

Breaking Form: a Poetry and Culture Podcast
Aaron Smith and James Allen Hall
James Allen Hall and Aaron Smith talk about their favorite poems and poets, interview amazing writers, laugh a lot, gossip, and get real about life and art.
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Jul 31, 2023 • 28min
A Little Bit Alexis
The ladies get a little bit Alexis in this episode that mixes poetry quotes with Alexis Rose quotes from Schitt's Creek.Support Breaking Form!Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Buy our books:Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. Publisher's Weekly calls the book "visceral, tender, and compassionate."James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. Writing in Lit Hub, Rebecca Morgan Frank says the poems have "a gift for telling stories . . . in acts of queer survival." Please consider buying your books from Bluestockings Cooperative, a feminist and queer indie bookselling coop.Read reviews of The Wendys on Allison Benis White's website here. Preorder Modern Poetry by Diane Seuss (out in March 2024) here. Watch this 2011 reading by Mark Bibbins here (~8 min).Too Bright to See is Linda Gregg's first book. Aaron references her fourth book, Chosen by the Lion.If you'd like to read the back story about "Leather and Lace," the song Aaron and I reference in the episode, it's worth your time here. For more about the Devil Wears Prada prank meme, click here. A public celebration of Minnie Bruce’s life will take place in the near future. Details will be posted on her social media and on her website: https://minniebrucepratt.netDonations in memory of Minnie-Bruce may be made to the Friends of Dorothy House in Syracuse, NY. If you would like to donate, go here.Read James Wright's poem "A Note Left in Jimmy Leonard’s Shack."

Jul 24, 2023 • 30min
Keeping It 100
The queens swear to tell the hole truth, and nothing butt the truth to commemorate the 100th episode of Breaking Form.Support Breaking Form!Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Buy our books:Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. Read Carl Phillips's "As from a Quiver of Arrows." Or see Summit Chakraborty read it here (~3 min).If you want to know more about Bruce Weigl, check out the Breaking Form Episode "The Impossible." You can also read "Song of Napalm" here or watch Weigl read it here (~3 min).Ellen Bryant Voigt's newest book is Collected Poems (WW Norton).The poet Ed Smith took his own life in 2005 at age 48; before that, he published two books, “Fantasyland” and “Tim’s Bunnies” (1988). David Trinidad edited the book “Punk Rock Is Cool for the End of the World: Poems and Notebooks of Ed Smith." Trinidad wrote a remembrance of Smith here. And David Ulin wrote a retrospective of Ed Smith's work for the LA Times.Watch this World AIDS Day commemoration that celebrates the works of Walta Borawski and Robert Ferro (recorded December 1, 2022)You can learn more about the incredible poet Christopher Gilbert here. We particularly recommend you stop your day and read his poem "How the Stars Understand Us"Read Thomas James's bio and peruse some of his poems here. I've always really loved this essay on James's work by Lucie Brock-Broido and can't recommend it enough to you.You can read Aaron's poem "After All These Years You Know They Were Wrong about the Sadness of Men Who Love Men" as well as a little essay about the poem here on the Poetry Society of America's website. Also, go read Aaron's poem "Sissy" that James mentions loving. You can read James's poem "A Fact Which Occurred in America" here (though imagine it in tercets) and view the George Dawe painting referenced in the poem here. Explore Jill Alexander Essbaum's fabulous work here. Watch the fight scene in Mommie Dearest here if you don't get the "I am not one of your fans" reference. It's 3.5 minutes of high (but violent) camp.

Jul 17, 2023 • 29min
In Real Time (with Terrance Hayes / pt. 2)
Terrance Hayes talks about fatherhood, witnessing, and getting a D in high school English.Support Breaking Form!Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Buy our books:Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. Publisher's Weekly calls the book "visceral, tender, and compassionate."James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. Writing in Lit Hub, Rebecca Morgan Frank says the poems have "a gift for telling stories . . . in acts of queer survival." Please consider buying your books from Bluestockings Cooperative, a feminist and queer indie bookselling coop. You can buy Terrance's books from them:So to Speak: Poems Watch Your Language: Visual and Literary Reflections on a Century of American PoetryTwentieth- Century American Poetry is the 2004 guide and reference book published by Christopher MacGowan, a leading scholar on William Carlos Williams.Read "Looking for Jonathan" by Jon Anderson, the title poem from his 1968 volume, and read more about the poet here. Norman Dubie died in February. He was an Aries (April 10, 1945) . Read his poem "An Annual of the Dark Physics." You can watch him read his poem "The Sparrow" here. (~3.5 min)Read Steve Orlen's poem "In the House of the Voice of Maria Callas." Russell Westbank III plays basketball for the LA Clippers. The “Clippers” were named in 1978, when the franchise moved from Buffalo to San Diego, to represent the sailing ships in the bay; a “clipper” is a merchant sailing ship. The team kept the name when they moved to L.A. in 1984.Psuedacris Crucifer is the scientific name of a small chorus frog, also known as the spring peeper. Terrance's poem of the same name appears here in The New Yorker.Read Wanda Coleman's "American Sonnet 91" and buy her book of sonnets, Heart First into this Ruin: The Complete American Sonnets, with intro by Mahogany L. Browne.

Jul 10, 2023 • 31min
Tools vs. Weapons (with Terrance Hayes / pt. 1)
The queens get between the covers with Terrance Hayes ahead of the release of new works of poetry and prose on July 18.Support Breaking Form!Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Buy our books:Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. Publisher's Weekly calls the book "visceral, tender, and compassionate."James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. Writing in Lit Hub, Rebecca Morgan Frank says the poems have "a gift for telling stories . . . in acts of queer survival." Pre-Order Terrance Hayes's new books, out on July 18.So to Speak: Poems Watch Your Language: Visual and Literary Reflections on a Century of American PoetryTerrance Hayes's essay on Gwendolyn Brooks in Watch Your Language is called "My Gwendolyn Brooks" and you can read it online here. Find Brooks's poem "the mother" online here. It was first published in A Street in Bronzeville in 1945 when Brooks was 28 years old.In a 2014 interview for the Best American Poetry blog, Terrance reiterates that Michael S. Harper said that the words "nice," "cute," and "amazing" do not belong in poems. The whole interview with Hayes is here. James's poem "A Fact Which Occurred in America" referenced in the show is based on the George Dawe 1810 painting, A Negro Over-Powering a Buffalo - A Fact Which Occurred in America in 1809, which you can view online here. You can read his poem here (though imagine it's in tercets).Toi Dericotte is the author of 6 collections of poetry, including I: New and Selected Poems (U of Pittsburgh, 2019), which was a finalist for the National Book Award. Read more about her at her website: http://toiderricotte.com/index.php/about/Yusef Komunyakaa is the author of more than 15 books of poems, most recently The Emperor of Water Clocks (FSG, 2015). You can read some of his poems here.

Jul 3, 2023 • 31min
Hereditary
The queens bust out their microscopes and examine poetic DNA. Support Breaking Form!Review the show on Apple Podcasts here. Buy our books:Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. Publisher's Weekly calls the book "visceral, tender, and compassionate."James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. "Romantic Comedy," writes Diane Seuss in her judge's citation, "is a masterpiece of queer self-creation."Some of the writers discussed include:Terrance Hayes (who'll join us for the Breaking Form interview next week!), author of So to Speak, which will be out July 18 and is available for pre-order.Listen to Etheridge Knight read "Hard Rock Returns To Prison From The Hospital For The Criminal Insane" & "The Idea Of Ancestry" here (~6 min). Galway Kinnell reads his poem "After Making Love We Hear Footsteps" here (~2 min).Read more about Herbert Morris here, and read his fabulous poem "Thinking of Darwin" here.Read Thomas James's title poem "Letters to a Stranger." Then read this beautiful reconsideration of the poet by Lucie Brock-Broido, who used to photocopy James's poems and give them to her classes at Columbia, before Graywolf republished Letters to a Stranger in 2008.Watch Gary Jackson read Lynda Hull's poem "Magical Thinking" (~3 minutes).Stanley Kunitz reads his poem "The Portrait" here (~2 minutes).If you haven't read Anne Carson's "The Gender of Sound," it is worthwhile & contains a crazy-ass story about Hemingway deciding to dissolve his friendship with Gertrude Stein.Read Lynn Emmanuel's "Inside Gertrude Stein" here.Read Anna Akhmatova's "Lot's Wife" here. Read Osip Mandelstam's "I was washing at night out in the yard" here. Watch Lyrae Van Clief-Stefanon read her poem "Solace" and then discuss how her poem draws inspiration from science. Jennifer Michael Hecht's poem "Funny Strange" from her book Funny can be read from here. Manuel Muñoz is the author of the short story collectionThe Consequences (Graywolf, 2022). He reads Gary Soto's poem "The Morning They Shot Tony Lopez, Barber and Pusher Who Went Too Far 1958" from Soto's 1977 volume The Elements of San Joaquin. You can read a tiny essay Muñoz published about Soto in West Branch, in a folio edited by poet Shara Lessley.

Jun 26, 2023 • 30min
Shimmering Terror (with Guest Randall Mann)
The queens are joined by Randall Mann to discuss discomfort, cage-dancing, and how to deal. Support Breaking Form, if the spirit so moves you:Review Breaking Form on Apple Podcasts here. Buy our books:Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.Randall Mann is the author most recently of DEAL: New & Selected Poems (Copper Canyon, 2023). Read a review of the book published here in On the Seawall. And buy the book from Loyalty Bookstores, a Black-owned indie bookseller, here. Randy mentions his poem "In the Beginning" which has an epigraph from Laura Jensen. You can read that poem, and a few others, online here. Laura Jensen is the author of 3 books. Carnegie Mellon republished her second book, Memory, in 2006. You can read her poem "Heavy Snowfall in a Year Gone Past" here. And check out this reconsideration of Memory in The Rumpus here.Check out this essay on Gwendolyn Brooks's formalism and her literary reputation by A. Van Jordan on the Best American Poetry blog here.Read Elizabeth Bishop's villanelle "One Art" here, or watch John Murillo read the poem here.North of Boston is Robert Frost's second book of poems. It contains 17 poems, including "Mending Wall" and "The Death of the Hired Man.You can read the Marianne Moore poem "What Are Years" along with an essay by Annie Finch here. Or you can watch the poem read by Robert Pinsky.

Jun 19, 2023 • 25min
Crimes Against Diction
The queens talk diction, the political history of language, and naked octogenarians.Support Breaking Form, if the spirit so moves you:Review Breaking Form on Apple Podcasts here. Buy our books:Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.Words that we identify as "forbidden" (in case you want to try to write poem/s with them!): verboten; beautiful; the body; dick; cicada; bougainvillea; filament; "Z was all X"; Dear Reader"; dead deer; soul; panties.You can hear Plath read her poem “Lady Lazarus” here.You can read James's poem "Portrait of My Mother as Rosemary Woodhouse" here.Read CP Cavafy’s poem “Ithaka” (translated by Edmund Keeley) here.Aaron references an article he's read about why the word "panties" is objectionably sexist. And while it may not be this one from The Atlantic, it's still an awesome read. The author, Sarah Fentem, writes: "I've heard several people refer to the word as "infantilizing." The addition of the suffix "-ies" (or in the singular form, "-y") converts the word into a diminutive. Literally: "little pants." .... In fact, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, the first known use of "panties" is from a 1908 set of instructions for making doll clothes." Read the rest of the article here.

Jun 12, 2023 • 28min
Banned Books
The ladies express what they've got whether you're ready or not in this episode about banned poetry.Support Breaking Form, if the spirit so moves you:Review Breaking Form on Apple Podcasts here. Buy our books:Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.Read more of the Judy Blume NPR interview on banning books.To read more about Amanda Gorman’s poem being banned, click here. If you’d like to read more about Daily Salinas, the person who formally complained about Gorman’s poem, who is reported to have links to Proud Boys, go here.Here and here are the receipts regarding Jericho Brown's rescinded invitation to visit to the Community School of Naples in February 2022.Matthew Zapruder’s suicide poem was published as the April 18, 2023 Poem-a-Day.For more about banned poets, visit the website we use from the Academy of American Poets.On the Golden Girls, Blanche's sister, Charmaine, writes a book called Vixen: Story of a Woman. Check out Blanche’s reaction to it here. We also mention the existence of a few Golden Girls episodes centering on Blanche’s relationship with her gay brother, Clay. Check out a clip of one of those here.You can see 4 incredible, short interviews with Reinaldo Arenas (~19 mins) here.

Jun 5, 2023 • 27min
Summer Fun
The queens get beachy, play f*ck marry kill with a Pulitzer winner, and fabricate some fab poets' drag names.Support Breaking Form, the spirit so moves you:Review Breaking Form on Apple Podcasts here. Buy our books:Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.Watch Carl Phillips read from Then the War: and Selected Poems, 2007-2020, winner of the 2023 Pulitzer Prize for poetry, here (~1 hour).Poets we mention in this extravaganza include:Denise Duhamel, Queen for a DayFrank O'Hara, Lunch PoemsDavid Trinidad, Peyton Place: A Haiku Soap Opera ; Swinging on a StarFranny Choi, Soft Sciencesam sax, MadnessDanez Smith, HomieYou can read a short excerpt of Nin Andrews's The Book of Orgasms at her website here. Jennifer L. Knox, Crushing ItCamille Guthrie, Diamonds Michael Dumanis, My Soviet Union Louise GluckYou can watch Jorie Graham's book launch for her newest collection, To 2040, online here (~1 hour).Rita Dove's latest book is Playlist for the Apocalypse. Amy ClampittEmily DickinsonEdgar Allen PoeRobert Lowelle.e. cummingsHenry Wadsworth LongfellowGertrude SteinJohn Donne's reputation as a major poet is now cemented, but it wasn't always so. Donne fell out of fashion for much of the 18th and 19th centuries. Read more about that in Adam Kirsch's review of Katherine Rundell's biography of Donne in the New Yorker, here. Ezra PoundSara Teasdale, whom you can read more about here. Hart CraneRobert FrostWalt WhitmanLucille CliftonThomas HardyJohn KeatsMarilyn Chin's sixth book of poetry, Sage, was released by Norton in May 2023.Mark DotyPatrick Phillips, whose most recent book is Song of the Closing Doors (Knopf, 2022),. Visit Phillips's website.

May 29, 2023 • 30min
The Impossible
The queens try to say it clearly and make it beautiful, no matter what, in this episode revisiting Bruce Weigl's poem "The Impossible." TW for sexual assault and pedophilia.If you need resources, for yourself or a loved one, regarding sexual assault and pedophilia/incest, please visit https://www.rainn.org.Support Breaking Form, the spirit so moves you:Review Breaking Form on Apple Podcasts here. Buy our books:Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books. Born January 27, 1949 (which makes him an Aquarius), Bruce Weigl enlisted in the Army soon after turning 18 and served in Vietnam from 1967 to 1968. He was awarded the Bronze Star. After he came back from the war, he attended Oberlin College, where Franz Wright was his classmate and encouraged Weigl to send his poems to James Wright. JW wrote back, and a line from that letter serves as the epigraph to Weigl's third book, Song of Napalm. The line is: "Out of the horror there rises a musical ache that is beautiful." Song of Napalm was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. He earned an MA from the University of New Hampshire and a PhD at the University of Utah. He is the author of more than a dozen books of poetry and a memoir, The Circle of Hanh. His book The Abundance of Nothing was a finalist for the 2013 Pulitzer Prize in Poetry. His most recent book is Among Elms, in Ambush, from Boa in 2021. Read more about him here.Read Weigl's poem "The Impossible" here. "The Impossible" is included in Bruce Weigl's fourth book of poems, What Saves Us, published in 1992 from Northwestern University Press. We forget to fact check this, but the poem is comprised of 26 lines.Hear Weigl read "The Impossible" in this hourlong reading, starting at the 35:25 mark. The reading was delivered and recorded at the Friends of Scranton Public Library in October 2013.We reference an interview with the journal Blast Furnace, the entirety of which you can read here. Another interview with Memorious can be found here.Watch Weigl read "Song of Napalm" at the College of Southern Maryland in 1981 here (~3.5 min). He discusses beauty and horror before reading the poem.You can hear a more recent reading by Weigl at Eastern Connecticut State U on 10/3/18 here (~1 hour).


