

Afrobility: Africa Tech and Business
Olumide Ogunsanwo and Bankole Makanju
Stories and analyses of African technology companies
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Oct 17, 2021 • 1h 51min
#40: Fawry - How the Egyptian payments platform became one of the largest Tech companies in Africa
Overview: Today, we’re going to talk about Fawry - the Egyptian payments platform. We’ll explore the Fawry story across 6 areas:
Egypt context
Founding and early history
Fundraising & Growth
Product & monetization strategy
Competitive positioning
Overall outlook.
This episode was recorded on October 17, 2021
Companies discussed: Fawry, Egypt National Post Office (ENPO), IFC, Helios Investment Partners, Raya Holding, Technology Development Fund (Ideavelopers), Arab African International Bank, HSBC, Bank of Alexandria (Alexbank), Paymob, Banque Misr, Ebtiikar, Khales, Bee, Masary, Meeza, elmenus & Cashi (alsoug).
Business concepts discussed: Payment Platforms, IPOs, startup incubation, African conglomerates, DFIs (Development Finance Institutions) & FinTech monetization strategy / Personal Finance OS
Conversation highlights:
(01:20) - Fawry context
(04:00) - Egypt context, startups, financial inclusion
(23:59) - Ashraf Sabry background
(29:38) - Fawry founding and early history
(38:15) - Fundraising and early growth
(49:38) - Fawry IPO
(52:40) - Product strategy
(1:14:26) - Monetization strategy
(1:19:30) - Competition in Egypt
(1:27:07) - Olumide’s overall thoughts and outlook
(1:35:45) - Bankole’s overall thoughts and outlook
(1:45:00) - Recommendations and small wins
Olumide’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: Chris Sacca on 20 Minute VC - Wow. Chris Sacca is amazing. I can listen to him talk for hours.
Recommendation: Ben Horowitz - What You Do Is Who You Are. Great book about how to think about the tradeoffs when creating culture in a company. Has some awesome stories.
Recommendation: Acquired episode on Oprah - Spoke about Oprah's legendary story. Wow
Small win: Got ticket to Wizkid show later tonight in Miami. Good times
Bankole’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: Kanye West 2013 interview on Breakfast Club, Wizkid - Anoti & Keychron K2 Mechanical Keyboard
Small win: Had crypto-curious friends over for dinner and now I’m crypto-curious
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Oct 3, 2021 • 1h 56min
#39: BIMA (Milvik) - How the HealthTech company is providing insurance & medical services across emerging markets
Overview: Today, we’re going to talk about BIMA - the HealthTech insurance company. We’ll explore BIMA's story across 6 areas:
African Health care status & context
BIMA Health founding and early history
Fundraising & Growth
Product & monetization strategy
Competitive positioning & potential exit options
Overall outlook.
This episode was recorded on Oct 3, 2021
Companies discussed: BIMA (Milvik), Kinnevik, LeapFrog investments, Allianz X (Allianz Group), Millicom, Digicel, China CreditEase, Jamii, M-Tiba, BlueWave, MicroEnsure & Gates Foundation
Business concepts discussed: HealthTech (Healthcare technology), InsurTech (Insurance Technology), Telco partnership, geographical expansion & Health policy
Conversation highlights:
(00:45) - Why we’re talking about BIMA Health
(05:15) - African Health care context
(05:58) - Insurance context in Africa
(28:58) - Founder background - Gustaf Agartson
(35:40) - Fundraising and early growth
(45:10) - BIMA Health traction- markets, users, etc
(49:50) - Product , go-to-market and monetization strategy
(1:05:38) - Geographical expansion
(1:07:36) - Competition and options for exits, M&A
(1:29:52) - Olumide’s overall thoughts and outlook
(1:37:05) - Bankole’s overall thoughts and outlook
(1:51:04) - Recommendations and small wins
Olumide’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: Vusi Thembekwayo (VT Podcast) episode Wealth & Wande Coal - Ololufe
Small win: Noticed someone cited my MIT thesis on Smartphone Operating systems. Nice
Other content: Life Expectancy stats (World Bank)
Bankole’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: Love Nwantiti by CKay & Everything is a Remix - Drill Sergeant Remix & Business Breakdowns Podcast - Sky Mavis
Small win: Spent last weekend in Atlanta and Memphis visiting friends and family
Other content: Africa Renewal - UN
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Sep 19, 2021 • 1h 58min
#38: 54gene - How the HealthTech platform is building diverse datasets to improve diagnostic and treatment outcomes across Africa
Overview: Today, we’re going to talk about 54gene - the genomics HealthTech company. We’ll explore the 54gene story across 6 areas:
African Health care status & context
54gene early history
Fundraising & Growth
Product & monetization strategy
Competitive positioning & potential exit options
Overall outlook.
This episode was recorded on Sep 19, 2021
Companies discussed: 54gene, llumina, African Centre of Excellence for Genomics of Infectious Diseases, Y Combinator (YC), 50 Years, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Gilead, IMS Health, Broad Institute, Novartis, Cathay AfricInvest, Helium Health & mPharma
Business concepts discussed: Genomics, Capacity development / Local knowledge development, Healthcare technology, Health insurance coverage, commercial biobanks & public policy
Conversation highlights:
(00:54) - Why we’re talking about 54Gene today
(06:25) - Context on Healthcare and Genomics in Africa
(27:02) - 54Gene founding and early history
(34:13) - Fundraising and early growth - Seed, Series A, Series B
(54:15) - Product and monetization strategy
(1:11:00) - 54Gene capacity building
(1:17:00) - Competition in this space, exit opportunities
(1:30:39) - Olumide’s overall thoughts and outlook
(1:42:38) - Bankole’s overall thoughts and outlook
(1:56:03) - Recommendations and small wins
Olumide’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: Afridigest newsletter (by Emeka Ajene) Awesome and well done. Combines threads from multiple angles. Fabulous.
Recommendation: Frontier FinTech Newsletter (by Samora Kariouki) So thorough and detailed. Love it.
Recommendation: Kate Nash - Foundations. So good
Small win: Galaxy Buds 2 - Small, ANC (Active Noise Cancellation), great battery life, good software controls
Other content: Boom - Supersonic Passenger Airplanes
Bankole’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: Slow Down - King Promise, Code Breakers by Walter Isaacson & Sarah Tavel on 20 minute VC
Small win: Chelsea FC 3-0 W vs Tottenham
Other content: 54Gene partnership with Illumina & Colonialists are coming for blood - Literally
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Sep 5, 2021 • 2h 2min
#37: mPharma - How the HealthTech supply chain platform is providing services to pharmacies & patients across Africa
Overview: Today, we’re going to talk about mPharma - the Ghanaian prescription drug inventory management company. We’ll explore the mPharma story across 6 areas:
African Health care status & context
mPharma founding and early history
Fundraising & Growth
Product & monetization strategy
Competitive positioning & potential exit options
Overall outlook.
This episode was recorded on Sep 5, 2021
Companies discussed: mPharma, Novartis, DrugStoc, Medsaf, Helium Health, Golden Palm Investments, Novastar ventures, CDC & Gates Foundation
Business concepts discussed: Healthcare Logistics, drug distribution, Healthcare technology, Health insurance coverage, Health platforms, IFC & Public policy
Conversation highlights:
(01:14) - Why we’re talking about mPharma
(05:18) - Background of Healthcare in Africa
(19:41) - Healthcare and Pharmacy / Drugs access in Nigeria
(26:05) - Healthcare context and insurance in Ghana
(27:15) - mPharma founding and early history - Gregory Rockson background
(43:56) - Fundraising - Seed, Series A, B, C
(56:00) - Traction - users, reported revenue, etc.
(1:01:50) - Product strategy - Quality (Shop) Rx, Mutti, etc.
(1:11:57) - Monetization strategy
(1:14:17) - E-Commerce logistics vs healthcare logistics
(1:21:48) - Competition
(1:34:22) - Options for exit - mergers, acquisitions
(1:36:56) - Bankole’s overall thoughts and outlook
(1:45:36) - Olumide’s overall thoughts and outlook
(1:55:47) - Recommendations and small wins
Olumide’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: The World After Capital (Albert Wenger)
Small win: Setup Galaxy Z Flip3. Different experience.
Other content: Life expectancy (World Bank database)
Bankole’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: Donald Shoup on the economics of parking & Heaven and Hell - Kanye West
Small win: Attended a wedding in New Jersey this past weekend. Lots of fun celebrating with friends. Happy Married Life Joan & Chris!!!
Other content: Accelerating improvements in Health Product Distribution by Salient Advisory & How the QWERTY Keyboard Broke the Chinese Language
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Aug 22, 2021 • 1h 40min
#36: Helium Health - How the HealthTech infrastructure platform is supplying services to health care providers across Africa
Overview: Today, we’re going to talk about Helium Health - the Nigerian HealthTech infrastructure company. We’ll explore the Helium Health story across 6 areas:
African Health care status & context
Helium Health founding and early history
Fundraising & Growth
Product & monetization strategy
Competitive positioning & potential exit options
Overall outlook.
This episode was recorded on Aug 22, 2021
Companies discussed: Helium Health, Epic, MAGIC Fund, Y Combinator (YC), KingsChat & Tencent ventures
Business concepts discussed: Healthcare technology, Operator-Investor dynamics, Health insurance coverage, Health platforms, Electronic Medical Records, Electronic Health Records & Health policy
Conversation highlights:
(01:20) - Why we’re talking about Helium Health and HealthTech
(04:15) - African Healthcare context
(18:05) - Context of healthcare records in Africa
(25:05) - Founder backgrounds and early history of Helium Health
(37:00) - Fundraising and growth
(47:50) - Product & monetization strategy
(55:30) - M&A and Partnerships
(1:00:12) - Competition and potential exit options
(1:12:25) - Bankole’s overall thoughts and outlook
(1:24:05) - Olumide’s overall thoughts and outlook
(1:36:12) - Recommendations and small wins
Olumide’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: Unscripted - The Great Rat-Race Escape: From Wage Slavery to Wealth: Amazing!
Small win: Las Vegas weekend with friends. Insane.
Other content: World Bank database
Bankole’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: Peru - Fireboy DML & Business Breakdowns podcast on ZoomInfo
Small win: Back playing basketball regularly after 18 months out
Other content: Managing in an Age of Modularity
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Aug 15, 2021 • 1h 31min
#35: MultiChoice - How the South African Pay TV pioneer became the largest entertainment provider across Africa
Overview: Today, we’re going to talk about MultiChoice - The African video entertainment provider. We’ll explore the MultiChoice story across 5 areas:
South African video entertainment market context
MultiChoice's launch & growth over time
MultiChoice's product & monetization strategy
Competition, primary & emerging businesses
Overall outlook
This episode was recorded on August 15, 2021
Companies discussed: MultiChoice (M-Net), Naspers, MTN, ShowMax, BetKing, Comcast, Sky, DSTV, MTN, Iroko TV, HiTV, StarTimes, Vivendi Canal+, ROK Media, English Premier League, Netflix, HBO Max, ShowMax, Showtime & BBC
Business concepts discussed: Pan-African expansion strategy, Entertainment content acquisition strategy, subscription & hardware monetization strategy
Conversation highlights:
(02:20) - Why we’re talking about MultiChoice
(06:50) - South African TV context
(15:28) - Origin and early history of MultiChoice
(26:10) - Product & monetization strategy
(34:05) - MultiChoice device / decoder strategy
(38:20) - Content, Partnerships & M&A
(42:30) - MultiChoice Financials and key metrics
(46:54) - Competition across different business lines
(51:40) - Non-core businesses and investments, BetKing
(1:05:00) - Bankole’s overall thoughts and outlook
(1:12:02) - Olumide’s overall thoughts and outlook
(1:26:28) - Recommendations and small wins
Olumide’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: Die with Zero (Bill Perkins)
Small wins: Night out with SF friends & Sailing with friends in Sausalito
Bankole’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: Omah Lay - Understand & Robert Smith of Vista Equity on Money Maze Podcast
Small wins: Attended a wedding last weekend, Happy Married Life Dami! + Chelsea FC Winnning!
Other content mentioned: South Africa as TV’s last frontier
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Jul 25, 2021 • 2h 42min
#34: Kuda Bank - How Nigeria’s most popular Neobank is scaling to offer financial services to “every African on the planet”
Overview: Today, we’re going to discuss Kuda Bank - the African neobank. We’ll explore the Kuda story across 6 areas:
Neobanks in other emerging markets (Brazil & NuBank)
African & Nigerian banking context
Kuda's launch, early history, growth over time & fundraising
Kuda's product & monetization strategy
Competitive positioning, potential exit options
Overall outlook
This episode was recorded on July 25, 2021.
Companies discussed: Kuda Bank, Nubank, Carbon, N26, Monzo, Chime, GTBank, Stanbic IBTC, Sparkle, Rubies, Monzo, Xinja, Chime & Chipper Cash
Business concepts discussed: Neobank / Challenger bank / digital bank strategy, consumer FinTech monetization strategy, consumer lending, retail banking strategy, customer segmentation strategy & low-end disruption
Conversation highlights:
(01:00) - Why we’re talking about Kuda Bank
(05:50) - Neobanks in other emerging markets - Nubank background
(18:30) - Africa banking background
(26:50) - Traditional banks vs Neobanks
(35:20) - Banking context in Nigeria; Nigeria’s banking sector
(47:40) - Founding and early history
(1:02:27) - Seed fundraising
(1:11:50) - Series A fundraising
(1:18:40) - Product strategy
(1:26:30) - GTM & partnerships strategy
(1:33:47) - Monetization strategy
(1:50:16) - Competition - Neobanks, traditional banks & other FinTechs
(2:05:00) - Potential exit options
(2:10:29) - Olumide’s overall thoughts
(2:18:18) - Bankole’s overall thoughts
(2:32:35) - Recommendations & small wins
Olumide’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: What did I spend my money on after selling twitch (by Justin Kan. Fascinating conversation about wealth, managing money after a windfall, investments, private companies, exits, etc) & The Everything store (by Brad Stone) - Amazing book, amazing story. Amazing company. Favorite part is when author talks about Jeff's most famous insults. Hilarious!
Small win: NYC trip last weekend - So much fun partying with friends.
Other content: Monzo is “struggling"
Bankole’s recommendations & small wins:
Recommendation: Where you are is not who you are by Ursula Burns & Justin Kan interview of Conor White-Sullivan (YouTube)
Small win: I spent the last week in Lagos! New friends, stimulating conversations and catching up with old friends
Other content: Kudimoney pitch at Startup Bootcamp & 2015 NYTimes article on Amazon’s work culture
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Jul 11, 2021 • 2h 15min
#33: Chipper Cash - How the FinTech platform started from African remittances to become the fastest unicorn in Africa Tech history
Overview: Today, we’re going to talk about Chipper Cash - The African Fintech payments & remittances player. We’ll explore the Chipper story across 6 areas:
Intra-Africa remittances context
Global remittances (outside Africa to Africa) context
Chipper Cash’s launch, early history, growth & fundraising
Chipper Cash's Product & monetization strategy
Competitive positioning & potential exit options
End with our overall outlook.
This episode was recorded on July 11 & Aug 1, 2021.
Companies discussed: Chipper Cash, Venmo, PayPal, Square, Flutterwave, EcoBank, Safaricom, Sendwave, MTN, Airtel, Deciens Capital & Liquid2 Ventures
Business concepts discussed: Consumer FinTech (Personal Finance OS) monetization strategy, FinTech exit strategy, Intra-African Remittances, International remittances, Cryptocurrency, Decentralized Finance, Stock trading & closed-loop payment networks
Conversation highlights:
(01:07) - Why we’re talking about Chipper Cash
(06:20) - Intra-African trade context
(13:12) - Intra-African remittances context
(21:40) - Global remittances (outside Africa to Africa) context
(36:50) - Founder backgrounds - Ham Serunjogi & Majid Moujaled
(46:06) - Chipper Cash founding and early history
(52:30) - Fundraising and Growth - Angel, Series A, B & C
(1:07:25) - Product strategy
(1:08:25) - Monetization strategy
(1:35:24) - Competition - horizontal and vertical
(1:45:55) - Potential exit scenarios
(1:54:12) - Bankole’s overall thoughts and outlook
(2:01:32) - Olumide’s overall thoughts and outlook
(2:08:40) - Recommendations and small wins
Olumide’s recommendations, small wins & open questions:
Recommendation: Nailing Capital vs Scaling Capital (by Sajith Pai) , Essentialism (by Greg McKeown) & Owning Chinese Companies Is Complicated (by Matt Levine from Bloomberg)
Small win: American Express Platinum new benefits: Clear! & Audible!
Bankole’s recommendations, small wins & open questions:
Recommendation: Why startups fail by Tom Eisenmann & How to build an engine to find product market fit by Rahul Vohra
Small win: Dinner with friends on a rooftop in Seattle
Other content: Chipper Cash pitch at 500 Startups & A columnist Makes Sense of Wall Street Like None Other - The New York Times
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Jun 28, 2021 • 1h 49min
#32: African FinTech lending - How consumer loan platforms are providing credit across Africa
Overview: Today we’re going to talk about consumer lending in Africa. We start by discussing lending in other emerging markets, discuss Africa’s credit landscape, analyze lending tech companies across Africa & end with our overall outlook. This episode was recorded on June 27, 2021.
Companies discussed: Navi, Creditas, Jumo, Carbon, Branch, Tala, Tugende, FairMoney, Shahry, Khazna, NuBank, Safaricom (M-Pesa), Alibaba (Ant Financial & AliPay), Migo (Mines), Numida, Tyme Bank, Lulalend & Evolve Credit
Business concepts discussed: Consumer lending, SME lending, unbanked population, Agency banking, credit assesment, lending risk management & lending (financial services) regulation
Conversation highlights:
(00:40) - Why we’re talking about Lending
(04:40) - Consumer lending context in India
(10:10) - Navi deepdive & what African startups can learn
(13:14) - Consumer lending context in Brazil
(18:30) - Creditas deepdive
(31:29) - Consumer lending context in China
(38:30) - Consumer lending in Africa
(51:18) - Lending startups in Southern Africa
(1:04:06) - Lending startups in Western Africa
(1:05:00) - Lending startups in Eastern Africa
(1:16:16) - Lending startups in Northern Africa
(1:26:50) - Olumide’s overall thoughts
(1:31:50) - Bankole’s overall thoughts
(1:45:30) - Recommendations and small wins
Olumide’s recommendations & small wins
Recommendation: Howard Lindzon on Angel Podcast - Amazing banter, really funny and insightful
Recommendation: Feeling by Ladipoe - Amazing. I can basically listen to it on repeat for hours
Recommendation: Eni Duro - Olamide - Real life. Epic.
Small win: Windows 11 announced. Can't wait to use it
Other content: Decoding India's consumer lending opportunity
Other content: Chinese microlending is getting weird and dangerous
Special thanks to Deji Olowe for helping me think about lending (checkout his blog here)
Bankole’s recommendations & small wins
Recommendation: The Grid: The Fraying Wires Between Americans and Our Energy Future & The Grid: A Journey Through the Heart of Our Electrified World
Small win: Attended a Seattle Sounders game v Real Salt Lake. Sounders W.
Other content: Samora Kariuki Frontier Fintech & @getCarbon on Medium
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Jun 14, 2021 • 1h 23min
#31: African Sports betting & gambling tech - The rise & expansion of betting services across Africa
Overview: Today we’re going to talk about Sports betting & gambling tech in Africa. We share some context about betting in developed and emerging markets, analyze betting tech companies across Africa & end with our overall outlook. This episode was recorded on Jun 13, 2021.
Companies discussed: BetKing, Betway, Bet9ja, BetBonanza, SportPesa, BetFair, Bet365, Flutter entertainment, Paddy Power, Walletec, 22Bet, William Hill & Multichoice
Business concepts discussed: Gambling, Betting, Tech policy, Taxation strategy & Government Tech
Conversation highlights:
(01:00) - Why we’re talking about sports betting / gambling + how it works
(11:10) - Betting & Sports gambling in the UK
(18:20) - Betting & Sports gambling in India
(21:20) - Context of sports betting in Africa
(31:57) - Gambling regulation across African countries
(37:39) - Western Africa betting startups
(43:32) - Southern Africa betting startups
(49:40) - Eastern Africa betting startups
(57:30) - Northern African betting startups
(1:00:17) - Bankole’s overall thoughts
(1:10:09) - Olumide’s overall thoughts
(1:16:05) - Recommendations and small wins
Olumide’s recommendations, small wins & open questions:
Recommendation: The Ride of a lifetime (by Bob Iger). Loved it. Email info@afrobility.com with autobiography recommendations
Small win: Las Vegas last weekend (fun getaway) with friends :)
Bankole’s recommendations, small wins & open questions:
Recommendation: Caught In The Study Web & Feeling by Ladipoe
Small win: UFC 263. Ask about Izzy. Aya bi Ekun.
Other content: Nigeria needs to raise tobacco taxes, Collar option strategy & Brandon Moreno UFC 263 Octagon interview
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