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Jun 9, 2023 • 1h 8min

Breaking Up with Tech Debt: A Love Story with M. Scott Ford

Remember: you can also always follow the show on Twitter @dotnetcoreshow, and the shows host on Twitter @podcasterJay or visit our Contact page. Welcome to season 5 of the award-winning .NET Core Podcast! Check that link for proof. Hello everyone and welcome to THE .NET Core Podcast. An award-winning podcast where we reach into the core of the .NET technology stack and, with the help of the .NET community, present you with the information that you need in order to grok the many moving parts of one of the biggest cross-platform, multi-application frameworks on the planet. Software maintenance is an integral part of any software development project, but it can often be neglected, leading to a range of problems down the line. M. Scott Ford, the co-founder, chief code whisperer, and CTO of CorgyBytes, is passionate about helping teams make improvements to their existing software systems rather than throwing them away and starting from scratch. In this episode of The .NET Core Podcast, Ford and Jamie discussed the challenges of maintaining software and some of the tools they use to make it easier. One of the tools they discussed was Freshli, a tool that visualizes tech debt and shows how difficult a codebase is to work with. It tracks the age of dependencies and can help identify potential risks before they become major problems. They also discussed the Equifax hack from 2017, which was caused by a single outdated dependency. This highlights the importance of keeping dependencies up to date and the potential risks of neglecting them. The conversation also touched on the need for more spaces for developers to meet up and exchange ideas and feedback. Ford and Taylor believe that the real nuggets of information are shared in the conversations that happen between talks or at the pub afterwards, and that these sessions allow people to do that organically. One key takeaway from the discussion was the idea of making small, incremental improvements to a project rather than trying to fix everything at once. This approach is similar to a sports team focusing on individual attributes to improve overall performance. It can be more manageable and less overwhelming for a team to make small changes rather than trying to tackle everything at once. The podcast also highlighted the challenge of dependencies becoming out of date and the importance of tracking and updating them regularly to reduce risk. Ford and Taylor discussed the use of dependency freshness metrics, specifically the libyear metric, to track the age of dependencies and how it changes over time. This metric can be used to communicate the level of risk a development team is carrying to leadership. Overall, the conversation in this episode sheds light on the importance of software maintenance and the tools available to make it easier. Outdated dependencies in software projects can have a significant impact on productivity and security, but it is often an invisible problem that goes unnoticed by leadership. By implementing tools like Freshli and tracking the age of dependencies, teams can reduce the potential risks and make software maintenance more manageable. The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at https://dotnetcore.show/episode-124-breaking-up-with-tech-debt-a-love-story-with-m-scott-ford/ Useful Links from the episode: The .NET Core Podcast Discord Server Part one of my discussion with M. Scott Ford CorgyBytes Legacy Code Rocks Legacy Code Rocks on Mastadon MenderCon libyear Measuring Dependency Freshness in Software Systems FrequencyReducesDifficulty by Martin Fowler Freshli https://freshli.app/ https://freshli.io/ https://github.com/corgibytes Software bill materials Ruby Gems PyPy https://owasp.org/www-project-cyclonedx/ Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast
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May 26, 2023 • 1h 6min

Docker for .NET Devs With Carl Sargunar

Remember: you can also always follow the show on Twitter @dotnetcoreshow, and the shows host on Twitter @podcasterJay or visit our Contact page. Welcome to season 5 of the award-winning .NET Core Podcast! Check that link for proof. Hello everyone and welcome to THE .NET Core Podcast. An award-winning podcast where we reach into the core of the .NET technology stack and, with the help of the .NET community, present you with the information that you need in order to grok the many moving parts of one of the biggest cross-platform, multi-application frameworks on the planet. This episode features Carl Sargunar, a web developer who has been freelancing for nine years and specializes in the content management system Umbraco. Sargunar noted that the barrier for entry for trying new technologies has been greatly reduced. It is now as easy as finding the right tutorial, YouTube video, or Sargunar’s own resources. Visual Studio Code is one of the nicest editors available, and developers can right-click on a project to add a container to it. We discuss how Docker can be used to create reproducible builds and have truly cross-platform code. The .NET technology stack now runs on any operating system and architecture, including Arm, Raspberry Pi’s, and other IoT devices. Developers can dual boot to Linux or use a Mac machine, and can run their apps on a variety of devices and architectures. Umbraco embraced .NET Core and took on a full platform rewrite to migrate the entire code base from Framework to 3.1. .NET developers have the luxury of using any tool they are comfortable with, and they can run their apps on brand new CPU architectures like the M1 and M2 chips. Docker makes it easy to try out new technologies without needing to buy expensive hardware or install Linux. GitHub Code Spaces and JetBrains Fleet allow developers to spin up an IDE in the cloud so that they do not need a powerful machine to develop applications. Containers can be shared with others so that they can work on the same project without needing to install the same software. Docker files are plain text files that describe the changes made to the environment, making troubleshooting much easier. Carl recently ran a workshop at the Code Garden Conference, introducing people to containers. He explained how Docker containers can be used to quickly and easily spin up an application with multiple containers, such as a web server, a database server, and a small website running Blazer and an API. Docker Compose can be used to build and run the application with just one command, and containers can be used to abstract away the operating system and dependencies, making it easier to deploy applications. The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at https://dotnetcore.show/episode-123-docker-for-net-devs-with-carl-sargunar/ Useful Links from the episode: Carl on Twitter Carl's Blog Carl's Umbraco Workshop on GitHub the infamous Rob Miles Tabs and Spaces Docker for Windows Mac in Cloud GitHub's Code Spaces JetBrains Fleet open container standard Project Rider – A New Challenger Appears Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast
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May 12, 2023 • 1h

Managing Dependencies with M. Scott Ford

Remember: you can also always follow the show on Twitter @dotnetcoreshow, and the shows host on Twitter @podcasterJay or visit our Contact page. Welcome to season 5 of the award-winning .NET Core Podcast! Check that link for proof. Hello everyone and welcome to THE .NET Core Podcast. An award-winning podcast where we reach into the core of the .NET technology stack and, with the help of the .NET community, present you with the information that you need in order to grok the many moving parts of one of the biggest cross-platform, multi-application frameworks on the planet. I am your host, Jamie "GaProgMan" Taylor. In this episode, I talked with M. Scott Ford of the Legacy Code Rocks podcast about managing your applications and legacy code. We talked about why metric, analytics, and logging are so important; we talked about what legacy code is; and Scott also talked about why tests are so important to him. Along the way, Scott shared some amazing tips for developers regardless of where they are in their journey, and regardless of the technology stack that they use - including how he uses pact.io to make integration testing a breeze. He also shares some of the ways that he stays up to date with all of the libraries and packages that are out there - pro tip: it's related to our chat about metrics, but I won't spoil anything for you just yet - So make sure that you stick around to the end of the episode to find out about those. The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at https://dotnetcore.show/episode-122-managing-dependencies-with-m-scott-ford Useful Links from the episode: The .NET Core Podcast Discord Server Legacy Code Rocks pact.io Corgi Bytes Tabs and Spaces The Ship of Theseus The Palace by Rudyard Kipling KonMari method Playwright Playwright .NET Microsoft Dev Blogs. InfoQ Change Log podcast Some relevant Awesome lists on GitHub: Awesome .NET Core Awesome Web Awesome React Awesome Awesome NuGet.org stats Freshli freshli.app github.com/corgibytes/freshli Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast
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Apr 28, 2023 • 1h 36min

A .NET Discussion with Isaac Levin

Remember: you can also always follow the show on Twitter @dotnetcoreshow, and the shows host on Twitter @podcasterJay or visit our Contact page. Welcome to season 5 of the award-winning .NET Core Podcast! Check that link for proof. Hello everyone and welcome to THE .NET Core Podcast. An award-winning podcast where we reach into the core of the .NET technology stack and, with the help of the .NET community, present you with the information that you need in order to grok the many moving parts of one of the biggest cross-platform, multi-application frameworks on the planet. We recently interviewed Isaac Levin, a .NET Developer Advocate at AWS (Amazon Web Services). Isaac has been a .NET developer since 2010 and offered some interesting insights into the world of technology. Isaac discussed the need for developers to focus on the business value they can bring through technology, rather than the technical details. He highlighted the importance of having a team of developers with different levels of skill and experience in order to work together effectively. Isaac also stressed the need to use existing tools and libraries rather than trying to build everything from scratch. The conversation moved on to the importance of open-source contribution and the need for companies to support open-source projects. Isaac spoke of the importance of being thankful and appreciative, reporting bugs, writing documentation, or donating money to support open-source projects. He also mentioned the story of left-pad, which is an example of how a developer's choice can have a huge impact on many people. Isaac discussed his role as a developer advocate, talking about how he helps to filter noise and be a conduit between customers, the business, and the product group. He also discussed the need for technology to be more navigable and how developer advocacy can be a routing mechanism to help customers get answers. Overall, the conversation between Jamie and Isaac offered a lot of valuable advice and insights into the world of technology. They discussed the need to focus on business value and the importance of using existing tools and libraries. They also discussed the need for companies to support open-source projects, as well as the need for technology to be more navigable. Finally, they highlighted the importance of having a designated person or team to keep up to date with technology decisions.   The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at https://dotnetcore.show/episode-121-dotnet-discussion-with-isaac-levin/ Useful Links from the episode: Isaac Levin's social links Coffee & Open Source Unlock the power of the cloud with .NET on AWS .NET on AWS - GitHub repo Porting assistant for .NET AWS app2 container AWS Microservice extractor for .NET What they didn't teach you at uni... Raw With Jay: Let's Ditch the Gatekeepers Episode 20 - Xamarin with Jim Bennett0 XKCD - Dependency Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast
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Apr 14, 2023 • 1h 14min

Inside Avalonia's Cross-Platform UI Toolkit and the Quest for Quality Documentation with Mike James

Remember: you can also always follow the show on Twitter @dotnetcoreshow, and the shows host on Twitter @podcasterJay or visit our Contact page. Welcome to season 5 of the award-winning .NET Core Podcast! Check that link for proof. Hello everyone and welcome to THE .NET Core Podcast. An award-winning podcast where we reach into the core of the .NET technology stack and, with the help of the .NET community, present you with the information that you need in order to grok the many moving parts of one of the biggest cross-platform, multi-application frameworks on the planet. I am your host, Jamie "GaProgMan" Taylor. In this episode, I talked with Mike James about Avalonia and XPF. Mike is the CEO of Avalonia, and I wanted to talk about some of the things that Avalonia and it’s XPF offering solve. This meant discussing Avalonia’s competitors (Uno, Maui, and native apps), and talking about Avalonia’s lack of good quality documentation - this has been solved in the time since we recorded this interview (March 17th, 2023). Along the way, we talked about open source development and some of the expectations placed on open source developers by both the community and the open source developers themselves. And make sure to stick around to the very end to hear Mike drop some software engineering wisdom when he tells us precisely how the team got a cross platform UI framework running on all of the Linuxes - the way they did it might actually shock you. The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at  https://dotnetcore.show/episode-120-inside-avalonias-cross-platform-ui-toolkit-and-the-quest-for-quality-documentation-with-mike-james Useful Links from the episode: https://www.avaloniaui.net https://avaloniaui.net/XPF https://t.me/Avalonia Mike on Twitter MonoMac AvaloniaUI on GitHub XKCD: Dependencies XPF Flight of the Concords - Hiphopopotamus vs. Rhymenoceros Obsidian VS Codium MVVM WPF on GitHub Mike showing .NETPad using XPF Paul Thurrott's GitHub MoMA Olia Gavrysh from Microsoft Laurent Kempé requesting a demo of Family Show using XPF. Family Show on GitHub Mac Catalyst Skia Flutter Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast
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Mar 31, 2023 • 1h 10min

Comparers with Stephen Cleary

This episode is sponsored in part by dotConnect by Devart. Whether you're a developer or a business owner, dotConnect has the database integration tools you need to succeed. Remember: you can also always follow the show on Twitter @dotnetcoreshow, and the shows host on Twitter @podcasterJay or visit our Contact page. Welcome to season 5 of the award-winning .NET Core Podcast! Check that link for proof. Hello everyone and welcome to THE .NET Core Podcast. An award-winning podcast where we reach into the core of the .NET technology stack and, with the help of the .NET community, present you with the information that you need in order to grok the many moving parts of one of the biggest cross-platform, multi-application frameworks on the planet. I am your host, Jamie "GaProgMan" Taylor. In this episode, I talked with Stephen Cleary about his Comparers library and how comparison and equality of objects in your code base mean different things to different people. For instance, one block of code may view equality as two different object instances with the same ID field, and a different block of code may view equality as a combination of other properties being equal. It's all different for different people, for different consumers, right. We also talk about the importance of unit testing in the comparers library and how writing these unit tests has sort of unearthed some interesting corner cases in the .NET BCL. Along the way, we discuss our opinions and guesswork regarding a potential corner case in the .NET BCL. But please do remember that neither Stephen nor myself actually work for Microsoft or indeed were involved in writing the original BCL. As such, our opinions and guesswork are just that: guesswork and opinions. The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at https://dotnetcore.show/episode-119-comparers-with-stephen-cleary Useful Links from the episode: The .NET Core Podcast Discord Server Comparers The Spaceship operator AsyncEx library SemaphoreSlim video series on YouTube on TCP/IP protocol design Performance Improvements in .NET 7 Flight 68k Don't repeat yourself (DRY) HashCode C# language repo Stephen Clary on GitHub stephencleary.com Cleary Coding Steve Cleary on Twitter Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast
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Mar 17, 2023 • 43min

Empathy, Sympathy, and Compassion For Our Users

Remember: you can also always follow the show on Twitter @dotnetcoreshow, and the shows host on Twitter @podcasterJay or visit our Contact page. Welcome to season 5 of the award-winning .NET Core Podcast! Check that link for proof. Hello everyone and welcome to THE .NET Core Podcast. An award-winning podcast where we reach into the core of the .NET technology stack and, with the help of the .NET community, present you with the information that you need in order to grok the many moving parts of one of the biggest cross-platform, multi-application frameworks on the planet. In this episode you’ll gain insight into the development of software from a humanitarian perspective. Hear from Jamie, who shares his experiences and skills to ensure his software works for his users. Learn how to design platforms with empathy, sympathy, and compassion in mind to make the world a better place and improve user experience. With resources such as case studies and interviews with people in the tech industry, there’s always something new and exciting to learn. Tune into The .NET Core Podcast today and become a part of the revolution! The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at https://dotnetcore.show/episode-118-empathy-sympathy-and-compassion-for-our-users/ Useful Links from the episode: Programming Ethics on Wikipedia IEEE Code of ethics Ethics in the Software Development process on Springer The countercultural revolution The Cuban Missile Crisis TMRC Geek chic Yamaoka Tesshu Sengoku Jidai My CPD logs Empathy vs Sympathy: Which one are you? Sword of Damocles The scientific method Zawinski's Law Episode 48 - Rockstar with Dylan Beattie The Rockstar programming language the Law Society Colourblind Awareness Key information and statistics on sight loss in the UK from the Royal National Institute of Blind People How blind people see the world Accessibility laws and policies Retail Leadership with Steve Worthy The Law of Intuition Overton Window Charles Limb - To be Creative Don’t Think So Hard Pych2Go on Empathy vs Sympathy Simon Sinek on Understanding Sympathy Nasty, Brutish, and Short by Scott Hershovitz How to be Perfect - Michael Schur any book by Dr. Brené Brown Think Again by Adam Grant Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution - Steven Levy The Friendly Orange Glow - Brian Dear Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast
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Mar 3, 2023 • 1h 37min

Our Perspectives on the Future of .NET with Mark J Price

This episode is sponsored in part by Entity.Services. It creates enterprise-level, cloud-ready source code based on a simple configuration. Remember: you can also always follow the show on Twitter @dotnetcoreshow, and the shows host on Twitter @podcasterJay or visit our Contact page. Welcome to season 5 of the award-winning .NET Core Podcast! Check that link for proof. Hello everyone and welcome to THE .NET Core Podcast. An award-winning podcast where we reach into the core of the .NET technology stack and, with the help of the .NET community, present you with the information that you need in order to grok the many moving parts of one of the biggest cross-platform, multi-application frameworks on the planet. I am your host, Jamie "GaProgMan" Taylor. In this episode, Mark J Price returns for the third time. We talked about his new books "C# 11 and .NET 7 - Modern Cross-Platform Development Fundamentals" and "Apps and Services with .NET 7". For most people, writing one technical book in a year would be a monumental task, but Mark wanted to write two: one for people who want to grok the fundamentals of C# 11 .NET 7, and one for people who wanted to get their hands dirty and learn about the many different types of apps that you can write with .NET 7. Along the way, Mark and I swapped into teacher mode and discussed a little about how .NET is becoming more accessible to students and new developers. We also chatted about ChatGPT (which was brand new at the time of recording) and how other machine-learning-based content generators will likely change the worlds of art, prose, and development. The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at https://dotnetcore.show/episode-117-our-perspectives-on-the-future-of-net-with-mark-j-price Useful Links from the episode: C# 11 and .NET 7 - Modern Cross-Platform Development Fundamentals On Amazon Errata on GitHub Apps and Services with .NET 7 On Amazon Errata on GitHub Mark on Twitter Mark's website Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast
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Feb 17, 2023 • 49min

Pivoting into Cybersecurity with John Westgarth

This episode is sponsored in part by Entity.Services. It creates enterprise level, cloud ready source code based on a simple configuration. Remember: you can also always follow the show on Twitter @dotnetcoreshow, and the shows host on Twitter @podcasterJay or visit our Contact page. Welcome to season 5 of the award-winning .NET Core Podcast! Check that link for proof. Hello everyone and welcome to THE .NET Core Podcast. An award-winning podcast where we reach into the core of the .NET technology stack and, with the help of the .NET community, present you with the information that you need in order to grok the many moving parts of one of the biggest cross-platform, multi-application frameworks on the planet. I am your host, Jamie "GaProgMan" Taylor. In this episode, I chatted with John Westgarth about how he pivoted from teaching English as a foreign language to cybersecurity - an industry that he knew nothing about - at the start of the 2020 "situation". We talk about why he decided to take the plunge, and how he got started on this journey. Along the way, we discuss some of the transferable skills that non-technical people have which can be used to help get started in the cybersecurity industry. We also talk about the bootcamp that he attended - CAPSLOCK - and the support he received. It's important to note that this episode isn't an advertisement for CAPSLOCK, just a discussion of John's experiences with them. If you know anyone who would like to get into the cybersecurity industry, please consider sending this episode (and the previous one) on to them, as it is a discussion with almost no technical points, and I feel it might help them to take that next step. The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at https://dotnetcore.show/episode-116-pivoting-into-cyber-security-with-john-westgarth/ Useful Links from the episode: Capslock Capture the Talent Try Hack Me John on LinkedIn Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinions of the show, so please do get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast
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Feb 3, 2023 • 52min

How We Got Into Security with Ashley Burke, Karla Reffold, and Divya Mudgal

Remember: you can also always follow the show on Twitter @dotnetcoreshow, and the shows host on Twitter @podcasterJay or visit our Contact page. Welcome to season 5 of the award-winning .NET Core Podcast! Check that link for proof. Hello everyone and welcome to THE .NET Core Podcast. An award-winning podcast where we reach into the core of the .NET technology stack and, with the help of the .NET community, present you with the information that you need in order to grok the many moving parts of one of the biggest cross-platform, multi-application frameworks on the planet. I am your host, Jamie "GaProgMan" Taylor. In this episode, I hosted a roundtable discussion with Ashley Burke, Karla Reffold, and Divya Mudgal about how they got into the cybersecurity industry, how you don't necessarily need a technical background or need to be a developer in order to get into it, and how there's way more to the industry than the sensationalist "person in a hoodie, typing random commands into a Linux bash prompt," than you might have realised. We talk about the fact that both Ashley and Karla are from "non-traditional" backgrounds (i.e they didn't study Computer Science or Software Engineering) and how their experience differs from Divya's experience, as she studied Computer Science. Along the way, we also discuss some of the issues that they have each faced as women in the cybersecurity industry - an industry which is traditionally very male dominated. We also discuss ways that we can help our colleagues who identify as female. This is a slight departure from our standard topic of .NET, and more into both cybersecurity and the gender divide in our industry. I ask that you listen to what these highly skilled colleagues of ours have to say, and think about what your key takeaways from this conversation are. For instance, some of my favourite takeaways from this were: Karla saying that sometimes, "it's just a case of getting out of the way." Divya saying it shouldn't be about "male vs female", and that we should combine each other's skills and experience to create a greater team. Ashley saying that gender bias can present itself in some of the most subtle ways, and that we should stop teaching those gender biases I also really appreciated having my viewpoint and a specific long-held understanding (one which I thought would help, but actually might have hurt) challenged and changed throughout this discussion. Let me know (via the contact page) what your key takeaways where. The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at https://dotnetcore.show/episode-115-how-we-got-into-security-roundtable/ Useful Links from the episode: Ashley on LinkedIn Karla on LinkedIn Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinions of the show, so please do get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast

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