
Lighter Darker: The ILM Podcast
Welcome to Lighter Darker: The ILM Podcast, where we focus on the creative process of filmmaking and the art of visual storytelling. Co-hosted by Rob Bredow & Todd Vaziri, and produced by Jenny Ely, join us as we chat with top filmmakers, artists and innovators about their craft, careers, and the collaborative process of bringing stories to life.
Latest episodes

Jan 14, 2025 • 59min
010 - Shaping Characters for Tomorrow with Amy Beth Christenson
ILM Art Director Amy Beth Christenson (Transformers One, Star Wars Rebels) discusses the complexities and pure joy of working with established Star Wars and Transformers characters while introducing new elements for today’s audiences. Amy shares stories of adapting her portfolio to catch the attention of recruiters and highlights from her 25 years with Lucasfilm and ILM.Chapter Markers[00:00:00] Intro[00:02:06] Questions from the Mailbag[00:18:51] Rejection Letters[00:30:10] Shaping Characters for Tomorrow [00:49:59] The Martini[00:58:19] OutroEpisode Links
Amy Beth Christenson - IMDb
Transformers One (2024) - IMDb
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Star Wars: Resistance (TV Series 2018–2020) - IMDb
Joseph Christian Leyendecker | Artnet
The MartiniTodd - Apple Mac MiniAmy - BrickLinkStudio Download [BrickLink]Jenny - Tobin's Spirit Guide by Magnoli PropsRob - Music by John Williams (2024) - IMDbFollow Usilm.com | YouTube | Instagram | Threads | X | Facebook | LinkedIn Rob Bredow.com or on InstagramTodd VaziriJenny Ely on InstagramEmail us at lighterdarker@ilm.comTranscript https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/010-shaping-characters-for-tomorrow-with-amy-beth-christenson/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dec 31, 2024 • 56min
009 - Bonus Episode 2024 Wrap
Rob, Todd and Jenny share their own rejection letters and answer some lingering questions from the mailbag. Todd corrects another VFX myth in Misinformation Corner. The team shares their favorite things from the year as we say farewell to 2024 in this bonus episode of Lighter Darker!Chapter Markers[00:00:00] Intro[00:01:19] Mailbag[00:07:41] Misinformation Corner[00:22:30] Rejection Letters[00:48:33] The Martini[00:54:15] OutroEpisode Links
Skeleton Crew (TV Series 2024– ) - IMDb
Director Jake Schreier on the set of Skeleton Crew
Cadrage Director's Viewfinder
The Mandalorian (TV Series 2019– ) - IMDb
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016) - IMDb
Charmaine Chan - IMDb
Right Up Our Alley - FPV Drone Fly Through
FXRant: "Skeleton Crew", Neel and Misinformation
One Star Wars: Skeleton Crew Character Is A Stunning Blend Of Incredible Visual Effects - SlashFilm
The MartiniTodd - 2024 Total Eclipse: Where & When - NASA ScienceJenny - Podcast Episodes Archive | Industrial Light & MagicRob - EPAuto 12V DC Portable Air Compressor Pump, Digital Tire InflatorFollow Usilm.com | YouTube | Instagram | Threads | X | Facebook | LinkedIn Rob Bredow.com or on InstagramTodd VaziriJenny Ely on InstagramEmail us at lighterdarker@ilm.comTranscript https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/009-bonus-episode-2024-wrap/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dec 10, 2024 • 57min
008 - The Magic of Film with Dean Cundey
Join Dean Cundey, an award-winning cinematographer behind classics like *Halloween* and *Jurassic Park*, as he shares insights into his illustrious career. He discusses the transformative power of visual effects in film and how low-budget projects can spark creativity. Hear anecdotes about Roger Corman's mentorship influence on budding filmmakers. Cundey also reflects on the magic of filmmaking, revealing how technology has democratized the craft. Dive into his behind-the-scenes stories that shaped modern cinema!

Nov 26, 2024 • 1h
007 - Glicked: Worldbuilding in Wicked and Gladiator II
This week, we delve into the world building techniques behind two of the year's most anticipated films: Gladiator II and Wicked. VFX Producer Ed Randolph (Gladiator II) and VFX Supervisor Anthony Smith (Wicked) give us behind-the-scenes stories of building these worlds and share insights into some of their favorite shots from their impressive careers.Chapter Markers[00:00:10] Intro[00:03:07] Questions from the Mailbag[00:17:42] One Final and One CBB[00:28:15] Worldbuilding in WIcked and Gladiator II[00:49:13] The Martini[00:58:30] OutroEpisode Links
Wicked (2024) - IMDb
Gladiator II (2024) - IMDb
Edward Randolph - IMDb
Anthony Smith - IMDb
Color Decision List Explained - Lowepost
Ready Player One (2018) - IMDb
Spectre (2015) - IMDb
Gravity (2013) - IMDb
Sherlock Holmes (2009) - IMDb
The Martini Todd - The Wild Robot (2024) - IMDbRobot Dreams (2023) - IMDbEd - Wicked: Tiny Desk ConcertThe Remarkable Life of Ibelin (2024) - IMDbAnthony - Old Masters AcademyJenny - A Smoky Mountain Christmas (TV Movie 1986) - IMDb A Smoky Mountain Christmas (1986 TV Movie, 2022 HD Circle TV Broadcast Edit)Rob - Clarkson's Farm (TV Series 2021– ) - IMDbFollow Usilm.com | YouTube | Instagram | Threads | X | Facebook | LinkedIn Rob Bredow.com or on InstagramTodd VaziriJenny Ely on InstagramEmail us at lighterdarker@ilm.comTranscript https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/ep-007-worldbuilding-in-wicked-and-gladiator-ii/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 12, 2024 • 52min
006 - Ultraman: Rising with Shannon Tindle and Hayden Jones
Director Shannon Tindle (Kubo and the Two Strings, Lost Ollie) and VFX supervisor Hayden Jones join us to discuss the role of empathy in animation. We talk about Tindle’s latest film, Ultraman: Rising as well as the importance of collaboration and infusing personal experiences into characters and storytelling.Chapter Markers[00:00:00] Intro[00:03:20] Rejection Letters[00:11:25] Deleted Dreams[00:17:46] Empathy in Animation[00:45:52] The Martini[00:50:33] OutroEpisode Links
Shannon Tindle - IMDb
Hayden Jones - IMDb
Ultraman: Rising (2024) - IMDb
THE HUMAN TARGET #1 | DC
Lost Ollie (TV Mini Series 2022) - IMDb
The MartiniShannon - Hollow Kingdom #1 - Kira Jane BuxtonHayden - Thames & Hudson USA - Book - Anime Architecture: Imagined Worlds and Endless MegacitiesJenny - Luigi's Mansion 2 - HDRob - Welcome to Wrexham (TV Series 2022– ) - IMDbFollow Usilm.com | YouTube | Instagram | Threads | X | Facebook | LinkedIn Rob Bredow.com or on InstagramTodd VaziriJenny Ely on InstagramEmail us at lighterdarker@ilm.comTranscript https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/ep-006-ultraman-rising-with-shannon-tindle-and-hayden-jones/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oct 29, 2024 • 53min
005 - Ghostbusters II with Bill George
For this special Halloween Edition, we flash back to Ghostbusters II with VFX legend Bill George who shares stories from the model shop. We talk with Bill about the evolution of visual effects over his 40-year career.Chapter Markers[00:00:00] Intro[00:03:45] Questions from the mailbag[00:16:20] Lighter Darker - origin of the name[00:19:10] Rejection letters[00:22:28] Ghostbusters II and the evolution of the artist toolbox[00:44:51] The Martini[00:52:19] OutroEpisode Links
Bill George - IMDb
Artist Benton Jew Shares ILM Memories and the Story Behind Lighter Darker
Innerspace (1987) - IMDb
Ghostbusters II (1989) - IMDb
METHOCEL™ Water-Soluble Cellulose Ethers, IFF - ChemPoint.
The MartiniTodd -Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) - IMDbBram Stoker's Dracula (1992) - IMDb Bill - Sasquatch Sunset (2024) - IMDb Paramount + / rent on Amazon PrimeJenny - Halloween: Origins, Meaning & Traditions | HISTORYJenny's Slimer Halloween Costume by Adam J. Ely on IGRob - ScriptnotesFollow Usilm.com | YouTube | Instagram | Threads | X | Facebook | LinkedIn Rob Bredow.com or on InstagramTodd VaziriJenny Ely on InstagramEmail us at lighterdarker@ilm.comTranscript https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/ep-005-ghostbusters-2-with-bill-george/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oct 15, 2024 • 55min
004 - Twisters with Lee Isaac Chung and Ashley Jay Sandberg
Lee Isaac Chung, acclaimed director of films like Minari, and Ashley Jay Sandberg, executive producer of Twisters, dive into the art of balancing science with storytelling. They share captivating behind-the-scenes stories from Twisters, including real-life weather challenges. They reflect on how influential films shaped their careers and the importance of resilience amidst rejection. Nature's role in filmmaking is also explored, revealing how it enhances authenticity and emotion. Their discussion combines humor, industry insights, and a profound love for cinematic storytelling.

Oct 1, 2024 • 51min
003 - Camera and Composition
Beth D'Amato, an experienced digital paint supervisor at ILM, shares her journey into the VFX world. She discusses her favorite camera moves and compositions, highlighting the artistry in films like 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' and 'The Dark Knight.' The hosts clarify basic VFX terms and tackle common industry myths. They also emphasize the importance of mastering artistic skills and the balance between practical effects and CGI, weaving in insightful anecdotes and reminiscences about beloved shows.

Sep 17, 2024 • 41min
002 - Transformers One with Josh Cooley
Josh Cooley, the director behind Toy Story 4 and Transformers One, shares insights into blending humor and heart in animated filmmaking. He humorously recounts his journey from facing rejection to landing an internship at Pixar. The conversation dives into innovative techniques like virtual production and the importance of captivating audiences in sequels. Cooley emphasizes building authentic connections through film and discusses the nostalgic joys tied to the Transformers franchise, all while keeping a lighthearted tone.

Sep 3, 2024 • 44min
001 - The Premiere
Dive into the art of filmmaking as hosts share insights on stunning final shots from iconic films like Star Trek Into Darkness and Solo: A Star Wars Story. Discover the significance of dailies in visual effects production, with tips on making review sessions more efficient and enjoyable. Enjoy nostalgic moments of introducing children to classic cinema, alongside humorous tales from outdated theaters and tech-infused hobbies like an AI-driven bird feeder. It's a delightful blend of creativity, collaboration, and a love for storytelling.