Muscle Intelligence

Many of us believe our genes doom us to the disorders that run in our families but today’s guest, Dr. Ben Lynch argues that with the right plan in place, you can eliminate symptoms, optimize your physical and mental health—and ultimately rewrite your genetic destiny. Dr. Lynch is the author of Dirty Genes, and in it, he discusses eight genes whose correct functioning our health depends on and how to optimize their functioning. Dr. Lynch starts by talking about how he got interested in the field of epigenetics before giving listeners an idea of what this field of research entails. He talks about the concept of translational epigenetics next, according to which our decisions and experiences affect our children and even grandchildren. We spend a great deal of time on the topic of dopamine too, and Dr. Lynch sketches out how people either have less or more of it overall thanks to the functioning of their COMT gene. People with higher or lower dopamine respond completely differently to stressors, and dopamine can become addictive, but the good news is that it can be managed to help accommodate an abundance or scarcity. From there, we talk about the body’s microbiome and its effects on health as well as ways to test it and regulate it, before Dr. Lynch shares about the importance of methylation for the body’s healthy functioning. Dr. Lynch then runs listeners through the eight genes he discusses in his book, talking about the effects they have on our bodies of not functioning correctly and also touches on some of what we can do to optimize them, including healthy eating, good sleep, stress relief, and environmental detox. In addition, today’s conversation covers parenting practices in relation to TV game and fast food addictions, the idea that genes work communally with each other, Dr. Lynch’s awesome line of supplements, and a whole lot more! This episode of the podcast is brought to you by Billings, Eating well, and conveniently, is more important now than ever, so we're excited to have a new sponsor: High quality seafood delivered straight to your door From Billing's Seafood Guys. Choose from one of the pre made boxes (5lbs each) or make your own, with options like salmon, cod, halibut, and a range of other seafood options, all sourced directly from Alaska. Use the promo code ben when you visit wildalaskanseafoodbox.com/ben and you'll receive $20 off your first order, plus a free half pound bag of scallops in every box with your membership.   Timestamps Introducing today’s conversation with Dr. Ben Lynch. [0:17] What epigenetics is and how Dr. Lynch got into it. [4:20] Research questioning how much genetics really is responsible for different health conditions. [7:28] Protecting children from events that cause negative epigenetic shifts. [10:12] Understanding translational epigenetics: passing genetic programming onto offspring. [11:30] Preparing for a predisposed weakness using epigenetic knowledge. [16:11] The problem of dopamine addiction from things like computer games. [19:45] How a genetic susceptibility can result in dopamine addiction. [21:27] Connections between dopamine crashes and other addictions. [21:50] The connection between COMT, dopamine, and addictive/successful personalities. [22:56] Supplementing to accommodate for the inheritance of a typical COMT gene. [26:17] The danger of only supplementing one gene who relies on others to do its work. [26:54] Effects of having naturally high dopamine levels and how to accommodate that. [28:06] The connection between high dopamine and Parkinson’s. [30:30] Coping mechanisms to help accommodate naturally high or low dopamine. [31:10] Different stimulation resistance and career suitability according to dopamine levels. [34:28] The necessity of being aware of processed food’s effects on dopamine. [36:44] Dr. Lynch’s perspectives on ‘good-tasting alternatives;’ are they any better? [41:57] Treatments for acne and odor and food’s effect on the microbiome. [45:30] How to test your microbiome. [49:34] Initial steps for self-diagnosis and treatment for dysbiosis. [51:10] What methylation is and its use as a component of health. [53:31] Checking methylation status by measuring homocysteine levels. [56:18] The first four dirty genes Dr. Lynch speaks about in his book: MTHFR and more. [57:20] Different effects of a riboflavin deficiency and how to treat it. [1:01:01] Dr. Lynch’s histamine issues and how he overcame them using probiotics. [1:05:35] The last four dirty genes in Dr. Lynch’s book: PEMT, phosphatidylcholine, etc. [1:07:00] Final thoughts on the methylation status of the cell and Dr. Lynch’s contact details. [1:08:46]

While we change our habits and mindset to pursue the goals that matter to us most, it’s important not to forget to make loving ourselves and others a top priority too. For today’s show, Ben and Ashleigh will be talking about this concept using three keywords – friendship, forgiveness, and fat! Before that, though, we hear their thoughts on cardio workouts, breath work, enduring pain, different ideal physiques, and why it’s important that efforts to achieve a goal be motivated by personal development rather than trophies. Next up, Ben opens up about his personal journey with bodybuilding, his parents, and the relationships he undervalued along the way. He has realized that the pursuit of optimal health should be far more well-rounded, and this involves cherishing those who matter - even if they have hurt you. Sometimes we get resentful about a person’s behavior, as Ben did with his dad, and he shares some techniques he used to develop more empathy that led him toward forgiveness and ultimately, more love. We hear about the community Ben is trying to build next, and how important this notion is for creating a shared sense of support. From there, Ben and Ashley talk about the idea that achieving a goal – burning fat for instance – is all about changing one’s habits and mindset. Our hosts show a lot of vulnerability and share meaningful ways to be a happier, healthier, and more loving person in this episode so it’s definitely one to tune in for. Before wrapping things up though, they get into some listener questions about recovering from hernias, getting better sleep, and how to gauge if one’s resting heart rate is too low, before sharing about their love for some of the well-known products mentioned on this show. This includes BLUblox, today’s sponsor, so head over to https://blublox.com/muscleintelligenceand get 15% off your first order using the code ‘muscle’!     Timestamps Thoughts on coronavirus and countries that are opening up. [0:18] Ben’s outdoor breath control cardio workouts and the Muscle Intelligence Trilogy. [3:02] Why cardio workouts are not for fat burning but increasing the body’s recovery ability. [6:21] Box breathing, enduring pain, and Ashleigh’s James Fitzgerald step-up test experience. [7:59] Breathing’s place in pursuing fitness mastery and celeb athletes engaged in MI40. [12:14] Erin Stern’s figure transformation and thoughts on different ideal figures. [15:13] Working out for a trophy or for the sake of personal development. [17:41] The importance of valuing friends even while neurotically pursuing a goal. [19:33] Realizations Ben has come to and his gift for coaching holistic wellness. [21:45] How Ben released his anger at his dad and himself through forgiveness. [25:07] The importance of community for assisting others who then reciprocate. [32:59] Supporting people through struggle versus cutting toxic people out. [37:10] Ben’s acid test for who he’ll train: people who take ownership. [39:44] Beating fat: changing is not hard, but a matter of shifting beliefs and habits. [41:01] Ben’s experiment using olive oil to shift his phospholipid bilayer. [44:08] Why people get hernias and step by step guidelines for recovering from one. [47:58] How to get better deep and REM sleep using L-theanine and taurine. [53:33] When to know if a low resting heart rate is a cause for concern. [58:39] The brilliant job BLUblox products do for improving sleep. [1:04:01] Benefits of grass-fed meat from Belcampo over grain-fed. [1:06:10]

Today’s very special guest is Erwan Le Corre, the founder of ‘MovNat’, a synthesis of his passion for real-world physical competency, love of movement in nature, extensive knowledge of Physical Education history, and his personal philosophy of life. Erwan gets into so many topics today that will be of huge benefit to followers of this podcast, talking of course about his philosophy of movement but also his ethos about how to guide thoughts and emotions while becoming the best versions of our selves. Erwan starts off sketching out how MovNat works by being premised on an end goal – becoming physically competent to handle any situation. In this paradigm, physique is not the aim, but rather a byproduct of a much deeper journey in pursuit of skill, much like martial arts. From there, he shares his perspectives on a broader conception of self-development, and the place that taking responsibility, showing commitment, and manifestation occupy in them. Society might negatively affect us, but we empower ourselves by realizing our lives are the result of our choices. Manifestation is real, and rather than involving wanting something material that somebody else has, Erwan sees this practice as only bringing that which is equivalent to our current state. Anything is possible and we shouldn’t tell ourselves that we can’t have what we desire, but we need to realize that any positive change takes commitment and slowly we will see results. Do not miss this amazing episode with the godfather of MovNat, and a man who truly understands the mindset piece of wellness, Erwan Le Corre. Today’s show is sponsored by Billings, Eating well, and conveniently, is more important now than ever, so we're excited to have a new sponsor: High-quality seafood delivered straight to your door From Billing's Seafood Guys. Choose from one of the pre-made boxes (5lbs each) or make your own, with options like salmon, cod, halibut, and a range of other seafood options, all sourced directly from Alaska. Use the promo code ben when you visit wildalaskanseafoodbox.com/ben and you'll receive $20 off your first order, plus a free half pound bag of scallops in every box with your membership.   Timestamps Gratitude for the easing of restrictions; using exercise to become more present. [0:23] Talking manifestation and creating your own life with today’s guest: Erwan Le Corre. [3:40] Manifestation as a combination of altering events through thought and action. [6:00] Erwan’s perspective that mental energy can draw events one has in mind toward them. [9:14] Seeing an experience as the feeling it brings, not its external character. [9:32] How you can only manifest things that are equivalent to your current state. [11:40] The end aim Erwan’s approach aspires to: a body that can navigate this world. [11:57] Seeing physiological results as a byproduct of a skills-first teaching approach. [16:01] Aiming to have multidimensional locomotive skills, to handle any physical challenge. [17:20] The idea that physical competence builds confidence, but not in all contexts. [20:40] Links between physicality and spirituality in Erwan’s natural movement practice. [25:00] Our culture of compartmentalization and the double-edged sword of specialization. [26:10] Truly empowering ourselves by recognizing that everything we do is our choice. [29:00] How to know whether our choices are good for us: how do they make us feel? [32:13] While ‘society’ pressures us, we empower ourselves by taking responsibility. [36:51] The damage our tendency to believe we can’t have what we truly desire causes. [39:00] Seeing manifestation as beginning with choosing who one wants to be. [40:23] A reframing of mediocrity and considering how it’s painted in different religions. [44:27] Understanding that successful people might have bad lives thus shouldn’t be idolized. [46:45] Placing the cart before the horse: wanting the result before changing oneself. [47:26] Steps to take to start becoming the person you want to be: having commitment. [48:53] True confidence that can be gained after committing to the hard work of changing. [53:44] Erwan’s story that his success started with just an idea. [55:17] Perspectives on what makes a great teacher: reaching the student’s heart and mind. [1:01:30]

Welcome back to another Q&A, where Ashleigh and Ben talk about how to optimize your mental and physical wellbeing, considering dieting, workout practices, habits, learning to love discomfort, and more! We begin with a reminder about Ben’s six pillars, and how his workouts are becoming more intellectually focused, a time he takes to be hyper-aware about mobility, stability, skill, and strength. This leads Ben and Ash to hone in on the mental aspects of fitness, and they talk about how working out can be a springboard to creating healthier habits as well as how beneficial mentally arduous training can be for your sense of pride and accomplishment. From there they switch to topics of building muscle on a vegetarian diet, managing stress by controlling carbon dioxide, how to be a great leader by learning to listen, and expanding horizons wherever possible. Next up, Ben weighs in on the question of whether a diet or workout plan should be top of mind if you're aiming to lose fat. We hear the typical process he would take a student through, starting with workouts, and then tweaking calorie intake based on heart rate variability. We look at what habits affect HRV too, and also talk about its connection to sympathetic arousal, considering the fine line between healthy and unhealthy amounts. We end things off hearing about Ben’s love for all his show sponsors, and he shouts out today’s awesome one – Eating well, and conveniently, is more important now than ever, so we're excited to have a new sponsor: High-quality seafood delivered straight to your door From Billing's Seafood Guys. Choose from one of the pre-made boxes (5lbs each) or make your own, with options like salmon, cod, halibut, and a range of other seafood options, all sourced directly from Alaska. Use the promo code ben when you visit wildalaskanseafoodbox.com/ben and you'll receive $20 off your first order, plus a free half pound bag of scallops in every box with your membership.   Timestamps The origins of this podcast and how Ben went from bodybuilding to the six pillars. [0:18] How Ben intellectualizes correct workouts using mobility, stability, skill, and strength. [2:28] Keeping aware of the spine and things that move that shouldn’t during workouts. [6:11] Ben’s two-week workout, workout mindfulness, and becoming consciously competent. [8:50] Using exercise as a way of identifying habits, skills, and attributes you want to create. [14:50] ‘Working in’: mentally arduous workouts and the rush of pushing through what’s uncomfortable. [15:45] Changing your cognitive association with discomfort from negative to positive. [20:58] How to build muscle on a vegetarian/vegan diet taking MAP supplements. [22:33] Controlling stress through breathing and Brian Mackenzie’s webinar. [27:17] Listening and being honest from a place of love: good leadership practices. [28:16] Applying the principle of expanding your horizons to the books you read. [31:39] The importance of curating your thoughts if you want to become a better person. [33:26] Using technology versus a natural process to achieve a desired state. [35:33] How blood flow restriction bands work and how to use them. [37:33] Losing fat by upping workouts before cutting calories/changing diet. [39:51] Using heart rate variability to start pulling calories down once workouts are set. [43:22] The line between healthy and unhealthy states of sympathetic arousal. [44:10] Big issues that could drive HRV down: sleep, breathing, stress, food, training. [45:22] Oura Ring use and getting the best seafood box deliveries from Billings. [46:36] Being calmed by Deadliest Catch and visiting untouched places. [49:38] Thoughts on training heavily in the morning and volume in the evening on the same muscle group. [52:07]

Gear up for another episode of Q&A in which Ben and Ashleigh respond to a host of questions asked in their Facebook community. Before diving into the questions, they remind listeners about the importance of getting enough sunlight and spending time outdoors and explain why challenging times like these can be mined for invaluable life lessons on which to build a more secure future. Ben explains why stability is the foundational prerequisite for building muscle and strength, why having the correct form is non-negotiable in exercise, and even if you think you’ve reached your muscle-building capacity, you’ve likely only reached about 20%. As far as the business side goes, Ben gives an update on the postponed muscle camps, he gets listeners excited about the new Muscle Intelligence blog page and the content that will be posted there, and outlines what he aims to do with the exclusive mentorship programs he’s working on. Returning to the science, your hosts answer questions related to regulating and tracking blood glucose levels, approaching core exercise after a C-section, the possible benefits of CBD, the value of the cyclical ketogenic diet, and the best exercises for improving aerobic health and HRV. Do not forget to visit our great show sponsors, BLUblox, for the best in blue-blocking eyewear. Get 15% off my favorite blue light-blocking and eye-strain reducing glasses from BLUBlox at https://blublox.com/muscleintelligence using the code MUSCLE. Timestamps Hear how spending time outdoors and getting exercise energize you for the day. [1:21] Recognizing the reality that we either move toward pleasure or away from pain. [2:15] Learning from difficult situations and why the current disillusionment can be good. [4:03] The foundational prerequisite to building muscle and strength at any age. [8:05] Why the correct form is so important in exercising effectively and injury-free. [11:50] Learn about the at-home workouts and nutrition plan Ben has available. [16:24] Why it is unlikely to reach your natural potential as far as muscle building goes. [17:52] The value of improving your heart rate variability in building muscle naturally. [21:24]  Understanding that exercise is futile without the required internal response. [22:09] Thoughts on box breathing and using your diaphragm while walking. [23:41] An update on Ben’s muscle camps and how his mentorships are structured. [26:42] Learn about the new Muscle Intelligence blog page and the content we put up. [32:21] Advice for working your core muscles after C-sections and/or myomectomy. [34:38] Guidelines for where blood glucose levels should be and how to decrease it. [39:21] Ben’s thoughts on CBD: purification processes, quality, benefits, and more. [43:08] The value of a cyclical ketogenic diet and the role of genetics, activity, and stress. [47:07] Should you have carbs before or after workouts while on the keto diet? [51:23] Why lowering body fat and building muscle should be synonymous. [55:00] The best exercises to improve aerobic health and HRV. [58:51]

In Ben’s opinion, olive oil is without a doubt the most important oil that we have in our diet. With that being said, today’s guest is TJ Robinson, the man behind the Fresh-Pressed Olive Oil that gets so much love on the show. After all the hunting TJ does around the world, it was his turn to be hunted by Ben, and the resulting conversation the two have on today’s show is worth its weight in gold. TJ had an olive oil epiphany after tasting true fresh-pressed olive oil while on a trip to Sicily during his days as a chef and never looked back. Since then, he has been traveling the world to work with the best producers out there. Ben and TJ do some live testing of different varieties today, and TJ covers the fascinating and intricate ways high-quality olive oil gets produced and assessed, its many complex flavor profiles, and huge health benefits. We hear about the different varieties and TJ’s artisanal process compared to the regular and scam-ridden industrial-scale operations. TJ takes care not to mix strains, makes sure to bottle correctly, and strives to get the product to his club members' pantries as quickly as possible. Ben also expresses his love for this food type and speaks about how its antioxidants and polyphenols work wonders for inflammation and wrapping cells’ phospholipid bilayer with the right oil type. Thanks to my favorite olive oil company Fresh Pressed for sponsoring the show - if you want to try a full-sized bottle of my favorite high quality, super fresh extra virgin olive oil for just $1, while supplies last, check out getfresh35.com! Timestamps The centrality of good habits in achieving your goals. [0:17] Enjoying real food like olive oil by cutting hyper-palatable food out, and today’s guest. [2:29] The many benefits of olive oil and why Ben is totally obsessed with it. [5:28] Keeping the phospholipid bilayer of your cells composed of olive oil fats. [10:02] The story of TJ’s epiphany tasting fresh olive oil for the first time in Sicily. [12:01] Good versus bad olive oil and the mafia that controls America’s bad olive oil supply. [16:17] Timeframes from pressing day to when TJ’s oil reaches customers. [17:46] Health benefits of low yield artisanal methods that keep varieties separate. [20:25] Working with Flos Olei winners and what goes into its competitive judging process. [22:50] A live tasting with Ben and the different markers of an olive oil’s smell and taste. [25:59] Moving from smelling to tasting the sample of olive oil and the polyphenol cough test. [30:13] Olive oil as a healthy fat, decreasing inflammation, and what foods to pair varieties with.[33:33] Whether you can spot a good olive oil in a regular shop without having a press date. [39:23] How to store olive oil, when to consume it by, and what deteriorates its quality. [43:36] Colorants, diluting, and how the olive oil Mafia tampers with bad oil it supplies. [44:38] The discovery of the inflammation curing oleocanthal, a natural ibuprofen, in olive oil. [46:41] Membership details and the benefits of signing up for TJ’s club: a $1 bottle and more! [48:46]

Welcome back to another great Q&A where listeners get a chance to have their questions answered by Ben and Ashleigh! We start today off hearing some updates on how our hosts have been coping in isolation, and they speak about the value of keeping positive, working hard and eating right, but also knowing how to relax at the end of it all. From there, things move into the subject of good health and the foundational role it plays in achieving optimal physical performance. Ben shares a few tips for what a well-rounded workout involves and then gets deeper into all the things that should be focussed on before that. These, of course, are his six pillars, and listeners get a chance to hear a more in-depth description of what some of them entail. Ben focuses heavily on breathing and we hear about the benefits of building Co2 tolerance through low-intensity interval trainings and other techniques. Today’s show also looks at resilience from other angles, and Ben gives listeners all they need to know about how we can learn to program the parasympathetic nervous system to be able to cope with different stressors whether we are genetically inclined to do so or not. Some other questions introduce ideas around managing inflammation, keto workouts, achieving both growth and longevity, and some of what goes into Ben’s approach to coaching. We wrap things up with a nod to the show’s awesome sponsor, Fresh-Pressed Olive Oil, and remind listeners that they can get a bottle for just a dollar by heading over to getfresh35.com and using the code ‘getfresh35’.   Timestamps The value of working extra hard but knowing how to relax during the crisis. [0:18] Gratitude, delegation, supplements, and overworking to cope right now. [5:01] The gradual ease of quarantine and Ben’s focus on upcoming projects in the quiet. [12:01] Negligent coaches and the value of tailoring workouts to your level. [15:20] Optimizing health before building muscle and the foundations of an optimal physique. [17:26] The breathing side of fitness and becoming more carbon dioxide tolerant using LIITs. [19:25] How aerobics, mobility and stability, and strength and skill make up good fitness. [23:57] Benefits of the OURA ring and where to find good supplements in Canada. [28:01] How Ben’s six pillars of optimization appear in his programs. [32:17] Working with your body to build muscle using a health first approach, not steroids. [36:25] Managing stress by gaining conscious control over the autonomic nervous system. [41:31] Ben’s coaching focus on breathing, walking, and meditation before muscle building. [44:42] Setting diet and workout parameters to achieve growth and longevity. [48:28] The long list of habits and nutrients that affect inflammation. [51:47] Finding the missing pieces to optimum health and the aim of this podcast. [54:02] Overcoming attachments to self-limiting beliefs and getting through this hard time. [56:02] Ben’s love for olive oil and the process behind Fresh-Pressed Olive Oil. [1:00:09] The differences between keto and carbohydrate-heavy workouts. [1:05:04]

Dr. Dan Stickler, an optimization expert, discusses the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on our immune system and long-term responses. He emphasizes the importance of viewing the human body as a complex system and highlights the interconnectedness of everything. Topics include peptides, managing uncertainty, optimizing sleep, the origins of major viruses, and metrics for anti-fragility.

Welcome back to another episode everybody — recorded live in quarantine! It's another Q&A since we know how much all of you need it right now. In this conversation, you can expect to hear Ben share a bunch of thoughts on everything from coaching and seafood to writing and meditation! We start off the chat talking about some misdirected thinking on calories and some better ways to go about the pursuit of weight-loss. The discussion turns to independent action and the ability to make changes without external structure before Ben and Ash think more deeply about designing your best life and working backward in order to do this. We also look at stretching and how this can take on a meditative and mindful quality, as you become more in touch with your muscles. The meat of the episode is dedicated to advice for coaches, especially younger ones aiming to make an impression and progress in their work. Ben's main thought here is to stay open to learning and maintain a sense of humbleness. If you are under 30, chances are you actually suck, so the sooner you can get that into your head, the sooner you will be able to move on and improve! To round things off we chat about seafood, writing out ideas, protein intake and some tips for quarantine life! Remember to check out our great show sponsors, Billings Seafood for the best selection of fish and seafood in the world! Visit wildalaskanseafoodbox.com/ben, and get $20 off your order and free scallops!   Timestamps Realigning the way we think about calories and weight-loss. [0:25] Implementing purposeful change independently through awareness and action. [6:08] Designing your life and finding your deeper goals and purpose. [10:04] Quarantine stiffness; getting used to new patterns and routines. [15:19] The value of stretching and the meditative quality to lengthening muscles. [17:47] Ben's tips for aspiring coaches and avoiding entitlement and a false sense of confidence. [22:31] The strength of youth and enthusiasm combined with an openness to learning. [28:01] Steps that young coaches can take to facilitate buy-in. [31:29] How Ben goes about creating a new document or learning resource. [34:47] Good over best; getting ideas down and making things happen. [40:03] Nutritional benefits of fish and Ben's story of growing to love eating it. [43:22] Methods for simple, delicious preparation of salmon, Ben style! [48:41] Ash's new dehydrator and why she is so excited about using it during quarantine. [50:30] Healthy amounts of protein according to your unique body and workout routine. [51:34] Fish oil, content production and more! Quick-fire questions from the live session. [55:04] Ben's yoga practice and his favorite style to engage with. [59:16]

We have an extra special episode in store for all of our listeners today! A live conversation with Ben Greenfield that we promise you are not going to want to miss. Ben is one of the most prominent minds in the health and fitness world and his attention to holistic and ancestral ideas is second to none! We get into a big discussion on longevity and all the areas that are to be considered when aiming to optimize for it. Ben also weighs in with his thoughts on medicine, cleansing, diet and health hacks he is currently using. The conversation gets pretty deep so buckle up, Ben leaves no stone unturned aiming for the best, healthiest life possible! He also approaches all of this from a strong desire to help those around him, something that is motivated by pure altruism and love. It is really refreshing to hear someone speak so fearlessly about his desire to help the world realize their potential. Today's episode is at once broad and wide-ranging but also includes specific information on products, ideas, and nutrients that Ben believes are worthwhile. He zeroes in on a bunch of topics, sharing his experiences as well as what research shows us! The final part of our conversation includes Ben's thoughts on parenting and his hopes for his children, something he takes very seriously and purposefully. There is more information in this episode than we can try to summarize, so you will just have to have a listen and be sure to keep a pen and paper handy! As always a big thank you to our show sponsors, BLUblox! Go to https://blublox.com/muscleintelligence and use the code 'MUSCLE' for 15% off the best blue-blocking eyewear in the world!   Timestamps Ben's new book and what eventually made it to the press. [6:22] A starting point for longevity; the most important markers to give attention to. [8:33] Walking speed, grip strength and VO2 max; metrics to track for longevity. [14:02] Optimal levels for resting glucose and insulin. [20:18] The increasing evidence for the benefits of a morning cold soak. [26:01] Thinking about the role of protein in relation to longevity. [30:03] A more parasympathetic perspective on food and Ben's appreciation for sustenance. [33:06] The sections of Ben's book that deal with home soaking, sprouting and fermenting. [43:13] Olive oil, black seed oil and the rest of Ben's staples for his pantry. [48:03] Courses, workshops and recipes that Ben and his wife Jessa have offered. [51:44] Ben's unique relationship with his food and how this journey began. [55:27] Couple's therapy, breathwork and plant medicine usage in Ben's home. [1:00:26]