
The Human Progress Podcast
Hosted by Marian L. Tupy and Chelsea Follett
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Jan 20, 2022 • 1h 1min
Matt Warner: Development with Dignity | The Human Progress Podcast Ep. 20
Matt Warner, president of Atlas Network, argues that international development works best when it respects human dignity, local knowledge, and self-determination.
Transcript: https://www.humanprogress.org/matt-warner-the-human-progress-podcast-ep-20-transcript/
Matt Warner is president of Atlas Network, a nonprofit grantmaking organization committed to supporting local NGOs in more than 90 countries. Matt is the editor of Poverty and Freedom: Case Studies on Global Economic Development and coined the term "the outsider's dilemma" to describe the challenge of helping low-income countries develop without getting in the way of their most viable paths to prosperity. Matt writes, speaks, and consults internationally on the topics of economics, institution building, nonprofit management, and impact philanthropy. His work has appeared in Foreign Policy, The Hill, Cato Journal, Forbes, Harvard's Education Next, and EconTalk, among others. Matt has a master's degree in economics from George Mason University and is certified by Georgetown University in organizational development consulting. He is also a 2019-2020 Penn Kemble Fellow with the National Endowment for Democracy, a member of American Enterprise Institute's Leadership Network and a recipient of America's Future Foundation's 2019 Buckley Award. Learn more: https://www.atlasnetwork.org/our-people/matt-warner
Chelsea Follett is the managing editor of HumanProgress.org, a project of the Cato Institute that seeks to educate the public on the global improvements in well‐being by providing free empirical data on long‐term developments.
Learn more: https://www.cato.org/people/chelsea-follett
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Jan 10, 2022 • 51min
Vincent Geloso: Fighting Pandemics with Economic Freedom | The Human Progress Podcast Ep.19
Economics Professor Vincent Geloso joins Chelsea Follett to discuss how freedom makes us more resilient to disease.
Transcript: https://www.humanprogress.org/vincent-geloso-the-human-progress-podcast-ep-19-transcript/
Vincent Geloso, Senior Fellow of the Fraser Institute, is an Assistant Professor of Economics at George Mason University and earned his Ph.D. from the London School of Economics. Previously, he was assistant professor of economics at King's University College and Bates College. He earned his undergraduate degree from the University of Montreal. Learn more: https://vincentgeloso.com/
Chelsea Follett is the managing editor of HumanProgress.org, a project of the Cato Institute that seeks to educate the public on the global improvements in well‐being by providing free empirical data on long‐term developments.
Learn more: https://www.cato.org/people/chelsea-follett

Dec 30, 2021 • 55min
The Evolutionary Advantages of Playing Victim with Cory Clark | The Human Progress Podcast Ep.18
Psychologist Cory Clark joins Chelsea Follett to discuss why people play the victim and the social costs of false victimhood.
Transcript: https://www.humanprogress.org/cory-clark-the-human-progress-podcast-ep-18-transcript/
Victimhood is defined in negative terms: “the condition of having been hurt, damaged, or made to suffer.” Yet humans have evolved to empathize with the suffering of others, and to provide assistance so as to eliminate or compensate for that suffering. Consequently, signaling suffering to others can be an effective strategy for attaining resources. Victims may receive attention, sympathy, and social status, as well as financial support and other benefits. And being a victim can generate certain kinds of power: It can justify the seeking of retribution, provide a sense of legitimacy or psychological standing to speak on certain issues, and may even confer moral impunity by minimizing blame for victims’ own wrongdoings.
Article: https://quillette.com/2021/02/27/the-evolutionary-advantages-of-playing-victim/
Cory Clark is a social psychologist at University of Pennsylvania. Follow her on Twitter @ImHardcory. Learn more: https://www.coryjclark.com/
Chelsea Follett is the managing editor of HumanProgress.org, a project of the Cato Institute that seeks to educate the public on the global improvements in well‐being by providing free empirical data on long‐term developments.
Learn more: https://www.cato.org/people/chelsea-follett

Dec 7, 2021 • 1h 7min
Debunking Woke Oppression Narratives with Wilfred Reilly | The Human Progress Podcast Ep.17
Wilfred Reilly, a political scientist and expert on race relations, joins Chelsea Follett to discuss racism in the United States and debunk woke oppression narratives.
Transcript: https://www.humanprogress.org/wilfred-reilly-the-human-progress-podcast-ep-17-transcript/
Wilfred Reilly is an American political scientist. He is an Assistant Professor of Political Science at Kentucky State University. He holds a PhD in Political Science from Southern Illinois University and a law degree from the University of Illinois. Reilly's research focuses on empirical testing of political claims.
Chelsea Follett is the managing editor of HumanProgress.org, a project of the Cato Institute that seeks to educate the public on the global improvements in well‐being by providing free empirical data on long‐term developments. Learn more: https://www.cato.org/people/chelsea-follett

Nov 17, 2021 • 52min
Madeleine Kearns: Eco-Anxiety and Falling Birth Rates || The Human Progress Podcast Ep.16
British journalist Madeleine Kearns joins Chelsea Follett to discuss misplaced eco-anxiety's effect on birth rates and why some couples feel they need to choose between parenthood and the planet.
Transcript: https://www.humanprogress.org/madeleine-kearns-the-human-progress-podcast-ep-16-transcript/
Madeleine Kearns is from Glasgow, Scotland. She is a staff writer at National Review and a contributor to The Spectator. She has written for The Wall Street Journal, The Daily Telegraph, The Daily Mail, and many other outlets and often appears on the BBC. She has a bachelor’s degree in English from the University of St. Andrews, a postgraduate diploma in Education from the University of Glasgow, and a master’s degree in Journalism from New York University. She also writes and performs music. Learn more: https://madeleinekearns.com/
Chelsea Follett is the managing editor of HumanProgress.org, a project of the Cato Institute that seeks to educate the public on the global improvements in well‐being by providing free empirical data on long‐term developments.
Learn more: https://www.cato.org/people/chelsea-follett

Nov 5, 2021 • 49min
Mustafa Akyol: A liberal vision of Islam || The Human Progress Podcast Ep.15
Cato scholar Mustafa Akyol joins Chelsea Follett to discuss Islam's lost liberal tradition and why Muslims should reform the Sharia.
Transcript: https://www.humanprogress.org/mustafa-akyol-the-human-progress-podcast-ep-15-transcript/
Mustafa Akyol is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute’s Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity, where he focuses on the intersection of public policy, Islam, and modernity. Since 2013, he has also been a contributing opinion writer for the New York Times, covering politics and religion in the Muslim world.
Chelsea Follett is the managing editor of HumanProgress.org, a project of the Cato Institute that seeks to educate the public on the global improvements in well‐being by providing free empirical data on long‐term developments.

Oct 22, 2021 • 1h 5min
Terence Kealey: Research and development || The Human Progress Podcast Ep.14
British biochemist Terence Kealey joins Marian Tupy to discuss the origins of innovation and how to sustain it into the future.
Transcript: https://www.humanprogress.org/terence-kealey-the-human-progress-podcast-ep-14-transcript/
Terence Kealey is a professor of clinical biochemistry at the University of Buckingham in the United Kingdom, where he served as vice chancellor until 2014. Learn more: https://www.cato.org/people/terence-kealey
Marian L. Tupy is the editor of HumanProgress.org, a senior fellow at the Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity, and coauthor of The Simon Project. He specializes in globalization and global well‐being and politics and economics of Europe and Southern Africa.
Learn more: https://www.cato.org/people/marian-l-tupy

Oct 7, 2021 • 56min
John Constable: Global warming and energy policy || The Human Progress Podcast Ep.13
Marian Tupy and John Constable discuss energy policy failure in the UK and the problems with the green agenda.
Transcript: https://www.humanprogress.org/john-constable-the-human-progress-podcast-ep-13-transcript/
John Constable is a British energy analyst and the GWPF’s energy editor. Amongst his many energy-related publications are The Green Mirage: Why the low carbon economy may be further off than we think (Civitas: London, 2011), Energy Policy and Consumer Hardship (REF: London, 2011), and Shortfall, Rebound, Backfire: Can we rely on energy efficiency to offset climate policy costs? (REF: London, 2012).
Learn more: https://www.thegwpf.org/john-constable-joins-gwpfs-academic-advisory-council/
Marian L. Tupy is the editor of HumanProgress.org, a senior fellow at the Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity, and coauthor of The Simon Project. He specializes in globalization and global well‐being and politics and economics of Europe and Southern Africa.
Learn more: https://www.cato.org/people/marian-l-tupy
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Sep 24, 2021 • 1h 5min
Douglas Carswell: Threats to the Enlightenment || The Human Progress Podcast Ep.12
Marian Tupy and Douglas Carswell discuss Brexit, Covid protectionism, and the danger of "Woke" ideology.
Transcript: https://www.humanprogress.org/douglas-carswell-the-human-progress-podcast-ep-12-transcript/
Critics of Brexit often characterize it as a pessimistic and protectionist movement. Carswell argues the opposite–that Brexit was a move towards free trade, self-determination, and internationalism.
A Member of Parliament in Britain for twelve years, Douglas was re-elected every time he stood, and in 2014 achieved one of the largest swings in any election in British history. Douglas co-founded Vote Leave, the official campaign that won the Brexit referendum in Britain. Instrumental in helping ensure that a Brexit referendum was held and won, he switched parties and forced a by-election to help put the issue at the top of the political agenda. Douglas has served as an advisor to the UK government on trade as a non-executive director at the Department of International Trade. He believes that free trade helps drive human progress. Personally inspired by Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and Milton Friedman when growing up, Douglas is knowledgeable and passionate about free-markets and individual liberty. He is the author of four books, as well as numerous papers and articles for leading free market think tanks. A Fellow of the John Locke Institute, Douglas sits on the Advisory Council of one of Britain’s leading think tanks, the Institute of Economic Affairs, which has published works by no less than twelve Nobel Prize laureates. Douglas received a BA (Hons) degree in history at the University of East Anglia, before reading for his Masters’ degree at King’s College, University of London.
Learn more: https://mspolicy.org/our-story/
Marian L. Tupy is the editor of HumanProgress.org, a senior fellow at the Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity, and coauthor of The Simon Project. He specializes in globalization and global well‐being and politics and economics of Europe and Southern Africa.
Learn more: https://www.cato.org/people/marian-l-tupy

Sep 8, 2021 • 1h 9min
The State of Africa with Michela Wrong || The Human Progress Podcast Ep. 11
Renowned author and journalist Michela Wrong outlines the problems facing Africa and the reasons to be hopeful about the continent's future.
Transcript: https://www.humanprogress.org/michela-wrong-the-human-progress-podcast-ep-11-transcript/
A powerful investigation into a grisly political murder and the authoritarian regime behind it: Do Not Disturb upends the narrative that Rwanda sold the world after one of the deadliest genocides of the twentieth century.
We think we know the story of Africa’s Great Lakes region. Following the Rwandan genocide, an idealistic group of young rebels overthrew the brutal regime in Kigali, ushering in an era of peace and stability that made Rwanda the donor darling of the West, winning comparisons with Switzerland and Singapore. But the truth was considerably more sinister.
Vividly sourcing her story with direct testimony from key participants, Wrong uses the story of the murder of Patrick Karegeya, once Rwanda’s head of external intelligence and a quicksilver operator of supple charm, to paint the portrait of a modern African dictatorship created in the chilling likeness of Paul Kagame, the president who sanctioned his former friend’s assassination.
Book: https://www.amazon.com/Do-Not-Disturb-Political-African/dp/1610398424
Half British, half Italian, Michela Wrong has spent nearly two decades writing about Africa. As a Reuters correspondent based in first Cote d'Ivoire and former Zaire, she covered the turbulent events of the mid 1990s, including the fall of Mobutu Sese Seko and Rwanda's post-genocide period. She then moved to Kenya, where she became Africa correspondent for the Financial Times. In 2000 she published her first non-fiction book, "In the Footsteps of Mr Kurtz", the story of Mobutu. Her second non-fiction work, "I Didn't Do it for You", focused on the Red Sea nation of Eritrea. Her third, "It's Our Turn to Eat", tracked the story of Kenyan whistleblower John Githongo. "Borderlines", set in a fictional country in the Horn of Africa with a fiercely-disputed border, marked a move into fiction. "Do Not Disturb", which came out in 2021, is a scathing assessment of Rwanda under President Paul Kagame. She lives in London. Learn more: http://michelawrong.com/books/
Marian L. Tupy is the editor of HumanProgress.org, a senior fellow at the Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity, and coauthor of The Simon Project. He specializes in globalization and global well‐being and politics and economics of Europe and Southern Africa.
Learn more: https://www.cato.org/people/marian-l-tupy
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