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A daily news show from the publisher of The Monthly and The Saturday Paper. Hear from the country’s best reporters, covering the news as it affects Australia. This is news with narrative, every weekday.
Latest episodes

Feb 22, 2025 • 24min
Read This: Alex Miller Finally Lets His Friend Die
Alex Miller, a two-time Miles Franklin Award-winning author at 88, discusses his latest novel, The Deal. He delves into themes of grief and memory shaped by the loss of his friend Alan O'Hoy. The conversation highlights the intricate connections between storytelling and personal relationships, especially regarding societal issues like racism in Australia. Miller reflects on how age and personal experiences deepen artistic expression, emphasizing the healing power of narrative after loss.

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Feb 21, 2025 • 16min
Saturday special: Albanese's election plans
Paul Bongiorno, a columnist at The Saturday Paper, dives into the political pressure surrounding Prime Minister Anthony Albanese's election timing. He discusses how Labor backbenchers are keen on calling an election after recent interest rate cuts. Bongiorno examines Peter Dutton's struggles for relevance as he navigates government successes without solid policy responses. The conversation also touches on urgent political moves, like the impact of the Wayala steelworks on job preservation, and the government's communication tactics in a challenging economic landscape.

Feb 20, 2025 • 14min
Sabotage, surveillance and state-sponsored killings: ASIO's warning
Jason Koutsoukis, a special correspondent for The Saturday Paper, sheds light on ASIO's alarming threat assessment revealing Australia's most challenging security landscape in half a century. He discusses the rise of foreign interference, with governments attempting to influence Australian politics and elections. Koutsoukis also covers the prevalence of self-radicalization among youth, driven by extremist ideologies and social media. Moreover, he delves into the implications of espionage in the context of AUKUS, highlighting the nation's urgent need for robust defense strategies.

Feb 19, 2025 • 16min
RFK Jr’s anti-vaccine obsession
In this insightful discussion, investigative journalist Brian Deer, known for his in-depth work on vaccine misinformation, delves into Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s controversial role in the anti-vaccine movement. Deer highlights Kennedy's conflicting statements about vaccination, arguing he is one of the most prominent anti-vaccine advocates globally. They also discuss the heartbreaking consequences of a deadly measles outbreak in Samoa, linking it to declining vaccination rates fueled by misinformation. The emotional toll and community struggles are poignantly illustrated through personal stories.

Feb 18, 2025 • 14min
Can the government claim a win from the RBA cut?
Emily Barrett, the managing editor of The Saturday Paper, dives into the Reserve Bank's recent interest rate cut, the first since 2020. She discusses the limited relief this offers mortgage holders and the modest savings compared to past hikes. Emily explores how this decision impacts the government's narrative ahead of upcoming elections, as well as the broader economic context of inflation and employment. She challenges traditional views on the relationship between these factors and critiques the Reserve Bank's strategies amidst changing public perceptions.

Feb 17, 2025 • 15min
Inside the ‘hostile takeover’ of Meals on Wheels
Rick Morton, a senior reporter at The Saturday Paper known for his investigative prowess, unravels the shocking saga behind a failed takeover of Meals on Wheels. He dives into the dubious alliances and motivations that drove a privatization attempt, raising critical questions about the misuse of taxpayer funds. The conversation also emphasizes the vital role Meals on Wheels plays in providing not just meals, but essential companionship to the elderly. Listeners are treated to a gripping narrative filled with betrayal and the real impact on community care.

Feb 16, 2025 • 14min
How Bob Brown stays optimistic
Bob Brown, a lifelong activist and former leader of the Australian Greens, shares his journey as a voice for justice since the early days of the Iraq War. He reflects on the importance of speaking out against authoritarianism and the environmental crisis, emphasizing resilience in activism. Brown critiques the influence of corporate interests on democracy and urges support for diverse political representation. Most importantly, he champions the power of optimism in tackling global challenges and the need for non-violent confrontation against oppression.

Feb 15, 2025 • 30min
Read This: The Real Rachel Khong
Rachel Khong, acclaimed author of Goodbye, Vitamin and Real Americans, dives into her latest novel, exploring the intricate dynamics of identity and belonging across generations of Chinese Americans. She discusses the blend of magical realism with pressing societal themes, reflecting on the immigrant journey through luck and ambition. Khong also examines the relationship between narrative and reality, highlighting how storytelling challenges conventional perceptions of time and personal transformation, ultimately advocating for the value of 'wasted time' in the creative process.

Feb 13, 2025 • 15min
Why SAS troops used wrong rules of engagement
Ben McKelvey, a journalist and contributor to The Saturday Paper, dives deep into the controversies surrounding Australian Special Forces in Afghanistan. He reveals how SAS troops misapplied foreign rules of engagement, leading to tragic incidents, including the deaths of civilians. The conversation highlights the systemic failures within military oversight and the need for accountability. McKelvey also touches on the significant implications for the reputations and morale of the troops, calling for a Royal Commission to address these serious issues.

Feb 12, 2025 • 15min
Lidia Thorpe: ‘We need to scrap Closing the Gap’
Independent Senator Lidia Thorpe, a fierce advocate for Indigenous rights, challenges the effectiveness of the Closing the Gap strategy, calling it a distraction. She highlights alarming trends, like rising child removals and high suicide rates among Indigenous peoples, questioning the government's commitment to real change. Thorpe argues for stronger federal responsibilities in youth justice and the introduction of a Human Rights Act. She emphasizes the need for genuine community engagement and self-determination, pushing for legislation that respects Indigenous rights.
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