
Deep Dive with Shawn
Welcome to Deep Dive, the podcast where politics, history, and queer lives intersect in engaging, in-depth conversations. I'm Dr. Shawn C. Fettig, a political scientist, and I've crafted this show to go beyond the headlines, diving into the heart of critical issues with authors, researchers, activists, and politicians. Forget surface-level analysis; we're here for the real stories, the hidden layers, and the nuanced discussions that matter.Join me as we explore the intricate world of governance, democracy, and global stability. Expect empathy, unique perspectives, and thought-provoking dialogue—no punditry, just genuine insights.Ready to dive in? Catch us on your favorite podcast platform, and don't forget to follow the conversation:Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/deepdivewithshawn.bsky.socialYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjZ9grY02HMCUR34qaWhNmQGot thoughts? Questions? We'd love to hear from you! Drop us a line at deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com."Deep Dive" - Because the most important conversations happen below the surface.
Latest episodes

May 11, 2025 • 34min
Order in the Court: Is the Judiciary in Crisis Under This Trump Presidency? (w/ Professor Tara Grove)
American democracy faces a defining challenge as the judiciary—our system's intended steady hand—confronts unprecedented attacks from a presidency openly questioning its legitimacy. Trump's declaration that he can ignore Supreme Court rulings represents more than partisan rancor; it threatens constitutional governance itself.Professor Tara Grove joins the pod and offers critical perspective by examining historical confrontations between courts and presidents. While Lincoln tested judicial authority during the Civil War and FDR privately threatened to defy the Supreme Court during WWII, today's explicit challenges to judicial legitimacy feel distinctly dangerous. When Roosevelt informed his attorney general that Nazi saboteurs would not be released regardless of court rulings, this knowledge influenced justices to approve military tribunals rather than risk institutional humiliation. Similarly, when implementing Brown v. Board of Education, the Supreme Court adopted the notoriously weak "all deliberate speed" standard specifically because justices feared southern states would openly defy stronger mandates.These historical examples reveal the judiciary's fundamental vulnerability—courts possess neither budget authority nor enforcement powers, only judgment. Their effectiveness depends entirely on other branches' willingness to comply with rulings. The post-Civil Rights era established a crucial norm of compliance that Trump now threatens to unravel. His administration has already demonstrated selective compliance, ignoring the TikTok ban and twisting itself into knots to justify not returning Bimbo Abrebo Garcia from El Salvador despite court orders.As the Court prepares to rule on birthright citizenship, religious education funding, trans rights, and redistricting, justices must weigh not just legal principles but whether their decisions will maintain institutional credibility if openly defied. This precarious position raises profound questions: Are we witnessing democracy's unraveling or just another challenging chapter in America's constitutional experiment? And what responsibility do citizens bear in reinforcing judicial authority through our own respect for constitutional norms?-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

May 4, 2025 • 57min
The Bible Belt Tightens: When Theology Becomes Policy (w/ Matthew Vines)
Through his work with the Reformation Project, and his book God and the Gay Christian, Matthew Vines captures the essence of a journey shared by millions managing the complex intersection of faith and sexual identity.In a political climate where White Christian Nationalism increasingly scapegoats LGBTQ people for societal ills, Vines offers something revolutionary: a thoughtful framework for understanding Scripture that upholds its authority while making room for affirming theology. Through meticulous examination of historical context, he demonstrates how the same-sex behaviors condemned in Scripture were fundamentally different from the loving, committed relationships we recognize today.Drawing fascinating parallels to how Christians reinterpreted biblical teachings on slavery and charging interest, Vines shows how contextual understanding isn't compromising faith—it's deepening it. "The reason same-sex behaviors were condemned in Scripture are very different than the types of same-sex relationships we're talking about today," he explains. We discuss Pope Francis's legacy of inclusion and the challenges within evangelicalism, where reform seems simultaneously impossible and inevitable. Vines suggests that effective change comes not through flashy redesigns of church with pride flags everywhere, but through communities that fully include LGBTQ people while keeping "the main thing the main thing"—following Jesus.-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

Apr 27, 2025 • 58min
The Final Bulwark Against Authoritarianism: Free Elections and the Courts (w/ Dr. Laura Gamboa)
America stands at a democratic crossroads, facing threats not from invasion or coup, but from methodical dismantling from within. This is the reality: federal agencies are gutted, political opponents are targeted, judges are being arrested for not advancing Trump's agenda, and courts are delegitimized with alarming speed.Dr. Laura Gamboa, democracy expert from Notre Dame University, and author of the book Resisting Backsliding: Opposition Strategies against the Erosion of Democracy, joins the pod and brings critical insight from her studies of democratic backsliding across Latin America. What makes our current crisis particularly insidious is how democratic institutions themselves become weapons against democracy. Unlike military coups, this erosion happens gradually enough that many citizens fail to recognize the danger until it's too late.The courts represent our most significant remaining bulwark, but they cannot stand alone. Gamboa explains how Colombia's constitutional court successfully blocked President Uribe's authoritarian ambitions – but only because they received visible public support and political allies in Congress. When judges feel abandoned, as happened in Venezuela, they become reluctant to oppose even clearly unconstitutional power grabs.For resistance to succeed, several strategies prove essential: protests need focused goals rather than diffuse expressions of discontent; democracy defenders must build coalitions beyond partisan lines; and Americans should learn from countries that have successfully resisted democratic erosion rather than reinventing strategies. Dr. Gamboa outlines some innovative tactics beyond traditional demonstrations that we need to start considering, particularly focused on protecting electoral integrity.The window for action is narrowing daily. Once courts are fully co-opted and election administration compromised, reversing democratic decline becomes exponentially harder. -------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

Apr 20, 2025 • 1h 14min
Trump's America: The End of Free Speech and a Free Press (w/ Flemming Rose)
Freedom of expression stands as democracy's most essential and most vulnerable foundation. In this conversation, Danish journalist and author Flemming Rose shares profound insights from his experience at the center of the 2005 Muhammad cartoons controversy that sparked global protests and death threats.Rose offers a surprising revelation: free speech is fundamentally unnatural. "Free speech is a consequence not of culture, not of nature," he explains. "The natural inclination among human beings is not to accept free speech." This counterintuitive truth helps explain why even those who claim to champion free expression often only support it for views they find agreeable—a contradiction that becomes increasingly problematic in multicultural societies.We discuss how the publication of twelve cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad wasn't simply an isolated incident but emerged from an ongoing national debate about immigration, integration, and self-censorship. Most alarmingly, Rose identifies a global "freedom recession" affecting even established Western democracies. As societies become more diverse and face increasing instability, governments frequently respond by imposing greater restrictions on expression—a trend accelerated by terrorist threats, wars, and the chaotic information landscape of social media. Despite this bleak assessment, however, Rose maintains some hope, noting that throughout history, free speech has served as the primary tool for marginalized groups fighting for equality.For anyone concerned about the future of democracy, especially under this second Trump presidency, this episode offers essential context for understanding the delicate balance between free expression and social cohesion. As authoritarian impulses gain strength worldwide, including in the United States, Rose reminds us why we must actively cultivate tolerance—that rare capacity to live peacefully alongside ideas we find objectionable without resorting to suppression or violence.Recommended:The Tyranny of Silence - Flemming RoseAfter America Podcast Series-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

Apr 13, 2025 • 53min
The Great Party Shake-Up: What Happens When Both Parties Lose Their Way? (w/ Dr. Hans Noel)
American democracy is crumbling. The Republican Party, once defined by traditional conservatism, has transformed into a vehicle for Trumpism, while Democrats struggle to maintain their coalition after unexpected losses. Dr. Hans Noel, Associate Professor of Government at Georgetown University, and co-author of the book Political Parties, joins the pod to explain the complex forces reshaping our political landscape.According to Dr. Noel, while we're not experiencing a complete political realignment, significant shifts are occurring beneath the surface. The Republican Party hasn't abandoned conservative principles but has dramatically changed its emphasis - elevating immigration concerns and national identity while making loyalty to Trump personally a defining characteristic. Meanwhile, Democrats face their own identity crisis as working-class voters, once their reliable base, become increasingly divided.Gender matters here - and is critical dimension in this political transformation. Trump's aggressive masculinity appeals strongly to male voters across demographic groups, while Democrats attempt to counter with an alternative vision centered on care and inclusivity. This represents not merely an electoral calculation but a genuine values difference between the parties.The consequences for democracy are profound. When citizens become so frustrated with politics that they're willing to abandon basic democratic principles, the entire system becomes vulnerable. Dr. Noel maintains cautious optimism about democracy's long-term resilience but acknowledges the medium-term outlook appears concerning: "Long-term, Germany is a thriving democracy that went through a very tough period. In the medium term, including the rest of my lifetime, things could be really ugly."-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

Apr 6, 2025 • 52min
Never America's 51st State: The Trump Effect on Canadian Politics (w/ Dr. Andre Lecours)
When Canada's snap election was called for April 28th, few could have predicted how dramatically the political landscape would shift. What started as a predictable contest with Conservatives comfortably ahead has transformed into a national referendum on sovereignty and resilience in the face of unprecedented threats from south of the border.Donald Trump's sudden targeting of Canada with punishing tariffs and provocative statements about making Canada "the 51st state" has upended conventional political wisdom. Prime Minister Mark Carney and Conservative challenger Pierre Poilievre now find themselves battling over who can best protect Canadian interests against an increasingly hostile neighbor.In this episode, Dr. André Lecours, professor at the University of Ottawa and expert on Canadian nationalism, joins the pod to discuss how Trump has become "the single most important person" in Canada's election. We delve into the difficult position of Canada's Conservative Party, which historically sympathized with Republicans but now faces a Republican president attacking Canada directly. Can a party that once emulated Trump's style now effectively oppose him?Dr. Lecours offers unique insights into Canada's democratic safeguards – from its parliamentary system to its decentralized federalism – that provide resilience against democratic backsliding. We examine how Canadian provinces are responding to Trump's tariffs, whether Canadians distinguish between the US government and American people, and the long-term implications for North America and the global order.As Canada faces a dramatically changed political landscape, the election outcome will determine whether it pursues greater self-sufficiency, diversifies international partnerships, or finds a new way to manage its vital but volatile relationship with the United States. Whatever Canada decides, the comfortable assumptions that have guided its foreign policy for generations are being fundamentally reassessed.-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

Mar 30, 2025 • 50min
The Politically Homeless Majority: How Independents Could Save Democracy (w/ Dr. Lura Forcum)
America's political divisions seem insurmountable, yet beneath the surface lies a compelling counternarrative: the moderate middle hasn't disappeared—it's just been silenced. In this episode, Dr. Lura Forcum, president of the Independent Center, to discuss the surprising vitality of centrist politics (and centrist voters) in a polarized age.The numbers tell an unexpected story. With 35% of Americans identifying as moderate (compared to 36% conservative and 26% liberal), and nearly half of voters calling themselves independents, the politically homeless constitute a sleeping giant in American politics. Research from the Independent Center reveals these voters often hold nuanced positions that transcend partisan binaries—typically leaning left on social issues while favoring conservative economic approaches.We discuss the psychology driving our political dysfunction and Dr. Forcum explains how we've transformed political parties from governing partners into tribal identities—"in-groups" we cooperate with and "out-groups" we compete against. "Democracy wasn't designed for this kind of outgroup behavior," she says. When we view opposing parties as enemies rather than collaborators, we are attacking democracy's essential foundation.Perhaps most hopeful is Dr. Forcum's observation that local politics still functions because it demands cooperation: "Trash needs collecting, roads need paving—these necessities force us to work together." This pragmatic approach to governance closely resembles what independent voters want nationally. By building a stronger independent identity and embracing political participation beyond partisan warfare, these moderate voters might hold the key to breaking America's political deadlock.-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

Mar 23, 2025 • 23min
Retaking the House (and Democracy) with Florida House Candidate Josh Weil
Josh Weil, Democratic candidate for Florida's 6th Congressional District, joins Deep Dive to discuss what could be one of the most consequential special elections in American history. A public school teacher and single father, Weil explains why his April 1st race represents more than just a local contest – it's potentially the first domino in Democrats' path to regaining control of the House.With Republicans currently holding the slimmest House majority in historical memory, the stakes couldn't be higher. Weil articulates how flipping a seat that went Republican by 32 points would send shockwaves through the GOP, demonstrating that there is no job security from Donald Trump's endorsement. This message could fundamentally alter how Republican representatives approach their roles, forcing them to be more responsive to constituents rather than blindly following party leadership.What makes Weil's campaign particularly fascinating is his embrace of progressive policies in a traditionally conservative district. He challenges conventional wisdom about Democratic messaging, arguing that the party has failed in messaging for over a decade while offering concrete examples of missed opportunities to connect with working-class voters. Weil doesn't hold back criticism of his own party, particularly Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer's inability to extract concessions during recent negotiations, demonstrating his commitment to honest assessment over partisan loyalty.The conversation weaves between local campaign strategy and national implications, highlighting how special elections occurring outside the typical cycle allow candidates to focus more directly on constituent concerns. As Weil puts it, drawing from his 13 years teaching in Title I schools.Whether you're in Florida's 6th district or simply concerned about the future of American democracy, this episode provides critical context for understanding what's at stake on April 1st.Josh Weil for CongressGay Valimont for CongressVote in Florida-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

Mar 16, 2025 • 52min
From Belfast to Boston: Can the Troubles Happen Here? (Featuring Oisin Feeney)
In the United States, it's difficult to imagine how civil violence could break out in the United States - how civic and political breakdown could actually manifest in our neighborhoods. The Troubles - the conflict that tore Northern Ireland apart for decades - offer a stark warning for America's increasingly polarized society. In this episode, Oisin Feeney, creator of the acclaimed "The Troubles" podcast, walks us through how a society descended from peaceful civil rights protests into thirty years of paramilitary violence, bombings, and assassinations.This conversation helps explain how ordinary communities became battlegrounds. Feeney explains how Catholic nationalists and Protestant unionists retreated to extremes when moderate voices could no longer be heard, and how paramilitaries filled the vacuum when people lost faith in government institutions.The parallels to America's current situation are impossible to ignore. From the rise of paramilitary-adjacent groups to increasing political violence, from deep economic inequality to the drowning out of moderate voices, the warning signs are flashing. Feeney discusses how violence becomes normalized, how communities cope with prolonged conflict, and what the difficult peace process in Northern Ireland can teach us about both the fragility and resilience of democratic societies.The lesson? Societies can fracture quickly, but rebuilding takes generations. For Americans concerned about our democratic future, this conversation offers critical perspective on what's at stake and what we must protect before it's too late.-------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock

Mar 9, 2025 • 57min
Ground Control: How Trump’s Territorial Ambitions Threaten Global Stability (w/ Dr. Michael Albertus)
Dr. Michael Albertus, professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, and author of the book Land Power: Who Has It, Who Doesn't, and How That Determines the Fate of Societies, as well as the recent Foreign Affairs article The Coming Age of Territorial Expansion, joins the pod to discuss the history of land power, land owernship, territorial ambitions and their larger implications on global politics and socio-economic disparity. As Donald Trump advocates for claims on territories like Greenland, Canada, and parts of Panama, we question the ramifications of such rhetoric on international relations and American democracy.We trace the colonial roots that continue to influence income inequality and social mobility across America, and encourage listeners to ponder the potential crises triggered by climate change-induced migrations that may force us to reconsider land ethics. Furthermore, Dr. Albertus discusses how our current understanding of land ownership and public policy may need re-evaluation to promote equity and shared resources, engaging directly with the delicate balance between private land investment and collective societal benefit. By examining this concept of land power, and these contemporary issues facing America with age-old conflicts over land, power, and resources, Dr. Albertus urges us to think critically about the paths we pursue to safeguard our democracy against the backdrop of shifting global realities. -------------------------Follow Deep Dive:BlueskyYouTube Email: deepdivewithshawn@gmail.com Music: Majestic Earth - Joystock