Any Insights Yet? with Chris Kocek

Dave Harland LOVES words. Big ones. Little ones. Silly ones. Serious ones.He has a talent for taking the world’s most boring categories and breathing new life into them with a few flourishes of his pen and some rat-tat-tat-clickety-clacks at his keyboard.During our conversation, we dig into all kinds of things, including the micro dignities of daily life that are threatened by automation and generative AI, as well as the unmistakable human quirks that make insight building and copywriting an act of creative joy.  We also connect the dots between The Knowledge of London (the rigorous exam that London Cabbies must pass to show they know their way around the city without a map) and the cultural tension between British formality and British humor (e.g. taking the piss).Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:The scrappy, homemade billboard that taught Dave his first big lesson in strategic copywritingDave’s issues with AI shatbots and the limits of AI in copywriting How a lackluster acronym led to one of Dave’s favorite brand taglinesThe real-world insights that led to surprisingly punchy (and funny) B2B headlines for a speakerphone brandAn American phrase that has inexplicably made its way into British business discussions Show Notes:Below are links to inspiring ideas that came up during our conversation.Dave’s Online Copywriting CourseWrite the FunnyBooks:Copywriting Is…:30-or-so thoughts on thinking like a copywriter by Andrew BoultonVideos:Bob Mortimor Top Moments | Would I Lie to You?Monty Python: Ministry of Silly WalksLife of Brian: Colosseum Scene

Zoe Scaman knows how to rebuild brands and fandoms from the ground up.Her work with brands like Nike, Netflix, and the NBA has allowed her to dig deep into consumer behavior and organizational structures, resulting in numerous aha moments around community building and how to encourage a culture of co-creation with brand superfans.Zoe builds a number of beautiful constellations during our conversation as she connects the dots between furries, sports fans, and political communities. We also talk about Lego’s incredibly expanding brand universe and how brands can leverage the flywheel effect to create exponential growth.Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:The provocative question Zoe asked in middle school when she was asked to re-read Lord of the Flies The ways Zoe uses AI to help her gut check her own workHow brands can learn from furries to create a sense of belonging The biggest (often invisible) enemy of progress in any organizationZoe’s favorite word and why she thinks more people need to use it more oftenShow Notes:Below are links to books, shows, and other inspiring ideas that came up during our conversation.Musings of a Wandering Mind: Zoe Scaman’s SubstackHidden Potential: The Science of Achieving Greater Things by Adam GrantLord of the Flies by William GoldingThe Color Purple by Alice WalkerHis Dark Materials by Phillip PullmanMarilyn Monroe ObituaryShows & MoviesMob Land TV Series TrailerBrands & CampaignsThe Lego Botanical CollectionAdult Fans of Lego (AFOL) - RedditLego Fan Engagement and Programs

Joe Burns, an award-winning strategist from Quality Meats Creative, brings a wealth of experience with brands like KFC and Heineken. He delves into how a line from Bart Simpson inspired a major campaign, revealing the importance of simplicity in storytelling. Joe advocates for embracing both good and bad ideas in the creative process and shares his unorthodox strategies for business pitches. He reflects on his time as a garbage collector, linking it to lessons in respect and conflict resolution, enriched by wisdom from Sun Tzu.

For over two decades, Tracy Lovatt has helped brands build transformative insights by challenging assumptions and embracing the chaos of tectonic cultural shifts. After starting her career at BBDO, where she guided brands like HBO, GE, Bank of America, Hyatt Hotels, PepsiCo and many others, Tracy eventually stepped away from advertising to start Batten & Co, where she now helps brands connect the dots between insights, operations, and the customer experience.In this episode, Tracy talks about the power of sarcasm to disarm people and she shares her candid approach to uncovering insights that matter.Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:The surprisingly different ways men and women talk about engagement ringsThe power of deprivation studies to get consumers to open up emotionally What she’s learned from the Medicis when it comes to inspiration and new ideasThe surprising impact a British accent can have in American boardroomsA memory she had of our first encounter (that made me blush)Show Notes:Below are links to books, shows, and other inspiring ideas that came up during our conversation.Books:This is what it sounds like: What the music you love says about you (by Susan Rogers)Musicophilia: Tales of Music and the Brain (by Oliver Sachs)Shows & MoviesI’m Still Here TrailerThe Last of the Sea Women Trailer (Apple TV)Brands & CampaignsGE - Ideas are ScaryFfern (Fragrance brand)Ground Up (Nut butter brand)

Great research isn’t just about collecting answers. It’s about knowing which questions to ask and how to observe with all your senses to get to the truth of a situation.Bob Morais, business anthropologist, ethnographer, and lecturer at Columbia University’s Business School, knows how to read between the lines of what people say and what they actually do, and in this conversation, Bob shares his techniques for consistently finding those aha moments that can help a brand soar. Over the years, Bob has set up some fascinating research methodologies for a wide variety of emerging and established brands, including Sensodyne, Freshpet, WD-40, and Simply Orange, just to name a few. And in every case, Bob has helped those brands uncover what their customers really need, not just what they say they want.Together, we dig into the key differences between a flat-footed finding and an actual insight, and we talk about the importance of “presentation theater.” Bob also shares his perspective on AI as a research assistant, and why he believes the human element in ethnography is still irreplaceable.Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:Bob’s aha moment that led to a multimillion-dollar product innovation for WD-40An unexpected, eye-opening experience during a research project at the Plaza Hotel that helped crystallize the idea of luxury The power of research techniques like laddering and guided retrospectionHow to sell ethnography projects to clients who want everything “buttoned up”The unexpected ways that playing lead guitar in different rock bands prepared Bob for life in strategy and researchShow Notes:Below are links to inspiring ideas that came up during our conversation.Campaigns & Brand Videos:Fresh Pet: It’s not dog food. It’s food food.WD-40 Smart Straw

In a world obsessed with big data, robust dashboards, and faster answers, what if the real insight about insights has to do with slowing down and making real connections?That’s how Tim Wilson and Valerie Kroll approach each project, working with organizations to help them rethink their approach to data analytics and consumer insights. Over the years, their facts & feelings approach has made a huge impact on a wide variety of brands, including Yoplait, Time Warner, Adobe, P&G, Purell, Marriott, Lysol, and more. Instead of more data, they suggest using less data, informed by better questions and smarter conversations. And even though they have a data-driven approach, they never discount the power of observation or instinct to help uncover those aha moments.With a unique blend of quantitative expertise and qualitative intuition, Tim and Val approach  data less like a crystal ball and more as a conversation starter. Because when you stop chasing “perfect data” and start looking at the bigger picture, you’ll often find fresh angles and new opportunities for growth.Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:The power of doing a pre-mortem when kicking off a project The surprising focus group conversation that led to a breakthrough innovation for YoplaitHow a failed “chunky bracelet” for Lysol inspired a successful Purell product ideaThe two “magic” questions they like to ask clients to help set everyone up for success The jobs they had before facts & feelings that have helped them become more detail-oriented, compassionate storytellersShow Notes:Below are links to books, shows, and other inspiring ideas that came up during our conversation.Books:Thinking in Bets: Making Smarter Decisions When You Don’t Have All the Facts by Annie Duke In Your Purse: Archaeology of the American Handbag by Kelley StyringJames by Percival EverettP is for Pterodactyl: The Worst Alphabet Book Ever by Raj Haldar Frog and Toad Storybook FavoritesShows:Severance TrailerThe Bear Trailer

Greg Hahn has built his career on reframing questions and seeing things just a little bit differently. Actually, that’s an understatement.Before launching Mischief, Greg spent almost 20 years at some of the biggest and most celebrated agencies in the business, including Fallon and BBDO, where he led creative for brands like Timberland, Citibank, HBO, eBay, FedEx, and more. Along the way, he helped create some of the most awarded campaigns in modern advertising—work that not only racked up Cannes Lions and One Show pencils, but also embedded itself into culture in a way that made those brands unignorable.When Greg was unexpectedly let go from BBDO New York in 2020 due to budget cuts, it didn’t take long for him to start Mischief @ No Fixed Address. In two months, he created a new shop “where people - both employees and clients - could come and do the best work of their lives, with less layers, pretense and other unnecessary complications.”Since then, Greg and his team have helped businesses across multiple categories.When Tinder came to Mischief hoping to shed its reputation as a hookup app, Greg and his team challenged them with a provocative reframing. When Pizza Hut wanted to appeal to job-seeking Gen Zers, Mischief turned the pizza box into a résumé delivery system. And when Goldfish crackers wanted to appeal to adults, Greg and his team landed on a simple, but effective fix.Ask Greg a question about Capri Sun and you might end up talking about Banksy, Andy Warhol, or Duchamp. Or you might discover his passion for crime shows, data, and the interesting differences between Saxon words and Romance words.That said, no matter where you start with Greg, you’ll always find your way back to a clear-eyed understanding of a brand’s core business problem and a clever, creative path that’s going to get you where you need to go.Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:The way Mischief does briefings differently compared to other agenciesHow an OkCupid data point about voting turned into a viral campaign (and even led to a clue on the show Jeopardy!)The role of social listening when it comes to their creative process for Tubi and other brandsWhat Greg’s job selling aluminum siding taught him about himselfSome advice that Greg received from David Lubars during his time at BBDOShow Notes:Below are links to campaigns and other inspiring ideas that came up during our conversation.BooksEverybody Lies: Big Data, New Data, and What the Internet Can Tell Us About Who We Really AreThe Daily Stoic: 366 Meditations on Wisdom Perseverance and The Art of Living 

What do forensic science and marketing have in common? More than you might think. Both require an ability to analyze evidence, challenge assumptions, and uncover hidden truths that are often hiding in plain sight.Alina Burroughs, a forensic expert and star of the hit show Crime Scene Confidential, has spent years piecing together clues to solve cases, and as it turns out, many of those same techniques can also be applied to marketing. In this episode, Alina reveals how marketers and CSIs are both after the same thing - understanding motivations and finding the right guy (or gal). She also points out how forensic tools like “presumptive tests” can be used to help marketers make smarter decisions before going all in on an idea.Throughout our conversation, Alina shares real-world crime scene stories that demonstrate the power of looking beyond the obvious and why it’s critical to challenge our own beliefs if we want to get to those breakthrough moments.Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:How crime scene investigators fight cognitive bias and why marketers should do the sameThe surprising role that gut instinct plays in forensic work and brand strategyWhat a “skin glove” is (warning: it’s both fascinating and unsettling)The importance of marketing from the outside in instead of inside outWhy saying the “stupid” thing out loud can sometimes lead to the smartest insightsShow Notes:Below are links to inspiring ideas that came up during our conversation.ShowsCrime Scene Confidential TrailerBrandsLiquid Death - Andy Pearson on Any Insights Yet?Last Crumb BakeryBooksNever Split the Difference by Chris Voss

Despite the billions of dollars spent on advertising every year, most ads go completely unnoticed. In fact, 85% of them don’t even hit the minimum threshold for attention. So how do you make it into the 15% that actually break through?John Gibson, Head of Strategy at The Martin Agency, has spent his career answering that question, helping brands fight invisibility by uncovering complex emotional truths.For Papa John’s, that meant moving beyond “better ingredients” to tap into something far more powerful—people’s deep, almost cult-like devotion to pizza. For OREO, it meant elevating a product ritual in something more emotive and universal. And for Mountain Dew? It meant going deep into the world of sleep to see if creativity could be sparked in the subconscious mind.Throughout our conversation, John shares stories about the strategic decisions that led to these aha moments, and how The Martin Agency’s culture of curiosity consistently fuels big ideas.  Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:The unexpected pizza rituals that inspired a fresh approach for Papa John’sThe story behind OREO Grams and the Lady Gaga partnershipHow the challenger brand Unisom was able to “punch above their weight” in a crowded, competitive market One of John’s favorite words and how it influences his approach to building great workThe advice John received early on in his career about creative briefsShow Notes:Below are links to campaigns that came up during our conversation.Campaigns:Oreo WonderfilledOreo Wonderfulled Chinese New Year CampaignOreogram with Lady GagaOreo + Coca-Cola Besties CampaignPapa John’s Better Get You SomeUnisom Eagles Saquon Barkley Trolls Giants Owner John MaraHeinz: Draw Ketchup Campaign

The best work in advertising doesn’t just stand out—it challenges the status quo. And that’s exactly what Gordy Sang and Brian Siedband do with every client and every campaign at Quality Meats. Whether they’re working on a GoDaddy spot for the Big Game or a provocative box of chocolates for U by Kotex, Gordy and Brian (and their distributed team of strategists and creatives) always bring an unexpected twist to their creations, sparking conversations, and getting people to say, “I can’t believe they did that!”Their “going cowboy” approach is one of the many reasons they’ve been racking up awards, including Adweek’s 2024 Small Agency of the Year award and A-List Standout and AdAge’s Small Agency of the Year, and in this conversation, you get a peek inside their process. While they’re both quick to say they don’t have a ton of business acumen, they’re clearly doing something right, because a lot of businesses are lining up to do business with them, including Regal Cinemas, Doordash, Saxx Underwear, and Cava, just to name a few.Some of my favorite aha moments from our conversation include:Their approach to breaking rules and telling stories with a twist.How being bluntly honest with German Doner Kebab led to a different campaign approach in the US.The Huggies diaper innovation that led to a simple, yet catchy song (and several innovative campaign extensions).Their attention-getting Valentine’s work for U by Kotex to help normalize periodsWhy they believe the big idea isn’t dead.Show Notes:Below are links to campaigns and other inspiring ideas that came up during our conversation.CampaignsGerman Doner KebabHuggies Baby Butts SongMarquee Sports Network Just “Gets” Cubs FansU by Kotex Period Sex ChocolatesPhasy Chocolates & Functional FoodsChicagwa campaignMovies & ShowsSeverance TrailerSwiss Army Man TrailerFace Off TrailerBest of Ali GAny Insights Yet: Dan Cohen at Saatchi New York (Season 1, Episode 7) BooksAlphabutt Baby BookButts on Things by Brian Cook