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You spend so much time on work, why accept the status quo, when there are ways to do it better? Get expert advice, research and hacks that will crush your inertia.
Join Lisa Leong and other This Working Lifers as we experiment and explore the latest in the world of work.
We cover policy issues, like hybrid workplaces and remote work, employee wellbeing and organisational culture, the use of AI, employee surveillance, employee engagement, diversity and inclusion. We talk about progress on wider issues that relate to work, like work life balance, organisational change, restructures, and casualisation. On This Working Life our focus is on everything related to the people in a workplace too, including culture, individual experiences, performance management and career advice.
Join Lisa Leong and other This Working Lifers as we experiment and explore the latest in the world of work.
We cover policy issues, like hybrid workplaces and remote work, employee wellbeing and organisational culture, the use of AI, employee surveillance, employee engagement, diversity and inclusion. We talk about progress on wider issues that relate to work, like work life balance, organisational change, restructures, and casualisation. On This Working Life our focus is on everything related to the people in a workplace too, including culture, individual experiences, performance management and career advice.
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Apr 25, 2021 • 25min
The Return Part 2: hitting the pandemic wall
As many of us head back into the office - at least some of the time - after a year at home, it’s a pretty big psychological shift. How are you coping?We delve into how best to manage this transition despite feeling like we have run headlong into the pandemic wall.And we hear what it takes for a team to be successful in hybrid work from the woman who coined the term - psychological safety.GUESTS:Michelle Morrison, organisational psychologist who is coaching and running programs for leaders facilitating their own and their employees return to work. Amy Edmondson, professor of leadership and management at Harvard Business School. Amy's book is The Fearless Organisation: Creating Psychological Safety in the Workplace for Learning, Innovation and Growth.If you missed part one of The Return where we learn how to ace hybrid and creating a third space listen here.Producer: Maria Tickle

Apr 18, 2021 • 25min
The Return Part 1: How to ace hybrid and the “third space”
So your boss or HR has emailed you, and in no uncertain terms it’s time to head back into the office. How do you feel? Elated at the prospect of being near your colleagues or deflated at the prospect of putting on pants with an actual waistband and an hour each way on the train. Or both?According to Professor Tsedal Neeley from Harvard Business School employers may have a battle on their hands to turn the ship on remote work. And peak performance researcher Dr Adam Fraser explains how rituals around a “third space” can help us make the transition back to the office a little easier.Tsedal’s book, Remote Work Revolution.Adam’s book, The Third Space.Do you have the right to work from home? from our sister show Life MattersProducer: Maria Tickle

Apr 11, 2021 • 25min
How to cut through the red tape to bring common sense back into your workplace
Have you ever sat at work thinking “Houston we have a problem, common sense has left the room!”?Brand and culture transformation expert Martin Lindstrom, certainly has. He walks us through how to bring common sense back into our workplaces by establishing what he calls a “ministry of common sense”. And Martin has walked the talk - he has advised multinationals including Pepsi, Google, Burger King and Swiss Air but he started this movement in what traditionally has been a bastion of bureaucracy, banks.Martin’s book: Ministry of Common Sense: How to Eliminate Bureaucratic Red Tape, Bad Excuses and Corporate Bullshit.Producer: Maria Tickle

Apr 4, 2021 • 25min
Show me the money, but will it make me happy at work?
As the saying goes “money can’t buy happiness”, but does getting paid more make us happier and more motivated at work? And if not, what does? And why is it still such a taboo topic? We also hear negotiation strategies to use with your boss and what you need to do to stay employable after 40.GUESTS: Professor Adrian Furnham, author of The New Psychology of Money (and about 100 other books)Adjunct professor at BI Norwegian Business School and professor at University College London.Emily Barnes, mediatorKate McCallum, financial advisor and co-author of The Joy of Money.(This show was first broadcast on Radio National on November 30, 2020.)Producer: Maria Tickle

Mar 28, 2021 • 26min
Stop the silent career killer, managing menopause at work
Whether you are male or female, if you work with a woman over 40, menopause matters to you. And if you are a woman over 40 understanding what’s happening to your mind and body during “the change” is absolutely crucial.As you'll hear many women, including those at the top of the game, are leaving careers they love because of poor management around menopause.We dive deep into a topic that is steeped in silence, suffering and stigma to start this important conversation.

Mar 21, 2021 • 25min
The best in the business share what it takes to be backable
Some people seem to get all the breaks, new gigs, interesting and challenging projects, or support for their business idea. Why? What is so special about them?After being featured in a New York Times article about failure, Suneel Gupta decided things needed to change in his career and this is the question he set out to answer. Suneel interviewed Hollywood film producers, venture capitalists, military leaders and executives at iconic companies and he shares what he learned.We also hear from Australian backers what they look for when they are deciding who and what to fund.And spoiler alert, the key to being backable is not charisma.GUESTS: Suneel Gupta, co-author of Backable: The Surprising Truth Behind What Makes People Take a Chance on You.Julie Demsey, startup advisor and investorNick Peace,VP corporate and investments at Planet InnovationMatt Allen, CEO Tractor VenturesProducer: Maria Tickle

Mar 14, 2021 • 25min
Why you need a portfolio career, even if you have a good job
Dorie Clark, sought after New York-based executive coach and consultant, warns it’s crucial to build a portfolio career - where you have multiple revenue streams - even if you have a full-time job. Recorded live at Pausefest 2021 Dorie explains how this model saved her in 2020 when hundreds of thousands of dollars income dried up almost overnight. She shares her blueprint for professional independence, including insights and advice on becoming a recognised expert, monetising your expertise, and extending your reach and impact online. Dorie has been recognized as #1 Communication Coach in the world, one of the top 50 business thinkers in the world and she’s worked with clients such as Google, Microsoft, and the World Bank.She’s written numerous books including best sellers Standout and Entrepreneurial You and her next book The Long Game comes out in September this year.We also hear from Madeleine Grummet (tech entrepreneur and investor Future Amp, girledworld) and Darren Milo (D Milo Consulting, Beaton) on how they have built their own portfolio careers.And then we follow up our episode on Harnessing humour as a superpower at work with Naomi Bagdonas and Jennifer Aaker from Stanford Graduate School of Business with some Aussie research. Dr David Cheng from ANU joins us to explore how humour interacts with power, conflict and persistence at work. Producer: Maria Tickle

Mar 7, 2021 • 25min
Harnessing humour as a superpower at work
“A group of behavioural scientists walk into a bar…” Sounds like the start of a joke right - it’s not. Those ten people were gathering to perform sketch comedy and two of them ended up researching the hypothesis that humour is serious business and that it is vastly underleveraged in most workplaces today. Dr Jennifer Aaker and Naomi Bagdonas now teach the course Humor: Serious Business at the Stanford Graduate School of Business and have co-authored the book Humor, Seriously: why humor is a secret weapon in business and life.They explain what levity does to our brains and how anyone can harness it and use it skilfully at work.Can you spot the finger in the photo? Now that's funny.What is your humour type? Here is the quiz.(This program first aired on Radio National on Monday November 2, 2020.)Producer: Maria Tickle

Feb 28, 2021 • 25min
Can Google teach us empathy?
Founder of Google's Empathy Lab, Danielle Krettek, believes that using empathy at work results in happier staff, and greater productivity.Minter Dial, author of Heartificial Empathy thinks it might even help you fall in love!Empathy has become the business world’s new secret sauce – but can it be taught to a chat bot? Producer: Maria Tickle

Feb 21, 2021 • 27min
The power of knowing what you don't know
Stay curious, find comfort in being wrong and create a "challenge circle" of people who actively challenge your beliefs - these are all steps towards knowing what you don't know according to Adam Grant.And he argues in today's rapidly changing work environment questioning your beliefs, rethinking and even unlearning are key skills.Adam is an organisational psychologist and professor at The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. His research focuses on generosity, motivation and meaningful work. And I imagine that there are few senior managers who don’t have at least one of his New York Times best-selling books on their shelves.His new is book Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don't Know in which he argues "if knowledge is power, knowing what we don't know is wisdom".Producer: Maria Tickle