it as like a gateway
drug you’re a drug dealer you know it’s
like because email still has the highest
ROI there’s cost nothing to send an
email really but also it’s like a lot of
people are neglecting that side of
things and then it leads to
conversations about bitter things that
they may be neglecting or that aren’t
honed in sharply oh yeah – like with
email that by the way email the gateway
drug would be a great I also think I
mean I just know for me like I
especially when I started to shift my
focus to wanting retainer clients where
I get paid month after month after month
I knew that okay all these clients like
what’s the one thing they’re going to
always need right like they might have a
webinar that converts or a control ad
that converts and/or for their main
products right and maybe they make small
changes but they’re not overhauling that
but the one thing they’re always going
to need month after month probably we
have to read sometimes day after day is
they’re gonna need more emails right
and they’re probably not gonna want to
write them all themselves and sometimes
it’s a matter of they don’t know how to
do it themselves so they need to bring
in you the specialist or sometimes it’s
they need an ass in the seat because
they don’t have the bandwidth to do it
themselves and they need someone to fill
that role
so yeah just like you’re saying I always
found that was my way to get the foot my
foot in the door and that’s kind of like
one of my first retainer clients that’s
how I started I started just doing email
stuff I started like rewriting affiliate
emails for our list and it was kind of
like you know the grunt work but then
there was another copy right in front of
me there’s one company and he ended up
leaving to pursue some other some other
things in life and they were like oh we
need to find something to write all the
front-end front-end acquisition stuff
and I was like hey I can do it I know
this company I know the market you know
I know the products me and then I
started to write to be a script the
sales pages working the webinars and I
started working the Facebook ads and all
the other stuff so yeah it’s the perfect
gateway because people that’s a need
that they will always have and he knows
never gonna go away I don’t care what
anyone says it’s just not even if they
put computer chips and our brains I
don’t think it’s right there’s some
place where that’s private that’s your
own stuff that you sign up for you know
it is the perfect gateway you know most
people most business owners because they
have their what they do best they’re
they’re usually especially if they’re
serious they’re usually good at like
delegating to something that somebody
else does best and they want like the
best you know they want to form a team
of like best at certain things and they
don’t want to waste their time doing
what they’re not the best at let’s talk
more about retainer deals and stuff
because now I’m certainly like that now
and it sounds like you are maybe let’s
talk a bit about how you go about doing
that the way you sort of present it and
so forth yeah absolutely so real quick
the way I define a retainer is you know
just a job where you get the point to
say yes one time and they keep paying
you over and over again and I’ve really
started to shift my business toward that
model not for every client you know
was obvious I’m always evolving and
Everett operators in the bobbum but when
I was trying to leave my teaching job I
realized that I needed recurring income
because you know I had a mortgage I had
a life
I couldn’t just be like hey I’m just
gonna take this big risk and hopefully I
get some gigs you know it’s like no I
needed to check at least one check
coming in every single month and you
know it’s just nice to have that
stability so what I started doing was
saying how could I be the person who
fulfills that role on the team and how
could I be the person who doesn’t have
to how do I be that kind of copywriter
who every time I do a project I don’t
have to spend hours and hours and hours
of research and learning a new market
and learning a new company structure and
learning about the client their origin
story and learning all about the
business right because that’s that’s the
most exhausting part for most writers
like that’s the part a lot of people
like is the research stuff right about
what happens when you’re doing just
one-off gigs over and over and over
again is that you know half of your time
to spend doing all the administrative
onboarding off-boarding stuff it’s been
doing the market research and doing all
those other things with retainer client
you even spend most of your time writing
which is what most of us got into this
game to do anyway right everyone wants
to write they want to get results they
want to test campaigns they want to try
all that cool stuff but it’s very hard
to you know wedge yourself into a
company like that if you’re only gonna
stick around for a week to do a job and
then you’re out so I started really just
focusing on getting those kind of
clients and I found is number one the
people who are ready to hire a retainer
client you usually make more money and
you know some people reach out to me and
they say hey you know I got this client
you know I want to pitch then a retainer
what should I do I say okay let’s look
at the numbers right like how much
revenue is this client making and they
say although client was making you know
three hundred fifty grand a year
I say well they’re not how much they’re
gonna pay you right like what I’m gonna
pay you five grand a month I can pay you
you know one sixth of their Copland
pre-tax pre expense revenue like of
course not all right so the numbers just
don’t work out there so you start to
think okay who are the companies that
have will hire writers on retainer and
what I found it’s not a blanket
statement I’m sure there’s someone we’re
not an example right but I’m just
generally speaking usually they’re gonna
be a seven eight nine figure company
right those the kind of companies who
have the resources they have the
infrastructure and and more importantly
they have
proven offers right to get to that level
right company can’t just be like hey we
got this thing selling well and I hope
it works next month but we don’t you
know like a company by that time they’re
proven they know they’re things selling
right and they know that they’re scaling
up they’re optimizing they’re doing all
my doing
you know CRO they might be split testing
they’ve been doing all the stuff and now
they need someone to fulfill that role
because maybe that was the CEO before
maybe that was the marketing manager and
me now they’re growing the team so those
kind of clients are the best for me I
think that’s a perfect example is going
about going after the right people it’s
like who can afford to pay your retainer
deal I mean that’s a big deal you can’t
find just like Joe Blow local guys that
probably got hakama before that unless
they’re like to say making over seven
eight nine figures and so you got to be
smart about who you target and yeah I’m
with you on the starting from scratch I
mean you’re trying to catch lightning in
a bottle and I’ve done that myself and
people you know some people I think are
delusional when they come to you they
thinking I mean there’s so much that
goes into that it’s not just as simple
as like you’re gonna write the copy
we’re gonna run some Facebook ads and
it’s like tada all this is gonna work
out for everybody you know yeah they’re
like lottery captive clients you know
they’re the ones who come to you and say
they and a lot of time when they’re good
people obviously like I’m not knocking
them but what their worldview or their
beliefs they over that well I understand
the important copy everyone tells me
conquer is important they’ll hear these
stories like I always you know there’s
that story about Jean Schwartz the guy
who found a boardroom a camera one’s
name is but he hired Jean Schwartz and
you know Jean wrote in this letter and
it launched this huge company that you
know it’s still around today and like
it’s a nice romantic story that doesn’t
happen every day right yeah definitely
happens but that’s lighting a bottle and
it’s very hard to do that very very hard
because it’s not just about the sales
lending right it’s not just about the
launch campaign it’s about the ability
for the owners of that company to have a
growth mindset and to have all the
infrastructure and the team and the
finance and all that stuff in place and
so it’s a much bigger equation than just
the copy so that’s why you know I’m just
so big on goat you know fishing in the
stock lake you know my my
family we used to have the Poconos and
there was this lake I remember and every
year we try to catch fish and there were
like there was like no fish in this lake
I eventually found out years later I
don’t get so pissed off for myself the
best of my dad just like listened me
like he’s like next year they’re stock
in the labor in catch some fish we did
right but all those years I was getting
so angry myself because we were going up
there and for hours I’d be standing out
there with my pole trying to catch fish
and there’s no fish in the freaking lake
right so people do that copiers do that
to themselves they get pissed off
because they’re like man I can making
Steel’s work I’m like look who you’re
talking to right like you’re talking to
people with no money and it’s not that
you know it’s nothing wrong I’m sure
they’re great people but if they don’t
have money to pay you then you’re
wasting your time talking with them
unless you’re you have got like
copywriting abilities and can make money
appear and I literally appear out of
thin air then yeah that can be a
profitable relationship but otherwise
you got to go to people who have money
and who want to hire someone who want to
pay someone to fill those roles now as
we wind down here let me give people
ways they can get touch with you work
with you you know what’s the best
situation in touch with Chris or
Zukowski yes so you can check out my
website it’s WWE male copywriter comm
and the reason I chose that is because
or Zukowski it’s kind of a nightmare to
spell and you know my website so I chose
the email copywriter calm yeah
so I’m actually publishing a book on
email marketing should be done that’s a
couple weeks but that’ll be my new lead
magnet so if you have my list I’ll make
sure you get that
yeah but uh-oh than that that’s what I
got awesome man you know I want to
really thank you for coming on the show
and we had a delay getting you on I’m
glad we were able to do it the next day
you’re a real attribute to the
profession I would say and I enjoy
reading your emails and your and your
posts and I want to thank you for coming
on the show thanks Dave I will
appreciate that I had a lot of fun and
we’ll appreciate you having me for
everybody else we’ll be back again next
week hopefully someone is insightful fun
and argumentative maybe that’s or is it
Kowski until then
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Dec 4, 2018 • 29min
Episode #205 – Jeff Kronenberg On How To Set Yourself Free With A Tax-Exempt Retirement
Straight out of college…
Jeff wanted to dive into the lucrative field of pharmaceutical sales.
Then he discovered the only people they were taking back then…
despite committing himself to two summers of internship…
were “very attractive women”.
Reaching out to his network, he pivoted to a career in financial
services and the world of Wall St.
14+ years later, he’s here to deliver some very good news.
You can set aside your worry, stress, and the paralysis of thinking about your retirement.
You can have your cake and eat it too.
Jeff helps people take their assets…
whether a mountain of treasure or a hill built up from years of
back-breaking work…
and shield yourself from future pain by showing you how to get
your retirement…
TAX- EXEMPT.
So if you’re worried what kind of shape your in financially because you’re in your later years…
or you’re young and the importance of setting yourself up right for
the future is beginning to dawning on you…
listen to this podcast now as Jeff has what amounts to a life-saving message.
Wouldn’t you agree your future and your family is more than worth it?
In this episode, you’ll discover:
Why is it all the financial advice is about how to amass a mountain of assets? THIS is every bit as important. (9:34)
What gets Jeff super-jazzed about people finding this retirement solution.
Are you in your 40’s and haven’t checked “under the hood” at your numbers? Listen here (14:29)
40% of people will run out of money during retirement with their current plan…is this you? (What to do about it NOW – 10:57)
The history of taxes and tax rates. How deferring your taxes could kill your retirement and your family’s future (19:01)
Mentioned:
Imagine Wealth Coaching
Jeff Kronenberg on Facebook
Schedule a Breakthrough Session with Jeff
David Allan’s Make Words Pay
Intro and outro backing music: Forever More by CREO
David Allan: Hey everybody – welcome to another edition
of the podcast, I’m David Allan – we’re back and today we’ve got an exciting guest because this is something I don’t think many people like to really think about but it is one of the most important things that you will encounter probably going forward in your life especially if you’re in business and if you’re a copywriter like a lot of our listeners are this is something that involves a little bit of planning perhaps which most people may not want to think about but we have an excellent retirement planner on a show today he’s got kind of a very interesting story and he’s got a very interesting offer that I think you’ll appreciate once you hear him – Jeff Kronenberg welcome to the show…
Jeff Kronenberg: David thank you great to be here.
David Allan: Yeah, it’s nice to have you on the show, man. I think this is one of these things that people are sort of like you know talk about and whispers maybe or don’t like to think about but it’s super important and you’re an expert in this field and you’ve been doing this for like you said the better part of like 14 years or sometimes right mm-hmm so this will be interesting I want you to sort of start though by taking us back like
we like to do on this show we like to go back to see sort of how you progressed into where you’re at today so take us back into the early life of Jeff and sort of what led you to this…
Jeff Kronenberg: Yeah, thanks
so you know I when I got out of college
actually what I wanted to do was be a
pharmaceutical sales rep and that was
kind of the hot job at the time so when
I got out of college I had done this
internship at a pharmaceutical company
and they wouldn’t hire me and I’m like
what are you kidding me of intern for
you for two summers and you know for
free and then I came to realize that
well I was not a pretty girl and
therefore they weren’t gonna hold me
because that was the description of what
they were looking for in that industry
at the time so here I was getting out of
college and I thought oh my gosh you
know I’m gonna do this and it’s a great
job but a great career and all that and
you know I was like disqualified right
away
that’s okay I kind of just fell into the
industry that I’m in I met a guy that
knew a guy and know another guy and I
started my journey in the financial
services industry in New York City
downtown downtown off Wall Street and I
yeah thinking back to one of the first
training classes that I had and I
remember you know the line of expertise
that I have is very out-of-the-box stuff
you know we’re helping people
essentially get their assets tax exempt
so although retirement planning is kind
of a boring subject when you say to
someone you know they say what do you do
and you say well I’ll show you how to
get your wealth tax exempt their ears
perk up because let’s face it it’ll
definitely yeah no one wants to have to
pay more in taxes than then they’re
required to you’ve got to pay the income
tax once but after that it’s really your
choice as to what you want to do with
your money I really just got lucky in
terms of meeting the right people I
think very very early on that were con
ahead and and you know that were headed
and heading in the right direction in
terms of you know the knowledge they had
in the information and the strategies
that they shared with clients so I’ve
been doing this work from the get-go
obviously it’s progressed over time I’m
still learning to this day so it’s kind
of how it all it was just by chance
so that’s fascinating I mean it says
like you said I think it’s kind of an
unsexy topic to talk about retirement
and protecting your assets and stuff
like that but it’s really one of the
most important things I mean he doesn’t
take much of a Google search to find out
plenty of horror stories and stuff of
people who have not fought ahead to to
their retirement or to you know other
people passing away in their family and
coming into assets and so forth that
aren’t necessarily yours to begin with
but that you’ve been left from other
people and so forth totally I think that
you know for the most part if you
picture a mountain as an example well we
learn about all we hear about is how to
get up the mountain how do we invest our
money how do we get rates of return that
are really good and this and Adam we
hear oh you have to take a lot of risk
on in order to grow your wealth but the
reality is is that if you understand how
the how money really works what’s more
important than acquiring a large
treasure chest of assets at the end of
the day if we’re saving for one day when
we’re not gonna work anymore we need to
know how to get off the financial
mountain so to speak in other words
we’re never learning or hearing about
how to spend our money in retirement you
know and so I use the mountain analogy
because I forget the statistic but I
heard about 70 percent of the deaths um
that occur on Mount Everest occur on the
descent right that’s the great that’s
great well yeah you’re right you know so
if if I was a Sherpa you know knowing
that you’ve got a much greater
probability of dying you’d probably hire
me as the Sherpa to get you down the
mountain than the one that gets you up
right yeah absolutely
so what I’m helping people with is not
just the accumulation of their assets in
a much safer fashion without risks and
without taxes but we’re also taking that
to the next level and saying hey we need
to also show you how to spend your money
at retirement and if it’s done the right
way and you can have your assets tax
exempt that therefore then means that
your cash flow coming off the mountain
is also tax exempt so when you study it
you’re gonna have a heck of a lot more
cash flow and if you don’t do it this
way and people love hearing that and
they love seeing it you know it’s it
it’s a game changer really a game
changer and a life changer it’s freedom
that’s totally true I would totally
believe what you’re saying I mean a lot
of people of course in the latter stages
of their lives that may be listening to
this and they’re also worried about you
know what they’re gonna leave behind or
what they’re worried about their family
or their family members and so forth and
so with the services program that you
provide it’s going to
ease those worries so those those latter
years are stress-free which is super
important as you get older yeah I mean I
I have this kind of you know I guess you
would maybe call it a spiritual view on
money or whatever word you want to use
but you know what at the end of the day
money is a fake thing you know human
brilliant human beings we were able to
create this system of currency in this
world here and it’s it’s really really
interesting when you look at it from
that standpoint like money runs our life
some of us yeah yeah I mean it’s kind of
silly when you take a step back because
it’s like where did this all Evan come
from and so my view is like you know
it’s super easy for me to help people
get what they want with their money and
get what they want it retirement but
what really jazzes me is seeing the
smiles on their faces when that fear
about how they’re gonna do it dissipates
when they’re pumping their fists because
you know they realized wow I just
reached freedom I just reached that
pinnacle of financial freedom that gets
me going because what we’re doing is
we’re saving people’s lives and they’re
able to live a happier healthier less
stressed-out life and then we reclaim
control of not just their money but the
way that they’re gonna live and enjoy
those latter part of the years without
having to worry and without having to
have the sense of confusion and without
having to know that you know there’s a
risk right around the corner whether
it’s the tax rates going up and changing
or the stock market taking fifty percent
of their money you know when you don’t
have those concerns you can now live
life on your terms and that’s uh and
it’s a beautiful thing to see it’s a
beautiful thing to know that you’re
impacting you know your your fellow
brothers and sisters in such a way you
know we’re all connected at the end of
the day yeah I think it’s one of those
things that’s so nice to see because
especially people of like my you know
I’m in my 40s now my parents
my deaf father as in his 70s maybe sort
of a lot of those that day and age a lot
of people were like living that sort of
like deferred life plan work a certain
amount and then you’re gonna save up
like you’re saying and you’re acquire
all these treasure chest of assets and
then you’re gonna stop working one day
and you’re gonna try to enjoy this stuff
and people like to you know travel or do
whatever they want to do and it’s a lot
of people have found out that that’s not
the case the way the world has gone and
the economy has shifted here and there
and maybe they’ve been burned a couple
times and now their nest egg or whatever
is not as large as I’d hope it would be
and maybe some of those dreams are no
longer attainable with something like
you offer I mean it’s it makes that
process so much more reassuring and
worryfree totally and I can give you a
really simple example as to kind of the
issue that I think people are facing but
then an alternative because at the end
of the day what you described there is
person a let’s say and person a retires
and they have let’s just say three
million dollars and that million dollars
gives them let’s just call it a hundred
and thirty thousand dollars a year
taxable for life or and that may work
out for them or it may not most of the
time it’s not working out you have three
million dollars you’ve got to get a
return on that money but also make sure
that you don’t run out of money and so
there’s this thing called a withdrawal
rate I don’t want to get too hyper
technical here but the withdrawal rate
of your money so that you have a 60%
chance of not running out of money is
around 3% why on earth would you ever go
for a plan and go and and strategically
move yourself towards a situation where
you have a chance 60% chance of not
running out of money because to me that
means 40% of the time you will it makes
no sense
that’s output so that’s why people can’t
retire is they’re literally just setting
themselves up wrong but they don’t we
don’t know alternatives
because person a with three million and
a buck thirty of income as an example
may or may not be attainable let’s just
say it is I could make somebody or I
could show them how they can make
themselves be person B but person B has
one point five million dollars and a
hundred thousand dollars of cash flow
tax exempt the who would you rather be
at the end of the day knowing at in at
the end when you’re retired it’s all
about maintaining your lifestyle it’s
all about cash flow that’s a person
person be easy choice yeah easy choice
so therefore would dad said that means
that the folks out there who have
acquired a treasured treasure chest have
asks us but maybe it didn’t go as they
had planned if they could just become
person B and get those assets to spend
as if they’ve got two times as much
they’re gonna be okay and that’s what I
help people do it’s powerful super
powerful and of course we you know we
probably all have people in our lives
that have experienced some of those
horror stories and we probably even
listening to this when this comes out
people will be thinking oh if only you
know if only had known this sooner or my
uncle Nick had known about this or
whatever you know and it’s one of those
things that like nobody likes to talk
about because it is kind of scary I
think too there’s like you know
trepidation that comes along with
thinking about being older especially if
you’re younger you know and and often if
you’re quite young then you’re not
thinking about it at all because you
feel like you’re impervious you’re
focusing on your career and your family
perhaps and it just doesn’t seem like
something that’s like that’s super
important because you figure you got the
whole life to figure it out but I mean
the sooner you get started the better
yeah I mean it’s it’s certainly easy to
procrastinate on it and it’s not as fun
as going to a basketball game or a
football game or skiing or sitting at
the beach that’s for sure but admit when
when people I found gets started on it
you know younger and let’s say their 40s
or something like that
stead of their 50s or 60s it
allows them to relax more and then go
enjoy the things that you know they and
they like to do and then subconsciously
in the back of their head they don’t
have this worry like shoot am I actually
gonna be able to like not have to go to
this job I don’t like
or run this business that I don’t really
want to run anymore or am I gonna have
to do this forever and so when they what
I found through experience is that when
people get started younger and they know
they’re headed in the direction that’s
going to work a hundred percent of the
time versus sixty percent of the time
just better quality of life overall
you’ve this subconscious worry is now
gone yeah and then and then the
trepidation and the fear perhaps of like
I think I think that’s one of the things
to which experienced people who were
over 40 to is like you’re also thinking
you know like you almost don’t want to
know what you’re up against so you put
it off because you’re just like I don’t
if I’d actually check the numbers or do
it it’s gonna be a rude awakening oh
yeah yeah totally and and and when they
start digging under the hood it’s
actually worse I’ll give you an example
most people have their money in these
retirement plans right but right thing
is though is that when we do these we we
do them because we want to not pay taxes
on our money today so we’re deferring
paying the tax right but we’re also
deferring the tax calculation right so
we don’t really know what tax rates we
will be in in the future but you know
here’s the question you know do you
think that it’ll cost more or less to
run the government in ten twenty and
thirty years that’s a pretty easy one
I’d say yeah so we know what we know
it’ll cost more therefore how do they
how does the government make money to
function they raise taxes so you could
be putting money into one of these
vehicles and then just setting yourself
up to pay more on your money in the
future in which case you’re doing
reverse tax planning so you know no one
would ever want to do it
good news is is that if you get it it
soon enough and you realize this soon
enough and you address it soon enough
you can reverse it that’s the good news
I just as rebels and for anybody
listening to this I mean to sort of
encounter that is like yeah that’s a
mistake a lot of people have made is
like to defer all that stuff to later
and I have family members going through
that right now where they’re like trying
to get that taxation stuff out of the
way now when they’re in their early 40s
because of because of that because of
that you’re unsure what kind of rage and
it’s funny though if you study taxes you
know if you look at where they’ve been
at between let’s just go back to mid
ronald reagan became president taxes
were between seventy and ninety four
percent but it’s the highest bracket i
mean that’s you know those are big
numbers tears well really even before
they stayed between 73 and 70 or the way
up until around 1980 so then they came
down but you know we’ve got we’ve got
Wars like the Gulf War to still pay for
we got we have all this stuff you know
we we have to pay for it at some point
we’re so high is that you know during
those that period of time from let’s say
say nineteen eighteen or nineteen twenty
whatever however you want to look at it
up until the carter administration then
reagan we used to pay we used to fight a
war that actually pay for it you know
really they allow companies and pay for
it or do we would pay for the things
that we did for the citizens so we
haven’t been doing that for a very long
time
but at some point we’ll have to and then
therefore in order to be an informed
consumer or an informed citizen it’s
just important to understand where
things were because it kind of gives you
an indication of where things could go
right now even though it’s think we’re
taxed at such a high rate historically
speaking we’re really not right good
point Lee so that’s why it’s important
to address it now before it’s too late
I think you’re that’s a very good point
and that’s some interesting historical
facts are bringing to bear there it’s
very interesting to me to how little
people prepare for this kind of stuff I
mean some people do and I try to slander
everybody here today but it’s a subject
that you know prevention is such a slow
thing to sort of take hold in people’s
lives because wherever they’re at in
their life they probably feel good maybe
about especially if they have some money
and they’re like not particularly
they’re worried about it and it’s
usually like you said people get started
like way way late or that they figure
they’ve got it handled but they aren’t
gonna end up paying big on the back end
and when the tax rate perhaps may be
higher you know obviously you’ve
encountered a lot of these people and
horror stories and stuff over your 14
year career in this maybe some of the
listeners would benefit from maybe a few
stories of people who were able to
reverse it and sort of what ages they
were at and so forth and sort of what’s
city of the main names obviously but
some sort of situations that people
think themselves out of because of your
expertise mm-hmm yeah sure so if we take
the person a in person be example I had
this client come in the door about five
years ago and at the time he was 56
years old and he wanted to retire in
eight or nine years was his goal so when
he looked at what he had and he looked
at a projection of where he thought he
could go let’s just say he had $500,000
I’m just making the numbers part of it
up because it’s kind of irrelevant what
he actually had but let’s just say he
had $500,000 and he wanted or he thought
he could get that 500 to become a
million in eight or nine years okay but
the thing was is that when he count
all right I stopped working and I’ve got
a million dollars and I can get let’s
just say four person on my money or five
percent of my money well then I’ve got
to pay taxes on that so my let’s just
say it’s five percent my five percent of
my million my fifty actually gets taxed
huh
and my social security I get is also
taxed so he calculated for himself if he
could even get five percent which is a
whole nother story what he calculated
when he came into my office was I’m a
millionaire but I’m not going to be able
to live even close to the way I want to
live I’m not gonna be able to travel to
see my kids when they have their own
children which they have or what she
thinks they’re gonna do now at the time
he hung bright whose kids were younger
um but he you know
that was a hope every parent wants their
their kids to have kids you know so he
calculated out that he wouldn’t be able
to travel he wouldn’t be able to
maintain a Country Club membership he
wouldn’t be able to do the things that
he wanted to do and so you know it’s sad
to see people come in who they’re
working hard they’re running businesses
whatever they’re doing and they’re
trying to do all the right things but
the system just has them set up to be
set up wrong you know we just basically
switch things around what made him
person B and as a result of that he had
much stronger cash flow
he’s currently is set up to have much
stronger cash flow and will have it
throughout retirement and he’ll be able
to you know he’ll be able to live the
life that he wants to live and that’s
that’s the cool part about it is five
years have passed a lot of time has
passed he’s happier now as a result of
this the worries gone and then when he
does get into retirement he’ll be good
the reality is is that you can get your
money working more than once for you
doing multiple jobs for you and when you
do that you can accomplish both of the
is that all of the things whether it be
paying for your daughter’s wedding
paying for college buying cars buying
real estate retiring all those things
can really be accomplished using the
same buck and we don’t need to segment
it into a B dot this dollar for this I
me need this dollar for that that’s the
wrong way to look at money um so you
know that’s a whole nother conversation
just about efficiency but did that
coming in to your question about yeah
yeah I think that’s a very good answer
and man as you shared with us here today
I’ve just been like outstanding just a
real sort of fresh perspective I think
one that people need to hear and people
need to consider that it’s not as scary
perhaps as they first thought and then
there are people like you out there Jeff
that are can make things quite simple
and straightforward yeah you know it is
simple it’s not easy but it’s simple and
we make it easy and we make it simple
but it certainly also doesn’t have to be
as scary you know people listening like
you don’t have to be scared you just
have to you know work with someone that
does the right things that can validate
and improve it to you that’s also
important so no I’m glad that this
hopefully this shed some light for the
listeners and viewers for sure
absolutely
now if people want to get ahold of you
personally Jeff where’s the best place
to go how do they get in touch or get
involved with you yeah so they can just
go right to my website it’s wwm ajan
wealth coach ENCOM forward slash apply
and I would suggest going and and going
going there watching the video that I’ve
got up it’ll give you some great
information we’ll expand even further on
the things that we talked about today
amen and do that go there now check it
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it’ll be the best 45 minutes you’ve
spent talking and planning your
retirement talking about in planning
your retirement you have ever had and
will ever had frankly awesome awesome
great advice I really want to thank you
for coming on the show today you really
give me food for thought and I know the
people listening this will be perhaps
reconsidering the trepidation and so
forth with getting involved with getting
a head start and for the younger people
to get on it now so that you can take
advantage of that compound interest
curve yeah
thanks for coming on the show man it’s
been a real pleasure listen it’s been my
pleasure was really great speaking with
you and uh you know to all the listeners
out there thank you for tuning in and I
hope everyone has a safe and healthy and
blessed day
thanks awesome and for everybody else of
course hopefully we’ll be back again
with somebody next week who’s as
knowledgeable and thoughtful and
informative as our friend Jeff here
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