

People Who Read People: A Behavior and Psychology Podcast
Zachary Elwood
This is a podcast about deciphering human behavior and understanding why people do the things they do. I, Zach Elwood, talk with people from a wide range of fields about how they make sense of human behavior and psychology. I've talked to jury consultants, interrogation professionals, behavior researchers, sports analysts, professional poker players, to name a few. There are more than 135 episodes, many of them quite good (although some say I'm biased). To learn more, go to PeopleWhoReadPeople.com.
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May 7, 2024 • 43min
The psychology of bus driving: reading the behavior of pedestrians, riders, and other drivers
This is a talk with Brendan Bartholomew, who’s a professional bus driver in San Francisco. We talk about the role understanding and predicting human behavior can play when driving a city bus. Topics discussed include: the importance of thinking ahead about potential pedestrian/traffic dangers; how bus drivers know who’s waiting for a bus and who’s not; thoughts on handling unruly and/or mentally ill passengers; how modern rideshare and scooter traffic have changed things for bus drivers. This is a reshare of a talk from 2020.
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Apr 5, 2024 • 55min
Systemic change vs. cultural change in efforts to reduce polarization, with David Foster
A talk with David Foster, who writes about polarization and media at knowthesystem.org and is the author of "Moderates of the World Unite!: Reworking the Political Media Complex." Topics discussed include: the optimal approach for reducing toxic political polarization (cultural change vs systemic changes); defining the word 'moderate' and examining some of the negative connotations it has; the difficulty of making changes in a polarized, high-animosity environment; why some conservatives dislike the idea of making systemic changes; the ideas in David's book for improving the media environment and political discourse.
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Mar 26, 2024 • 1h 8min
How simplistic ideas of power (e.g., the oppressed/oppressor framework) can reduce empathy
Elizaveta Friesem, a writer and researcher focusing on media and social power, dives into the complexities of power dynamics. She critiques oversimplified views of oppressor and oppressed, arguing they diminish empathy. The conversation reveals how Michel Foucault’s ideas challenge binary thinking and highlights the nuanced nature of power throughout history. Friesem also connects power and free will, exploring their implications in political polarization. Ultimately, she advocates for deeper understanding and compassion in addressing societal issues.

Mar 12, 2024 • 1h
Living without free will: A talk with physicist Daniel Whiteson
A talk with Daniel Whiteson, a professor of physics and astronomy, about free will, with a focus on what the effects in one's life are when one doesn't believe in free will. Topics discussed: Our thoughts on why we think free will is unlikely to exist; psychological and emotional aspects of living without a belief in free will; the anxiety and even anger that some people can have about the idea that we lack free will; the idea that a lack of belief in free will can be part of a spiritual, positive way of experiencing the world; and more.
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Mar 4, 2024 • 32min
The news is deepening our divides. Does Tangle News have a solution?
Journalist Isaac Saul discusses creating Tangle News to combat political polarization by offering diverse opinions. He debunks election fraud claims and promotes positive political engagement. Tangle aims to reduce division and promote trust in news sources.

Mar 1, 2024 • 55min
Rounders and Billions screenwriter Brian Koppelman on poker tells and reading behavior
A talk with screenwriter/producer Brian Koppelman, known for many TV and film projects, including the poker movie Rounders, the show Billions, and the series Super Pumped: The Battle For Uber. Topics discussed: how he decided to create Rounders; Zach's writing about unintentional poker tells/behaviors he spotted in Rounders; the allure of reading people's behavior; the difficulty of reading behaviors in most real-world situations; and the anxiety-reducing benefits of transcendental meditation.
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Feb 18, 2024 • 1h 9min
The psychology of poker tells: A talk with pro poker player Dara O'Kearney
A talk with professional poker player Dara O’Kearney about poker tells (aka, physical and verbal behaviors in poker). Dara is the co-host of the popular poker podcast The Chip Race and the author of several books, including GTO Poker Simplified. We talk about: the importance of poker tells compared to strategy; how Dara’s views on tells have changed over time; some ways poker players can get info from opponents (e.g., insulting them or being nice to them); some poker hands where opponent behaviors played a role in a decision.
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Feb 5, 2024 • 1h 18min
Psychological tactics in interrogations and getting confessions, with David Zulawski
A talk with David Zulawski from 2018. Zulawksi is an expert in interrogation and interview techniques and the cofounder of Wicklander Zulawski and Associates. Topics discussed include: Why is the non-confrontational, rapport-focused technique he recommends the best one? Why is it important to downplay the significance of a crime? Why is it important to try to prevent someone from denying the crime/accusation? Why is it important to not tell a suspect all the evidence you have against them? What are some behavioral clues a suspect is lying or telling the truth?
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Jan 28, 2024 • 1min
The Robbi Jade Lew poker scandal: reading behaviors and motivations, with Yakov Hirsch
A talk with professional poker player Yakov Hirsch about the well known high-stakes poker situation where amateur Robbi Jade Lew was accused of cheating by professional player Garrett Adelstein. We give our takes on the hand, and the overall situation, and we talk about Robbi's possible motivations and thought processes during this hand, and about what her behavior might indicate about her thinking.
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Jan 20, 2024 • 45min
Understanding Republican-side animosity towards the media, with Yakov Hirsch
A talk about trying to understand Trump's anger at the American media, Republicans' anger at the media, and how this relates to toxic polarization in America. This is from a talk I had with Yakov Hirsch in late November 2023. Other topics discussed include: Trump-Russia media coverage; Americans' polarized views of Trump; the importance of trying to understand even those people we perceive as dangerous and harmful; American polarization and conflict dynamics in general.
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