
The Building 4th Podcast
Welcome to the Building 4th Podcast where we explore the Perennial Philosophy from various lenses including the psychological, theological, spiritual, conventional, and esoteric. Our points of emphasis include the Hebrew and Christian scriptures (including the non-canonical Christian texts), the Law of One material, the Enneagram, Process thought (ie Whitehead’s Philosophy of Organism) integral theory, and developmental psychology.
Latest episodes

Oct 23, 2024 • 1h 11min
My Spiritual “Pops,” Richard Rohr
In this deeply introspective episode, the host shares a transformative journey alongside the esteemed spiritual teacher, Richard Rohr. The episode explores the profound impact that Rohr's teachings have had on the host's life, shaping his spiritual path and professional work as a therapist.
The episode begins with a recount of how Doug first encountered Rohr's work during a time of personal crisis, leading to a lifelong journey of spiritual discovery and understanding. The host reflects on the depth of Rohr's teachings, particularly the concepts of unity, love, light, and joy, and how these have been pivotal in his own spiritual evolution.
The host shares a personal narrative of meeting Richard Rohr and the mentorship that followed, which has inspired the development of the SH!PS approach—a therapeutic method emphasizing solidarity, hope, interview, process, and service. This approach aims to foster deeper connections and catalyze personal transformation, drawing from the foundational principles found in Rohr's work.
Listeners are also introduced to the host's unique cosmic vocation, exploring the intersection of spirituality and the paranormal, including topics like UFOs and near-death experiences. The host candidly shares his belief in the potential for a broader cosmic reality, encouraging listeners to embrace a more expansive understanding of existence.
This episode offers an intimate glimpse into the host's journey, inviting listeners to explore their own spiritual paths and to find courage in pursuing their unique callings. Through the lens of Richard Rohr's teachings, the episode seeks to inspire a deeper exploration of faith, unity, and the interconnectedness of all things.

Sep 19, 2024 • 52min
Demystifying the Pyramid: Adept Work and Becoming Portable Pyramids Serving Others
In this captivating episode, we delve into the enigmatic world of pyramids through the lens of the Law of One material, focusing particularly on the teachings of Ra. Our discussion centers around the intricate design and profound purpose of the pyramids, especially the Pyramid of Giza, as tools for healing and initiation.
The episode kicks off with a guided visualization that places listeners inside a pyramid, setting the stage for an exploration of the chakra system in relation to pyramid energy. We examine how these ancient structures were used to channel and distribute light and energy, aiding in both physical and spiritual healing. The conversation touches upon the different chambers within the pyramid, their esoteric functions, and how they align with the human energy system.
Listeners will gain insights into the role of the Queen's Chamber for initiation and mental healing, the King's Chamber for physical healing, and the resonating chamber for advanced adept work. We also discuss the concept of humans as portable pyramids, capable of harnessing and distributing healing energy in their everyday lives.
The episode is rich with interpretations and personal reflections on how modern spiritual practices and psychological techniques can align with these ancient teachings. Whether you're a seasoned spiritual seeker or new to the esoteric world, this episode offers a compelling blend of ancient wisdom and contemporary insights.
Join us as we uncover the layers of mystery surrounding the pyramids and explore how we can embody their healing power in our own lives.

Sep 8, 2024 • 1h 42min
Synchronicities: Stories and Meaning
The Building 4th community shares stories of amazing synchronicities. Ways to understanding understand the meaning of synchronicities from the Ra Material and sound psychological footing are discussed.

Aug 27, 2024 • 1h 16min
Practicing Metamodern Spirituality with Doug Scott: The SH!PS Approach
In this episode, we are joined by Doug Scott, LCSW, MA, an experienced therapist and counselor based in Dallas, Texas, who has a deep interest in the intersection of psychology and spirituality; and Brendan Graham Dempsey, a writer, poet, farmer, and the director of Sky Meadow Institute, an organization dedicated to promoting systems-based thinking about the things that matter most. (see below for more information on Brendan).
Doug shares insights from his private practice and his master's degree in pastoral ministry, focusing particularly on how metamodern spirituality can facilitate positive change in the world.
Doug introduces the SH!PS Approach, a conceptual and practical framework designed to help individuals navigate their spiritual and psychological journeys. The acronym SH!PS stands for Solidarity, Hope, Interview, Process, and Service, with each component playing a crucial role in fostering meaningful transformation and connection.
The discussion explores Doug's fascinating background, including his early years in Saudi Arabia, time in Nicaragua with the Capuchin Franciscans, and his education at Boston College. He also delves into the importance of relational connection, self-awareness, and the transformative power of loving service.
Tune in to learn more about Doug's innovative tools and how they can be applied to enhance personal growth, build solidarity, and cultivate hope. Whether you're interested in psychology, spirituality, or the intersections of the two, this episode offers valuable insights and practical advice for anyone looking to deepen their understanding and practice of metamodern spirituality.
For more information, you can visit Doug's websites at www.dougscottcounseling.com and www.cosmicchrist.net
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Brendan Graham Dempsey is a writer, poet, farmer, and the director of Sky Meadow Institute, an organization dedicated to promoting systems-based thinking about the things that matter most.
He holds a BA in religious studies from the University of Vermont and a master's in religion and art from Yale University. He is the author of the 7-volume Metamodern Spirituality Series and, most recently, Metamodernism: Or, The Cultural Logic of Cultural Logics.
His primary interests include theorizing developments in culture after postmodernism, productively bridging the divide between science and spirituality, and developing sustainable systems for life to flourish. All of these lead through the paradigms of emergence and complexity, which inform all of his work.

Aug 8, 2024 • 59min
Ra Material’s "Heart of Evolution of Spirit": Unity, Love, Light, and Joy
Doug leads a discussion in the Building 4th group about one of the most pivotal points in the Ra Material. Doug explores the following quote from an accessible perspective that is simultaneously conventional and cosmic.
52.11 Questioner: [...] from the point of view of an individual who wishes to follow the service-to-others path from our present position in third density, is there anything of importance other than disciplines of personality, knowledge of self, and strengthening of will?
Ra: I am Ra. This is technique. This is not the heart. Let us examine the heart of evolution.
Let us remember that we are all one. This is the great learning/teaching. In this unity lies love. This is a great learn/teaching. In this unity lies light. This is the fundamental teaching of all planes of existence in materialization. Unity, love, light, and joy; this is the heart of evolution of the spirit.
The second-ranking lessons are learn/taught in meditation and in service. At some point the mind/body/spirit complex is so smoothly activated and balanced by these central thoughts or distortions that the techniques you have mentioned become quite significant. However, the universe, its mystery unbroken, is one. Always begin and end in the Creator, not in technique.

Aug 4, 2024 • 25min
Beatitudes and Mental Health
Doug Scott, LCSW, was invited by a Methodist pastor to give a sermon during the Sunday liturgy. Doug chose the Beatitudes and focused upon interpreting this beautiful but rarely unpacked Biblical story from the domain of mental health and becoming agents of wholeness in the world.

Aug 2, 2024 • 1h 7min
[Part 3] Made In the Image, Growing In the Likeness
Mental Health counselors, Doug and Marie complete their three-part series on a deep dive into the Trinity. This episode explores how healers are intentional participants of the divine desire to experience through creative expression.

Jul 27, 2024 • 1h 8min
[Part 2] Made in the Image, Growing in the Likeness
Doug and Marie continue exploring how the Trinity unfolds in the human experience. This is part 2 of the series:
Made in the Image of God and Growing in the Likeness of God
Part 2: The Trinity and the Human Experience
A.Law of Three and the Veil of Forgetting
B.Skin of Human Suffering
C.The hidden seeds in the ground below the Contrast
The Seeds of Hope and the Flower of Joy
The Seeds of Anxiety and the Weed of Terror
D.Joy: gestalt of manifested wholeness

Jul 24, 2024 • 1h 12min
Exploring Meta-Modern Christianity: Bridging Tradition and Contemporary Spirituality
Doug and Matt begin by discussing Brendan Graham Dempsey's work on metamodern spirituality, and particularly metamodern Christianity. Matt highlights the differences between how Eastern and Western spiritual traditions have been adopted and critiqued within this framework, noting that Western Buddhism has been largely stripped of its cultural and cosmological context due to the nature of the modern colonial encounter out of which it arose. He contrasts this with Christianity, which he thinks is more challenging to separate from its cosmological and ritual elements. Matt praises Brendan's efforts to challenge Biblical literalism and explore a version of Christianity that aligns with contemporary scientific understanding. However, Matt expresses feeling somewhat constrained by Brendan's approach, suggesting there are other ways to interpret, for example, the Christ event, that respect scientific perspectives without being reductionistic or literalistic. Doug agrees on the importance of balancing esoteric and exoteric elements in spirituality, using an analogy of understanding a Lamborghini by both driving it and examining its engine. He appreciates Brendan's honest grappling with these spiritual issues but notes the need for incorporating rituals to ground spiritual practice. They both stress the significance of ritual in religious practice, not as mere metaphors but as enactments that transform consciousness. Matt argues that rituals help bridge the gap between our limited, individual perspectives and a more expansive, collective and even cosmic understanding. Doug adds that rituals lay the groundwork for collective human experience and help us connect with the deeper truths of existence. Doug also brings up the challenge of modern political discourse, emphasizing the need for empathy and understanding in political conversations. Matt agrees, suggesting that political engagement should be centered in the heart, aiming for persuasion rather than force. They both acknowledge the difficulty of navigating political polarization in an increasingly “post-liberal” era, but stress the importance of seeing the humanity in others and striving for a more compassionate and inclusive dialogue.

Jul 18, 2024 • 1h 17min
[Part 1] Made in the Image, Growing in the Likeness
This is the first of a three-part series entitled: Made in the Image, Growing in the Likeness. This first part's title is: Being is Becoming: Why the Trinity is the Template of All Reality.
Marie Woods:
Host of the "Everything You Need to Know in a Relationship" podcast and president/ founder of Life Above Foundation. In this enlightening episode, Marie and Doug discuss how the Trinity is the pattern for everything.
Doug Scott’s Bio
Doug Scott, LCSW, works as a mental health counselor in his private practice in Dallas, Texas. After graduating from college in 1997, he served as an international volunteer for two years in Bluefields, Nicaragua. This intense experience changed his life and he returned to the US to pursue graduate studies in clinical social work and pastoral ministry at Boston College. The nexus of spirituality and psychology have always intrigued Doug since childhood and he brings this sensibility to his counseling practice.
Doug Scott, LCSW, MA, grew up Catholic and was always drawn to the mystical lineage within this belief system. He had experiences with Jesus, Mary, and angels at an early age. His mystical inclinations have led him to seek the depth of things and teachers who inspire him, including: Richard Rohr, Cynthia Bourgeault, Ilia Delio, Teilhard de Chardin, Alfred North Whitehead, Jim Finley, and the lives of the Saints such as St. Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Teresa of Avila, and Teresa of Lisieux.
Doug sees the Trinity in everything and everywhere. He sees how the living pattern of the Trinity provides the power for evolution in biology, psychology, and spirituality. For him, the Trinity is the codeword or abbreviated name of God. What is the long version? Something like this: The Who-ing, the Why-ing, and the How-ing of Eternal Becoming.
Finally, Doug felt called to develop an approach—a type of pedagogy—that attempts to identify the steps in transformation and how a counselor, spiritual director, or caregiver in any position can help someone else initiate and process through the path of wholeness-making. This is the SH!PS Approach.
Presentation Outline:
A. Law of Three
B. Aware-Consciousness Principle
C. Creative Principle
D. Pan-Experientialism
E. To Hold, To Heal, To Bless: Pan-Sacramentalism
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