
Design the Future
Women are living, learning, and leading towards a sustainable future. Their stories can help us all accelerate toward that vision in the built environment. Design the Future is a podcast created to elevate and explore the voices of women driving sustainable practices in the built environment and related fields. Lindsay Baker, a sustainability and social impact leader, and Kira Gould, a writer and communications strategist, host these conversations.
Latest episodes

Jun 22, 2023 • 43min
Mary Ann Piette on feedback between building design and operations
Mary Ann Piette is the Interim Associate Lab Director of the Energy Technologies Area at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. She manages a research enterprise comprised of 700 staff and affiliates, including 120 principal investigators working across a broad set of technology R&D programs to accelerate decarbonization ranging from demand-side energy efficiency and grid integration to hydrogen technologies, energy storage, and renewable energy systems. We had a terrific time talking to Mary Ann about her mechanical engineering background and how she thinks about buildings, energy, comfort, and grids. She’s focused on four pillars of decarbonization: energy efficiency, electrification, grid integration, and distributed energy resources.She wrote a chapter for a new book, Women in Renewable Energy (by Katherine T. Wang and Jill S. Tietjen (Springer, 2023) about using building loads dynamically for low-carbon energy systems. “When we change our electricity system to be based on wind and solar, we need to integrate with demand side systems,” she says. “Grid-scale storage is important, but flexible demand can be much more cost effective.” And she points out that this is part of a significant gap in current built environment conditions. “If we are are going to accelerate progress, we need to understand and utilize the feedback between design and operations.”

Jun 8, 2023 • 57min
Sarah Ichioka on regenerative models, integration, and reality-based thinking for the future
Sarah Ichioka is an urbanist, strategist, curator, and writer currently based in Singapore. She leads Desire Lines, a strategic consultancy. Her latest book, Flourish: Design Paradigms for Our Planetary Emergency, co-authored with Michael Pawlyn, proposes a bold set of regenerative design principles for addressing environmental and social challenges. We talked to her about the book and related podcast, her wide-ranging career, and her abiding interest in cities, which was first piqued in her eighth grade year through the Future City competition. She and Pawlyn started working on the book when they perceived tension between evolution in the built environment community and growing awareness that such progress was not nearly sufficient for the necessary transformation. They sought to tangibly and meaningfully integrate perspectives from outside the built environment, such as Kate Raworth on (doughnut) economics. “We wanted to craft clear examples of the mindset shifts -- we identify five as new or rediscovered -- to move away from degenerative thinking,” Sarah says. ”We wanted to be direct about the need for a cultural shift, not just technological- or innovation-based change.” She says the book is the beginning of the conversation, which now includes collecting stories of regenerative practice. “The scale of the challenge can feel overwhelming. We need relationships where we can be ourselves and be honest … and then channel them constructively.”

May 25, 2023 • 46min
Renée Cheng on agency and equity in the built environment
Renée Cheng is an architect and dean of the College of Built Environments at the University of Washington. She pioneered research surrounding the intersection of design and emerging technologies and is a leader in the American Institute of Architects around equity in the profession and practice. She led the research effort for AIA guides for equitable practice. She sees students as partners, and notes that the practice environment they face is radically different from the one their teachers experienced. “We need to be teaching more about collaborating across disciplines,” she says. “And we need to help our students think about agency and knowing their roles. Many architects don’t feel well trained for the ‘conductor’ roles that we need to address complex issues. For a project today, a design team might need to talk to an oceanographer and a native community that is relocating.”Of her work on the AIA practice guides, Renée says that she now understands why some things are slow to change and that she has more respect for the role of culture and the importance of alignment and trust. And of evolving practice within conventional economics, she says: “We are a values-based movement and we are also a capitalism-based industry. But there are different ways to think about ROI -- in terms of prosperity or wellness or life expectancy or collective benefit.”

May 4, 2023 • 47min
Fiona Cousins on technical knowledge and cross-disciplinary collaboration
Fiona Cousins, a mechanical engineer by training, is the Americas Chair for Arup, guiding a 1,900-person engineering, design, consulting, and planning firm with a focus on collaborating and innovating to shape a better world. Fiona and her teams take a broad view as they pursue value for clients, considering climate change, social equity, and biodiversity. As a longtime leader in the field, Fiona has a keen perspective on the arc of progress. She says that the market transformation that has occurred in the past 30 years means that it feels a bit less like a movement now. “The floor has been raised, through codes and other policy and market work,” she says. “Buildings have to work harder now. But at the leading edge, it still feels like a movement. And now we are asking harder questions, such as: What does it mean for a building to have a biodiversity net gain?” As for what’s next, Fiona is inspired by growing dialogue around water, both as a human rights issue and a technical issue. “I think this topic is far more visceral to people than questions of energy or carbon ever can be,” she says. “And I think it could be the topic that really connects us to the subject of planetary boundaries in a meaningful, actionable way.”

Apr 20, 2023 • 47min
Marnese Jackson on the power of ordinary people and energy equity in the Midwest
Marnese Jackson is an environmental and climate justice activist, advocate, trainer, and educator in Pontiac, Michigan. This mother of two is the co-director of the Midwest Building Decarbonization Coalition, which focuses on inspiring and educating Midwesterners to end new installations of fossil fuel equipment in residential and commercial buildings by 2030, and to achieve zero emissions from these buildings by 2050, with integration of equity and labor justice. Marnese started her her career doing energy audits in homes, learned about poor air quality in certain areas, and became a regional organizer with the NAACP’s environmental justice program. She worked with Mothers Out Front, a moms' group focused on working toward a livable climate, and then transitioned back to the buildings realm at the Coalition. “I am part of a movement,” she says, “but I am also just an ordinary person. I can relate to anyone," which she says is important in her role."I am a connector,” she adds. “Being a missionary is not the thing. We are trying to empower self confidence.” Marnese is especially proud of the Coalition’s Equity Summits; last year’s was focused on Self Determination.

Apr 6, 2023 • 44min
Stephanie Greene on buildings electrification and the climate challenge
Stephanie Greene has just stepped down from a role as managing director at RMI, where she led the Buildings Program. She also helped launch RMI's building electrification initiative, which is focused on enabling a cost-effective, sustainable, and equitable path to building decarbonization, with work spanning the U.S., China, and India. We talked to her about this work, her previous work at PG&E, building teams, and about how crucial systems thinking is to working on climate issues and the built environment. “I feel like buildings are the center of all the other topics I have worked on,” she says. “It’s exciting to work on buildings because they interact with everything -- utilities, energy, site, transit. And there is a whole human health component, too.” Stephanie says she feels like she is part of a building decarbonization movement “Like many of us, I think, I alternate between frustration and despair and hope and optimism. But that is to be expected -- this is a tough industry. The movement context means that what any one person or team does can have a ripple effect -- and we are seeing more and more of that.”

Mar 2, 2023 • 41min
Davida Herzl on data, health, and informed climate action
Davida Herzl is co-founder and CEO of Aclima, where she leads a team pioneering a new way to diagnose the health of our air and track pollution. A Public Benefit Corporation, Aclima measures air pollution and greenhouse gasses with block-by-block resolution. The company's enterprise software, Aclima Pro, translates billions of scientific measurements into analytics for companies, governments, and communities to reduce emissions and improve public health. Aclima has been driven by two questions: Where is pollution coming from and who is it impacting? Today the company operates the largest mobile sensor network on Earth, creating datasets of hyperlocal greenhouse gas levels and air pollution never before available. David is proud of the work that the Aclima team is doing. “Climate change is the most pressing issue of our time,” she says. “And there are so many intersecting problems -- environmental justice, infrastructure, and more. Our data is a critical part of the solution because transparency ensures accountability and also enables actors across society to take informed climate action.”

Feb 16, 2023 • 47min
Rochelle Routman on transparency and bringing passion to work
Rochelle Routman is Chief Sustainability and Impact Officer of HMTX Industries, a resilient flooring manufacturer. She has been passionate about the environment since a young age, and brought that into her work through corporate sustainability.She saw an opportunity to bring greater transparency into flooring products, helping to advance industry-wide disruption. Today, she is working on ESG; HMTX will release its first Impact report soon. The company’s new headquarters in Connecticut, designed by McLennan Design, is expected to earn Living Building petal certification later this year. “I definitely feel like I am part of a movement,” Rochelle says. “I see sustainability as an activist career. Thinking about the arc of progress, I had hoped we’d be farther ahead on responding to climate change by now. But I am inspired by progress on many fronts, such as the growing understanding of biophilia.” Rochelle was recognized with a Women in Sustainability Leadership Award in 2014 and is now President and chair of the board of that network.

Jan 26, 2023 • 48min
Sandy Mendler on research and collaborating across networks
Sandy Mendler is an architect, planner, and researcher focused on creating new models for healthy, sustainable living. She is a design industry thought leader and dynamic project leader; at Gensler, she is a principal, studio director, and regional practice leader for education. She previously worked at Mithun (where she was part of a Bay Area Resilient by Design team in the Rockefeller Brothers Fund competition) and HOK (where she led the influential EPA HQ project and co-authored the HOK Guidebook to Sustainable Design). Throughout her career, Sandy has been asking big questions about complex topics and developing solutions that demonstrate the value of sustainable, equitable design, which she calls “prototypes for the positive future.” She is dedicated to research and deep collaborations. “We are systems thinkers,” she says. “We work as teams to create solutions that do many things at once -- and have positive, ongoing impact. Part of this is that we can -- and must -- co-create with communities. We have to catalyze investment in under invested areas because it’s the right thing to do but also because it’s part of the equation around emissions and healthy places.”

Jan 12, 2023 • 39min
Lakisha Woods on architects in a changing industry and world
Lakisha Ann Woods is the executive vice president and CEO of the American Institute of Architects, a network of 94,000 architects and design professionals (in 200 chapters) who are committed to enhancing the built environment. Woods previously served as president/CEO of the National Institute of Building Sciences and as senior VP/CMO at the National Association of Home Builders. Architects are naturals at addressing complex or multifaceted issues, Lakisha says, and she points out that today that means addressing climate and equity as interconnected issues. She also talked about the AIA’s renovation of its HQ in Washington, a reuse project that involves numerous teams and high aspirations around embodied carbon, materials, and healthy workspaces. Lakisha is inspired by architects and their passion -- and the profession's increasing agency around climate and equity. Some of that comes from advocacy, she points out: “If we want our initiatives to move forward, we have to be an active voice in codes and on the Hill.”