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Crypto is a wild west - how do you keep up???
I‘ve been here for 8 years, and it‘s only gotten worse! So I interview big brain veterans, in attempts to find the meta.
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Latest episodes

Feb 8, 2024 • 47min
Humans of MetaGame #7 - Journey Into Autonomy, Mastery & Web3 w/ Sero
In this episode, we're excited to welcome Sero, a key player in MetaGame, whose unique journey from a high school dropout to a tech and Web3 enthusiast offers a fresh perspective on self-learning, autonomy and the future of decentralized systems.
Sero’s story is not just about overcoming traditional educational hurdles but also about finding his path in the dynamic and often challenging world of freelancing & Web3. His experience with various programming languages, his approach to learning, and his transition into MetaGame showcase a blend of determination, skill, and adaptability.
- Sero’s unconventional educational journey and career experiences.
- How the Odin project and COVID-19 led to a breakthrough in learning
- Entry into the world of crypto through a DeFi project
- Sero’s rank in MetaGame and his perspective on its working environment
- Importance of a product mindset versus an open-source approach
- MetaGame's culture, meritocracy, and financial sustainability
- The role of autonomy & mentorship in personal & professional development
"I always like to learn by myself and kind of be my own leader. It's about not wanting to waste my life... if I want to do something, I try at least. It's a habit that you have to build."
We uncovered layers behind a self-taught tech enthusiast's journey. Sero’s story is a testament to the power of self-motivation, the importance of adapting to changing learning environments, and the potential impact of mentorship. Sero’s insights into MetaGame and the broader tech landscape provide valuable lessons for anyone navigating this dynamic space.
Resources:
The Odin Project
Sero on Twitter
Decentra Talks Podcast
Serotonin Designs Blog

Dec 13, 2023 • 55min
Frontiers Of Coordination #17 - Powerful Draw of Ethereum & The Protocol Guild w/ Trent Vane Epps
In this episode, we dive in with Trent Van Epps, a non-technical core contributor to Ethereum and the founder of Protocol Guild. Trent shares his journey from studying to be an architect to working at the Ethereum Foundation & founding the Protocol Guild.
Currently serving on the Protocol Support team, overseeing network upgrades & maintenance; Trent highlights the need for non-technical people to make it all gel. He also outlines the decentralized governance & compensation mechanics of the Protocol Guild as well as the criticism he’s faced about it.
"Time weighting is one of the most important aspects because we're able to sidestep a lot of the... things that members are responsible for managing."
Overall, peth & Trent cover everything from the original Mist demo back in 2016 that got them both excited about Ethereum, all the way to the time-weighted compensation inside the Protocol Guild, contributor retention, decentralized protocol development funding, public goods, their favourite applications of Ethereum & their long term hopes for it.
"I think there's still something to build, there's still a lot of work to do to shape this blockchain substrate that we're all constructing together."
Key Topics:
Mist Demo 2016
Architecture to Blockchain Transition
Protocol Guild Initiative
Decentralized Applications & Usecases
Evolving Blockchain Design
Protocol Guild Origins
Funding Model
Resources:
Mist Demo
Ethereum Foundation
Protocol Guild Documentation
EAS (Ethereum Attestation Service)
Protocol Guild Website
Trent Van Epps on Twitter
Optimism Research Forum
SourceCred

Sep 21, 2023 • 50min
MetaView #32 -DAOs & Co-ops: 100 Years of Participatory Governance w/ Hugi
Hugi is an Icelandic entrepreneur & technologist involved in participatory political movements & decentralized organizations for over 15 years. He was a founding member of the Swedish Pirate Party, he helped build the participatory festival Borderland & currently works on open source platforms like Open Collective & Cobudget, empowering collaborative communities.
Hugi shares his early experience co-founding the Swedish Pirate Party, one of the first political movements organised as an online swarm. After that, he got involved with the Borderland festival. He saw it as an experimental sandbox for new coordination methods in decentralized decision-making.
Besides putting on the most decentralized festival for thousands of people, people of Borderland also built tools for doing so, one of which became Cobudget - an online tool for decentralized budgeting.
He hopes for more cross-pollination between DAOs & civil society organizations. DAOs can learn governance models from 100-years of experience. On the other hand, DAOs need to start interacting with & prove real-world impact before being taken seriously by the 99%. He suggests people build web3 solutions for civil society needs, as a bridge between the spaces.
“I realized that in a lot of these communities that are running open source software or DAOs, there's not a single person that has any experience from regular civil society organizations, because if they did, they would already have the blueprints in their heads of how this can look, because the blueprints are already there." - Hugi
Key Topics:
Origins of the Swedish Pirate Party & swarm organizing
Borderland festival as a decentralized sandbox
Self-organization and emergent leadership
Advice process for decentralized decision-making
Participatory budgeting with Cobudget
Learning from historic worker cooperatives
Real-world impact and adoption challenges
Bridging web3 and mainstream communities
Technocratic elitism in web3 spaces
Hybridizing DAOs and traditional nonprofits
Resources:
- Hugi Asgeirsson
- Borderland
- Cobudget
- Open Collective
- Swedish Pirate Party

Aug 7, 2023 • 49min
MetaView #31 - Multipolar Traps, Metacrisis & Web3 w/ Stephen Reid
Stephen Reid, teacher, technologist, and coach discusses topics such as metamodernism, the metacrisis, and web3. He talks about being a bridge builder between different communities and the interconnectedness of global challenges. Key ideas covered include the multipolar trap and understanding underlying generator functions for solving multiple crises.

Jul 10, 2023 • 47min
Frontiers Of Coordination #16 - Coordinaping Towards A Better Future w/Zakku
In this episode, we welcome Zakku of Coordinape, a platform for
decentralized compensation where people acknowledge & reward each
other's contributions.
An activist & a coordinator - Zach has a deep background in building, coordinating & advising networks for impact. His path took him to co-founding Converge before his interest in peer-to-peer collaboration led him to explore the potential of crypto, become an early contributor at Yearn & eventually start Coordinape.
Inspired by decentralized compensation on a round table at Converge - Coordinape allows people to write their contributions for evaluation by peers. Each member receives 100 GIVE tokens to allocate to other members based on their contributions, then the funds get divided based on % of total GIVEs each member received.
There’s a lot more to it & Zakku emphasizes the importance of communication & reflection throughout the whole process - but that’s it in a nutshell.
Zach & peth dived into the challenges & opportunities of decentralized collaboration, discussing trade-offs of decentralization & efficiency, highlighting the need for context & cohesive team dynamics before going into the potential of AI to assist us.
They brushed on the difficulties of founding software projects as non-technical people as well as other personal & interpersonal challenges inherent in online collaboration;
In conclusion, Zakku & peth share similar beliefs in the potential of
Web3 to create new systems, build better organizations & address
societal issues.
“Web3 offers the potential to create new systems rather than fighting against the old ones. We have the tools to do things better than default systems."
Some of the topics:
- The launch of CoSoul NFTs in Coorinape
- Experience in activism, coordination & Converge
- Using Coordinape for decentralized compensation
- Challenges & advantages of decentralized collaboration
- Importance of context & communication
- Potential of AI in assisting DAOs
- Future vision of Coordinape
- Potential of Web3 & projects that make Zakku bullish
"We're trying to use technology to solve what is fundamentally a social
problem...difficulties in working this way require self-awareness,
emotional intelligence & open communication."
Resources:
Coordinape
Converge
Impact Networks (book)
How to Build Impact Networks (playbook)
Cabin
Krause House
Quests

Jun 29, 2023 • 56min
MetaView #30 - The Power of Intent w/ Malcolm Ocean
Malcolm & Intentions
In this episode of the MetaView Podcast, we welcome Malcolm Ocean; a goal-setter, developer & a solopreneur who’s been building Intend for the better half of a decade.
Reflecting on his own experience of realizing the power of setting intentions & pursuing values-aligned projects, Malcolm shares his journey of exploring intentionality & his motivation behind starting Intend and how it helps people gain clarity & realize their goals.
His overall idea is that motivation is not something that needs to be forced but simply recognized & channeled, highlighting the importance of understanding what blocks or inhibits motivation.
Why Intend
He primarily built Intend for himself & his friends whom he was helping with goal-setting, but the thing quickly took off to become his primary source of income.
Malcom also explores the differences between Intend, habit-tracking, and to-do apps, noting how Intend focuses on long term goals & fresh daily intentions rather than backlogged tasks or recurring habits. Qualitative reflections instead of metrics.
Like most guests of MetaView, Malcolm emphasizes the importance of playing win-win games & creating collaborative cultures to maximize positive outcomes for everyone involved.
Win-win Games & Self-energizing Teams
Malcolm’s interest stretch far beyond Intend and into team dynamics, consciousness & culture. By showing people how to play better games, he believes that a shift towards collaborative cultures can lead to a more fulfilling and harmonious society.
They go on to explore the idea of self-energizing teams, where individuals find collaborations that align with their own goals & where the motivation becomes effortless.
Highlighting the importance of accountability & the role of financial stakes, the episode concludes with a reflection on the role of clearly set goals & the misconception that monetary incentives are the primary driver of motivation.
"The moment you think you might want to get yourself to do something, you already have motivation to do it. Instead, focus on how to allow yourself to do it."
Some of the topics
Power of intentions
Choosing goals & the importance of deciding what not to do
Recognizing and channeling motivation
Fractal reviews and the satisfaction of tracking progress
Leveraging strengths & collaborations
Self-energizing meta teams & effortless motivation
The role of stakes in goal commitment
The role of money in motivation
Resources:
The Goal-Crafting Intensive - workshop, starting soon
Intend app
Malcolm's Twitter
Intend Philosophy
The Meta-Protocol For Human Trust-Building
A Collaborative Self-Energizing Meta-Team Vision (+two related vision pieces 1, 2)
4min Guided Meditation: Holding And Allowing An Intention
Robert Keegan's book "An Everyone Culture: Becoming a Deliberately Developmental Organization"
Beeminder, StrongLifts, Runkeeper & Notion - apps mentioned

Jun 16, 2023 • 59min
MetaView #29 - Coordination Through Alignment w/ Rob Morris
In this MetaView episode, peth talked to Rob Morris; a metamodernist, a game b player & a serial entrepreneur since the dotcom era - currently running FunDAOmental & Prismatik as well as advising & investing in several other projects along the way. His passion for technology and people, cooperative coordination and the metacrisis led to a deep conversation on these topics & the role that technology plays for humanity to move towards more positive outcomes.
“At a very high level I think that the way that humans get things done reflects what's advantageous in the environment that we find ourselves in and also in a broad sense reflects a gradual evolution of the perspectives that we collectively hold and how we approach things”, he says.
Some of the topics:
Hierarchical coordination vs alignment based coordination
Coordination by control vs Coordination by alignment
SaaS software vs protocol style organizations
Network effect vs protectionism and monopoly, economy of scale
Coordination tension
The Mathew effect
Metacrisis & ways to address it
Meeting people’s needs to enable collective action
Sociocracy
Coordination failures
Resources:
Rob Morris Twitter
FunDAOmental Twitter
Prismatik Twitter
Prismatik Web
Sociocracy
The Death of Machiavelli by Rob Morris

Jun 3, 2023 • 58min
MetaView #28 - Being a Friendly Ambitious Nerd & The Bigger Picture w/ Visakan Veerasamy
Visa Veerasamy is a prolific writer and creator. With a large list of followers on twitter, he is known for crafting a web of curious exploratory threads as well for being the author of the books Friendly Ambitious Nerd & Introspect. On a mission to spark curiosity, creativity, and prolificacy in the digital age, he is knitting a global network and encouraging other people to chase their curiosity & make friends.
Having grown up in libraries, he thinks of the internet as a grand one, a place with infinite possibilities where you can find people all over the world with the same interests and values. To find them he advises to create, share and dare to be bad at what you do when you’re starting, which will lead to form a cluster of great people thriving together.
It sounds simple because it is - but he has a whole vision around how individuals simply following their interests & making friends will lead to great positive outcomes for the society as a whole, not just individuals doing so.
Some of the topics:
Becoming a friendly ambitious nerd
Advice to younger people
Identity vs Anonimity
How to be a friendly ambitious nerd
Why become a friendly ambitious nerd
Good marketing
Resources:
Visa’s Twitter
Visa’s Web page
Friendly Ambitious Nerd Book
Introspect Book
Visa’s Substack: voltaic verses

May 17, 2023 • 57min
Frontiers Of Coordination #14 - Collaboration, Standardization & Biomimicry w/ Simona Pop
Simona Pop has been involved with the Ethereum community and DAOs since the early days and recalls the levels of enthusiasm and energy that made her get involved into many different projects in the ecosystem among which are co-founding Bounties Network and organizing Schelling Point, a unconference around coordination, regenerative economics and DeSci. She’s currently the Metagovernance Steward at ENS DAO - among other things.
Some of the topics:
Bounties Network
Interoperability vs personal interest
Biggest lessons over the years
Creating initiation experiences
Kernel mentorship
Schelling Point & lessons learned
Unconferences
Biomimicry
DAOs’ biggest problems
Standardization & framework for DAOs
Her project, Bounties Network, was about building a bounties platform as a protocol - interoperable. It was also possibly the first Web3 project incentivizing regeneration in the real world by putting bounties on things like beach cleanups. One of the constraints she encountered was the mentality of ownership over collective interests, which complicates the move towards interoperability. A mindset that must go through a process of unlearning to prioritize collaboration, one of her key takeaways from her years in the space.
If you’ve been following Simona on twitter, you might have noticed she likes looking at collaboration & decentralization through the lens of biomimicry, which aims to emulate nature’s processes, forms and ecosystems from the awareness that we as humans are part of a greater network. In this sense she proposes standardization in DAO frameworks & communications, which would be a baseline and a soil ready for planting that also allows navigation easily and that would organize the circuit of information, resource and decision making.
Resources:
Simona’s Twitter
Schelling Point twitter
Bounties Network
ETH Global Twitter

May 8, 2023 • 55min
Share What You’re Making #11 - Derrek Coleman On Buidling Community
In this episode of Share What You’re Making Chair & Bacon have a chat with Derrick Coleman, who is the community steward at Ethereum Denver as well as a regular contributor on Raid Guild, where his journey in Web3 began.
From there he would make the bridge to his current role, taking care of the health of the community. An appropriate role for him considering it has been precisely the sense of community what has kept him in Web3. “The reason I'm in the space is because there are these communities of people that care for each other and look out for each other because of some shared values or goals. I'm not here for the libertarian not-your-keys-not-your-coin-get-off-my-property vibes. I'm here for the let's make an internet co-op so we can work together and have less extractive value systems sucking out whatever value we create for the sake of the shareholders”.
With that in mind and a strong purpose on education, he’s been aligned with ETH Denver Ethos to buidl, to create the world we live in and shaping its tools and foundations; this is what excites him about bringing together the people and the technology in a cooperative of people that are incentivized to see each other succeed.
“I care first and foremost about the buidling. The only thing you can do with Bitcoin is hold it, so maxis turned that into a meme; you can Hodl aka not sell, but over on Ethereum, which has a smart contract layer, it gets more interesting because you can build code on top of the machine, so instead of Hodl we Buidl interesting projects using that technology, so our entire ecosystem of buidlers buidling their projects is the key thing and the part I'm excited about”.
Some of the topics:
How he was onboarded to Web3
How he got into Raid guild and Sporkdao and ETH Denver
His role on ETH Denver team
Camp Buidl
His take on onboarding
Code along with Derreck videos
Lens merch stolen?
ETH Denver reach
Some lessons learned and ETH Denver 2024
Path to ETH Denver 2024 with Infinity Keys
Buffycorn Ventures
Projects that started at ETH Denver
Resources:
Derrek’s Twitter
Derrek’s Lens
Raid Guild Twitter
Raid Wild Web
Code along with Derrek
ETH Denver Twitter
ETH Denver Web
ETH Denver Youtube Channel
SporkDAO Twitter
SporkDAO Web
Spork DAO Discord
Infinity Keys Web
Welook Web3 Social Platform
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