

Great Power Podcast
American Foreign Policy Council
Interested in defending America’s interests in an age of great power competition? Join host American Foreign Policy Council Fellow in Indo-Pacific Studies Michael Sobolik as he explores insights from foreign policy experts, journalists, and policymakers to help craft a solid foundation for America’s grand strategy.
Episodes
Mentioned books

May 21, 2024 • 44min
Biden and The Internationalists
In this episode of GREAT POWER PODCAST, host Michael Sobolik chats with Alex Ward about his book The Internationalists, President Biden's foreign policy, and the impact of the 2024 presidential election on global affairs.
Guest biography
Alexander Ward is a national security reporter who covers the White House’s role in forming and executing U.S. foreign policy, and the power players shaping national security policy in Washington. He was the first anchor of POLITICO’s “National Security Daily” newsletter.
Ward has won numerous awards for his reporting and was part of a POLITICO team that was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. Previously, Ward was Vox’s White House and national security reporter.
He is the author of the book, “The Internationalists: The Fight to Restore American Foreign Policy after Trump.” Ward is also a term member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Resources from the conversation
Buy Michael's book, Countering China's Great Game
Buy Alex's book, The Internationalists
Read Alex's reporting at Politico
Follow Alex on X/Twitter

May 2, 2024 • 52min
Countering China's Great Game
In this episode of GREAT POWER PODCAST, Michael Sobolik turns over the hosting chair to Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) for a discussion about Michael's new book, Countering China's Great Game.
Note: the episode was originally published on Rep. Crenshaw's podcast, We Hold These Truths. This episode is excerpted from that broader conversation.
Guest biography
Originally from the Houston area, Rep. Dan Crenshaw is a proud 6th generation Texan. In 2006, Rep. Crenshaw graduated from Tufts University, where he earned his Naval officer commission through Navy ROTC. Following graduation, he immediately reported to SEAL training in Coronado, CA, where he met his future wife, Tara. After graduating SEAL training, Rep. Crenshaw deployed to Fallujah, Iraq to join SEAL Team Three, his first of five deployments overseas. In November 2018, Rep. Crenshaw was elected to represent the people of Texas’s Second Congressional District. In Congress, he serves on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which has the broadest jurisdiction of any legislative committee in Congress.
Resources from the conversation
Buy Michael's new book, Countering China's Great Game: A Strategy for American Dominance
Check out Rep. Crenshaw's podcast, We Hold These Truths
Follow Rep. Crenshaw on X/Twitter

Mar 20, 2024 • 36min
Winning the Cold War with Beijing
In this episode of GREAT POWER PODCAST, host Michael Sobolik speaks with Rep. Mike Gallagher (WI-3), Chairman of the House of Representatives Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Sobolik and Chairman Gallagher discuss the current TikTok legislation, the committee's focus on biosecurity, and the broader contours of U.S.-China strategic competition.
Guest biography
Congressman Mike Gallagher has represented Wisconsin’s 8th District in the U.S. House of Representatives since 2017. He was born and raised in Green Bay, where he now lives with his wife Anne and daughters, Grace and Rose.
Rep. Gallagher served for seven years on active duty in the United States Marine Corps, including two deployments to Iraq. He also served as the lead Republican staffer for the Middle East and Counterterrorism on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and worked in the private sector at an energy and supply chain management company in Green Bay.
Rep. Gallagher earned a bachelor’s degree from Princeton University, a master’s degree in Security Studies from Georgetown University, a second in Strategic Intelligence from National Intelligence University, and a PhD in International Relations from Georgetown.
Resources from the conversation
Pre-order Michael's forthcoming book Countering China's Great Game: A Strategy for American Dominance (Naval Institute Press: April 2024)
Read H.R.7521, Chairman Gallagher's bipartisan TikTok bill
Read Michael's latest op-ed, "Defang TikTok Before It's Too Late" (The Dispatch)
Read H.R.7085, Chairman Gallagher's bipartisan biosecurity bill

Mar 16, 2024 • 31min
The Road Ahead for TikTok
In this episode of GREAT POWER POCAST, Michael Sobolik cedes the host chair to his colleague Ilan Berman. The episode is a re-airing of Ilan's conversation with Michael on DISINFORMATION WARS, another AFPC product.
In the conversation, Ilan and Michael unpack H.R.7521, the TikTok bill making its way through Congress. Michael unpacks the legislation, maps out the policy and political terrain in the House and Senate, and previews what to expect over the next few weeks.
Resources from the conversation:
Pre-order Michael's book, Countering China's Great Game: A Strategy for American Dominance
Subscribe to Ilan's podcast, DISINFORMATION WARS
Read H.R.7521, the "Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act"
Follow Michael on X/Twitter, where he has closely tracked the TikTok debate
Follow Ilan on X/Twitter, where he regularly shares analysis about information warfare and Middle East politics

Mar 2, 2024 • 54min
How Congress Could Lose the Pacific to China
In this episode of GREAT POWER PODCAST, host Michael Sobolik speaks with Cleo Paskal about America's Compact agreements with Palau, the Marshall Islands, and the Federated States of Micronesia. These small Pacific island nations were critical battle sites in World War II, and today they form the backbone of America's military presence in East Asia. Political gridlock in Washington, however, could nix the deals that have secured these unique relationships for decades. Paskal explains this history, Beijing's efforts to spread its malign influence in the region, and the state of legislation on Capitol Hill.
Guest biography
Cleo Paskal is a non-resident senior fellow at FDD focusing on the Indo-Pacific region, in particular, the Pacific Islands and India. She has testified before the U.S. Congress, regularly lectures and moderates for seminars for the U.S. military, and has taught at defense colleges in the United States, United Kingdom, India, Canada, and Oman.
Resources from the conversation
Pre-order Michael's book about U.S.-China great power competition
Follow Cleo on X (formerly Twitter)
Read Josh Rogin's column about the Compact agreements

Feb 14, 2024 • 54min
What If America Can't Deter China?
Iskander Rehman, a Senior Fellow for Strategic Studies at AFPC, delves into the intricate dynamics of U.S.-China relations. He examines the historical context of protracted warfare and its implications for current military strategies. The conversation emphasizes the critical need for America to adapt its defense strategies to counter a rising China, particularly regarding Taiwan and the South China Sea. Rehman also discusses the dangers of domestic polarization on national security and the importance of unity in facing great power challenges.

Jan 26, 2024 • 1h 8min
Beijing Targets State Capitals
In this episode of GREAT POWER PODCAST, host Michael Sobolik speaks with Jimmy Quinn about Chinese Communist Party (CCP) efforts to influence U.S. politics at the state and local level. Sobolik and Quinn assess Beijing's success, examine the pervasiveness of CCP malign influence in U.S. states and cities, and review Washington's responses.
Guest biography
Jimmy Quinn is the national security correspondent for National Review and a Novak Fellow at The Fund for American Studies.
Resources from the conversation
Pre-order Michael's forthcoming book about U.S.-China competition
Read Jimmy's extensive reporting about Beijing's state-level influence campaign in America (and other issues)
Read Michael's recent TikTok op-ed

Dec 29, 2023 • 51min
A Year-In Review of America's China Policy
In this episode of GREAT POWER PODCAST, host Michael Sobolik flies solo and reflects on the highs and (mostly) lows of America's China policy throughout 2023. He addresses three topics: the spy balloon, Taiwan, and TikTok. The main takeaway: despite the pervasive rhetoric that America's policy toward Beijing has fundamentally shifted toward a more competitive stance, Washington continues to pull its punches and leave significant leverage on the table.
RESOURCES FROM THE CONVERSATION
Pre-order Michael's forthcoming book, Countering China's Great Game: A Strategy for American Dominance
Read reporting from Bloomberg on Beijing's spy balloon
Read reporting from NBC News about the Biden administration's response to the spy balloon
Read the referenced articles about Taiwan policy (NYT, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Affairs)
Read Michael's thread on Twitter/X about the probability of banning TikTok

Sep 13, 2023 • 1h 6min
The American Colossus
In this episode of GREAT POWER PODCAST, host Michael Sobolik interviews Sean Mirski about America's path to regional supremacy, how to understand China as a rising power, and the future of global stability.
Guest biography.
Sean A. Mirski is a lawyer, historian, and U.S. foreign policy scholar who has worked on national security issues across multiple U.S. presidential administrations.A term member of the Council on Foreign Relations, he currently practices national security, foreign relations, and appellate law at Arnold & Porter Kaye Scholer LLP, and is also a Visiting Scholar at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. He previously served in the U.S. Department of Defense under both Republican and Democratic administrations as Special Counsel to the General Counsel, where he earned the Office of the Secretary of Defense’s Award for Outstanding Achievement. He has written extensively on American history, international relations, law, and politics, including as author of We May Dominate the World: Ambition, Anxiety, and the Rise of the American Colossus (PublicAffairs 2023), and as editor of the book Crux of Asia: China, India, and the Emerging Global Order (CEIP 2013). Earlier in his career, he clerked for Justice Samuel A. Alito, Jr. on the U.S. Supreme Court and then-Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, and served as a fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Named one of Forbes magazine’s “30 Under 30,” he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School and holds a master’s degree in international relations from the University of Chicago.
Resources from the conversation
Read Sean's new book, We May Dominate The World: Ambition, Anxiety, and the Rise of the American Colossus
Read Sean's op-ed in The Washington Post about the Monroe Doctrine
Read the transcript of the U.S.-China 2021 summit in Anchorage, AK

Aug 28, 2023 • 1h 4min
China and Export Controls
In this episode of GREAT POWER PODCAST, host Michael Sobolik chats with Nazak Nikakhtar about export controls and their role in U.S.-China competition. Nazak addresses specific U.S. export controls on Huawei, and also shares a creative idea to address the challenges TikTok poses to policymakers in Washington.
Guest biography
The Honorable Nazak Nikakhtar is a partner at Wiley. From 2018 to 2021, with unanimous confirmation by the U.S. Senate, Nazak served as the Department of Commerce’s Assistant Secretary for Industry & Analysis at the International Trade Administration (ITA). Nazak also fulfilled the duties of the Under Secretary for Industry and Security at Commerce’s Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS). In these roles, Nazak was the agency’s primary liaison with U.S. industry and trade associations, and she shaped major initiatives to strengthen U.S. industry competitiveness, promote innovation, and accelerate economic and job growth. As one of the key national security experts in the U.S. government, she developed and implemented innovative laws, regulations, and policies to safeguard strategically important technologies, strengthen the U.S. industrial base, and protect the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States. As the Department’s lead on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS), she played a key role in shaping U.S. investment policy. As the head of the agency’s trade policy office, she advised the U.S. government on legal and economic issues impacting critical technologies, advanced manufacturing, financial services, e-commerce, data privacy, cybersecurity, critical minerals/rare earths, and energy competition. Finally, as the federal agency’s lead on supply chain assessments, Nazak spearheaded the United States’ first-ever whole-of-government initiative to evaluate and strengthen supply chains across all strategic sectors of the economy.
Resources from the conversation
Check out Michael's book announcement
Get to know Nazak better (full bio)
Read about Secretary Raimondo's trip to China (and Michael's commentary)
Read Nazak's interview with The Wire China


