
The Sacred Speaks
Join depth psychotherapist and Jungian scholar, John Price, in an exploration of extraordinary stories and phenomena that lurk beneath the surface of normal and everyday life. Listen in as John interviews experts, dilettantes, sinners, and saints to explore their professional and personal perspective on the underlying purpose of the mysteries which lurk within the seemingly mundane nature of day-to-day life.
John received his Master’s degree in clinical psychology and his Doctorate degree in Jungian psychology. He is in private practice and is also on the faculty of The Jung Center and The University of St. Thomas, both located in Houston, Texas. He lectures and teaches classes in subjects ranging from Parenting and Consciousness to Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll.
This podcast seeks to accept a challenge laid out by Carl Jung: to explore the universal human feelings of emotional incompleteness, spiritual curiosity and one’s related search for wholeness and meaning. Interviews commence with the belief that, by engaging in this exploration, we can learn more about the psyche, consciousness, spirituality, philosophy and the profound, though often hidden, meaning of the day-to-day lives we lead (or which will lead us, if we aren’t watchful).
Come along as John follows people into bars, universities, places of worship, financial districts and the home. He finds each context equally able to provide a setting for this worthy search and also that, through this process, we have an opportunity to come to know each other and ourselves much more deeply.
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Dec 4, 2020 • 2h 19min
60: The Human Journey. A conversation with Dr. Sara Schneider
One valuable question for us all to ask ourselves is: When does the performance stop? For you, really. Maybe a more specific question is: When are you not performing? Dr. Sara Schneider is interested in questions about the human body, the way it moves, how people adorn their bodies, how we express, and what is the road less traveled when it comes to expression of the body, be it acting, singing, etc. She began exploring these questions more deeply as she contemplated the window displays on 5th avenue in NYC circa 1988, one artists romantic nights on the town with a mannequin, when art and life flow together in a seamless whole. We discuss death and dying, death and cultural differences, the relationship between grief and love, how we attend to the sick and dying as a culture, anticipatory grief, hospice care in Western culture, the healing nature of story and storytelling, we explore how Dr. Schneider maps Joseph Campbell’s Hero’s Journey into gaming theory, storytelling, end of life transition, and the meaning making mechanism in groups. This process helps family and other systems experience conversations that would otherwise not typically happen.
Bio:
THE HUMAN JOURNEY® Founder/CEO Sara K. Schneider, Ph.D., is a performance anthropologist, theatre maker, and organizational consultant and facilitator, with degrees from Yale and NYU, who calls herself “an artist whose medium is groups.” Sara’s books on human performance have been published by Yale University Press, Cuneiform Books, and Pendragon Press. She has published chapters in education, design, anthropology, and medical training books, and her insights have been featured on a variety of NPR programs and television and video productions. She consults on organizational and leadership strategy, program development, and learning design to nonprofit, healthcare, and corporate clients and offers experiential training and workshops on professional skills, and bringing spirituality into professional life.
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Oct 30, 2020 • 1h 33min
59: YOU MIGHT DIE TOMORROW (So live today!). A conversation with Kate Manser.
What are the milestones that you feel you need to reach before your life feels complete and ordered? How would you like to be remembered after you are gone? What would you risk if you could achieve the life you imagine that your heroes live or lived? Kate asks questions such as these, and more, so that she keeps the inevitability of death close enough to challenge and push her into a more full and aware life today. Following the death of several friends, Kate experienced grief, fear, anxiety, and then liberation from the weight of these feelings by opening herself to death. What are the messages that Kate want you to take away from this conversation and reading her book? 1. Enjoy your life and have fun every day; 2. Remembering your death is the ultimate deadline to motivate you; and 3. Remember that we are souls and we can live the life we desire, if we begin that journey. From a natural curiosity that sent her into a professional work life at the innovation and idea hub of Google, Kate departed the road that many desire into the life that brings her a sense of empowerment, discovery, and wholeness. Though the whole shift emerged from a confrontation with her grief and the motivation to make life matter. We discuss the path to mortality awareness, the cultural issues with framing death, the need to explore other cultures to understand the blessings of the culture of your birth and the limitations, post-traumatic stress & post-traumatic growth, the practice of mortality awareness, and enjoying your life.
Bio:
Kate Manser is the creator of YOU MIGHT DIE TOMORROW, a radical movement to inspire people to really live before they die.
Kate’s work as an artist, author, and speaker has touched millions of people around the world, inspiring people like you to embrace death, create meaning, and live for the joy of being alive today.
Her new book, also titled YOU MIGHT DIE TOMORROW, was lauded by NYT Bestselling author Brad Montague. She’s spoken at Facebook HQ, appeared in Oprah Magazine, and all that jazz.
Most of all, Kate is just so happy to be alive.
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Deathbed Meditation
https://www.youmightdietomorrow.com/deathbed-meditation/
Top Five Regrets of the Dying
https://bronnieware.com/blog/regrets-of-the-dying/
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Jun 18, 2020 • 1h 7min
58: Apocalypse and Injustice. A conversation with Erin Prophet.
Apocalypse tends to be a vision of justice for people who are experiencing an injustice. For Dr. Erin Prophet, the chaos and uncertainty in the world with both the pandemic and the collective anger about harmful and ineffective policy, just might provide us all with hope for change. In this conversation we discuss religion, the symbol of the apocalypse, her experience living in a religious group that prepared for the apocalypse, the need for systemic change to address issues associated with race, what we can learn from our history, how we need to be reflective during times of intense unrest, and the ways in which religions can help us, during times of crisis, and how they can also hurt.
Bio:
Erin Prophet is a scholar of religion with interests in alternative spirituality and medicine. She has a master’s degree in public health (epidemiology concentration) from Boston University and received her PhD from Rice University in May 2018. Her master's practicum looked at characteristics of long-term survival in non-small cell lung cancer. Her dissertation examines the nineteenth-century appropriation of “evolution” as a form of personal improvement and self-transcendence. It is entitled “Evolution Esotericized: Conceptual Blending and the Emergence of Secular, Therapeutic Salvation.”
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Apr 23, 2020 • 1h 22min
57: Optimism, Uncertainty, and Doubt. A conversation with John Horgan.
As a science writer with The Scientific American, a primary concern for John Horgan is how science both supports the evolution of human understanding, and he is also very interested in exploring the shortcomings of science as a methodology and the limitations of the scientists whose conclusions have a direct impact on the world.
In this conversation, we discuss the current pandemic and how crisis and trauma shift innovation and the scientific ideas that inform the zeitgeist. One of John’s primary interests is the limitations of science, with emphasis on how much time and energy we need to be investing in discovering what might be, unanswerable questions about reality and the universe. He proposes that we would be better served to solve the problems of war, diseases, and inequality – to name a few. Balancing optimism and realism, how humanity may approach the aftermath of the current COVID crisis, the nature of positivity and pessimism, we explore a few political and social outcomes from this crisis, the importance of addressing climate change and the overwhelming expenses designated to national defense and military spending, terror management theory, crisis and the spiritual attitude, times when people are more attracted to authoritarian leadership, the ways in which the awareness of death influences an individual’s core philosophies, spirituality and nihilism, mysticism, consumerism, and social control, politics and society, the value of paradox in our psychology, the value of measured skepticism and doubt to transcend fundamentalism.
Bio:
John Horgan is a science journalist and Director of the Center for Science Writings at Stevens Institute of Technology, Hoboken, New Jersey. A former senior writer at Scientific American (1986-1997), he has also written for The New York Times, National Geographic, Time, Newsweek, The Washington Post, Slate and other publications. He writes the "Cross-check" blog for Scientific American and produces "Mind-Body Problems" for the online talk show Bloggingheads.tv. He tweets as @horganism.
Horgan's most recent book, Mind-Body Problems: Science, Subjectivity and Who We Really Are, takes a radical new approach to the deepest and oldest of all mysteries, the mind-body problem. Published in September 2018, it is available for free online at mindbodyproblems.com, for $5 as an Amazon e-book and for $15 as a paperback.
Horgan's first book was The End of Science: Facing the Limits of Science in the Twilight of the Scientific Age, which was republished with a new preface in 2015 by Basic Books. Originally published in 1996, it became a U.S. bestseller and was translated into 13 languages.
Horgan's publications have received international coverage. He has been interviewed hundreds of times for print, radio, and television media, including The Lehrer News Hour, Charlie Rose, and National Public Radio's Science Friday. He has lectured at dozens of institutions in North America and Europe, including MIT, Caltech, Princeton, Dartmouth, McGill, the University of Amsterdam, and England's National Physical Laboratory.
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Apr 9, 2020 • 1h 18min
56: Sacred Stress. A conversation with George Faller.
56: Sacred Stress. A conversation with George Faller.
George is an outstanding person to connect with during this virus crisis because while when it comes to whether or not the virus is here, we do not have any choice in the matter. However, we can choose how to respond to the chaos and sense of disconnection that it brings. George’s role with the New York City Fire Department positioned him as a first responder to the Twin Towers on 9/11/2001. In the aftermath of this trauma, through education, training, and personal exploration, he began to understand his mission and purpose to be supporting others through crisis and trauma. Currently, as a marriage and family therapist, speaker, and writer, George works to bring his message to others. The most simplified form of this message is that we usually find the sacred within the stressful. But first, we need to find out which kind of stress we are talking about in the first place. In this conversation, George and I explore the two different kinds of stress - distress and eustress- the value within the function of the various ways in which we approach stress both approach and withdrawal, the hidden costs of our attempts to protect and defend ourselves, misconceptions surrounding our interpretation of stress, the influence between our individual perceptions of stress and the physiological consequences to that stress, the science behind coming together for support even when the larger part of our defenses are oriented to retreat, post-traumatic growth and the meaning that often accompanies the most devastating moments of our lives.
Bio:
Prior to a career in the field of mental health, George spent 20 years as a NYC Firefighter and NYC Police Officer. George received his M.S. in Marriage and Family Therapy from Iona College, where he graduated at the top of his class. He holds a B.A. in Political Science from Queens College. His experience as a FDNY Peer Counselor, particularly following the events of 9/11, sparked his passion to help those impacted by trauma.
He is a certified Trainer/Supervisor/Therapist in Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT) and founder of the New York Center for Emotionally Focused Therapy where he serves as President. He is a Supervisor with the American Association for Marriage & Family Therapy (AAMFT) and teaches classes at the Ackerman Institute for the Family in Manhattan. He is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist currently practicing in Connecticut and New York. George is the director of training at the Greenwich Center for Hope & Renewal in Connecticut and is on the Board of the Porter Cason Institute at Tulane University in New Orleans.
George brings a unique and varied experience to his practice. Whether he is providing marriage therapy to Wall Street executives, leading a conference for the United States Military or equipping therapists from around the globe, his ability to inspire is far-reaching. George is also committed to bringing EFT to underprivileged populations and pushing the leading edge of effective therapy.
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Mar 26, 2020 • 1h 23min
55: COVID: Civilizational, Global, & Existential. A conversation with Stuart Kauffman.
In this episode Dr. Stuart Kauffman and I discuss human population, creativity, the consequences of the exponential growth of the modern economy, consumerism and consumption: a model for overwhelming our environment, the choices “asked” of humanity within a consumerist culture, reductionism and the center of our humanity, increases of GDP and the relationship to individual identity, creating meaningful tools and goods that sustain, shifting our understanding of work and widgets, the modern notion of a well-lived life, comparing COVID with other viruses, solutions to the pandemic, efficacy of our responses, definition of a virus, several theoretical options to cure COVID currently underway including: phage display, monoclonal antibodies, and the repurposing of other known drugs, combinatorial models for creative solutions to disease, ways to understand systems and biological networks, self-reflection in a time of chaos, the axial age and pivotal changes in humanity through different stages of civilization.
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Mar 19, 2020 • 1h 46min
54: My Stroke of Insight. A conversation with Jill Bolte Taylor.
Like many of you, I watched Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor’s TED talk back in 2008 with astonishment and excitement – so this conversation is a long time coming. Dr. Taylor’s personality is without pretense, and her gift of switching between a scientific worldview to the view of an experiencer sets her up as both an accomplished observer of the measurable and an excitably playful experiencer of the miraculous. She holds this tension well and I only wish that we had more time to talk. Thankfully, she agreed to share another conversation once her next book hits the bookstores. This conversation explores the evolution of Dr. Taylor’s thoughts following her stroke 20 years ago. She is currently working on her forthcoming book that is preparing her to speak about the more practical and theoretical application of how she views various archetypes that each relate to specific aspects of our brains. From Dr. Taylor’s perspective, we each possess 4 distinct characters within our psychological and neuroanatomical self, that are each capable of interacting with each other. At times this can be overwhelming and full of conflict, or we have the ability and power to source these personalities to support each other. She states that we can purposefully and intentionally transform and shift the patterns of our psychological, spiritual, behavioral, and relational lives.
Bio:
Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor is a trained and published neuroanatomist. Her research specialty was in the postmortem investigation of the human brain as it relates to schizophrenia and the severe mental illnesses. Because she has a brother who has been diagnosed with the brain disorder schizophrenia, Dr. Taylor served for three years on the Board of Directors of National NAMI (National Alliance on Mental Illness) between 1994-1997.
On December 10, 1996, Dr. Taylor woke up to discover that she was experiencing a rare form of stroke, an arterio-venous malformation (AVM). Two and a half weeks later, on December 27, 1996, she underwent major brain surgery at Massachusetts General Hospital (MGH) to remove a golf ball size blood clot that was placing pressure on the language centers in the left hemisphere of her brain.
It took eight years for Dr. Taylor to successfully rebuild her brain - from the inside out. In response to the swelling and trauma of the stroke, which placed pressure on her dominant left hemisphere, the functions of her right hemisphere blossomed. Among other things, she now creates and sells unique stained glass brains when commissioned to do so. In addition, she published a book about her recovery from stroke and the insights she gained into the workings of her brain. The New York Times bestselling memoir is titled My Stroke of Insight: A Brain Scientist's Personal Journey and spent 17 weeks on the NY Times Bestseller list.
In February 2008, Dr. Taylor gave a presentation at the prestigious TED Conference. A video of that presentation was posted on the TED website which was immediately viewed by millions of people around the world. The response to the video launched Dr. Taylor into becoming a highly sought-after public speaker. She was chosen by TIME Magazine as one of the 100 Most Influential People in the World for 2008, and was the premiere guest on Oprah's Soul Series web-cast. In addition, she was interviewed by Oprah and Dr. Oz on The Oprah Winfrey Show in October, 2008.
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Mar 5, 2020 • 1h 37min
53: Psychotherapy and freedom from preconceptions. A conversation with Mark Winborn.
How each of us takes in, and adapts to, the experiences of our lives create various preconceptions about the world and our place in it. Dr. Winborn, psychologist and Jungian psychoanalyst, works as a psychotherapist a vocation that he believes helps to free us from those preconceptions, or limitations to our lives. In the conversation we discuss: the nature of our psychological experience and how psychotherapy, in particular, psychoanalytic therapies aid in the integration and assimilation of aspects of the unconscious; the value of everyday language so that concepts are not reified and thereby extracted from their context; the concept of reverie as a state of mind that gets out of task mode, wherein we direct out thinking, and into a state that allows the images, affects, perceptions, memories, etc. and more.
Bio:
Dr. Mark Winborn is a licensed clinical psychologist, Jungian psychoanalyst, and nationally certified psychoanalyst with over 30 years of clinical experience. He provides individual psychoanalytic psychotherapy and psychoanalysis for adults in Memphis, Tennessee. Dr. Winborn is a training/ supervising analyst of the Inter-Regional Society of Jungian Analysts. He has served as the Training Coordinator of the Memphis Jungian Seminar, is on the faculty of the C.G. Jung Institute of Zurich and the Moscow Association for Analytical Psychology as well as visiting faculty at a number of institutes and seminars both in the USA and internationally. He is available for clinical psychoanalytic supervision and speaking engagements.
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Feb 5, 2020 • 1h 51min
52: Neurobiology of the Gods. A conversation with Erik Goodwyn.
In this conversation Dr. Erik Goodwyn and Dr. John Price discuss the foundation of Jung and his place as both a mystical thinker and an empirical thinker; the structure of the psyche; how evolution and structures of language and literature connect; the philosophy of mind – where Jung fits in the analysis of how mind and matter interact; where science and religion interact; ways brain physiology shapes and informs subjective experience, symbols, and stories; cross-cultural links between similar stories; definition of terms such as archetype and collective-unconscious; the nature of reduction and this tendency influences mind and the body; qualia; the genome; epigenetics; dreams and their structure; and more.
Bio:
Dr. Goodwyn received his undergraduate degree from Western Kentucky University in 1996, where he graduated Summa Cum Laude. He received his Master's Degree in Anatomy and Neurobiology from Western Kentucky University in 2000, where he published two articles. In 2005, Dr. Goodwyn received his Medical Degree from the University of Cincinnati. He completed his Psychiatry residency at Wright State University in 2009, where he received a "superior" ranking in every category from Academic/Clinical Evaluation covering residency training.
Dr. Goodwyn has Post-Residency in Psychodynamic Training Psychotherapy and Supervision, which is ongoing 2-4 hours per month (since 2008). Topics include psychodynamic methods, analytical psychology, dream analysis, and relationship between spirituality and psychology. He also has formal accredited post-graduate training in Cognitive Processing Therapy and Prolonged Exposure Therapy for PTSD.
Presently, Dr. Goodwyn is an Instructor at the University of Louisville, Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences. He supervises long-term psychotherapy for psychiatric residents, is an instructor for medical students and residents, provides clinical care (including medication management and psychotherapy for diverse populations) and completes research and academic writing.
His previous work history includes Clinic Chief at the Minot Air Force Base Mental Health Outpatient Services in North Dakota. He was a supervisor and manager for Mental Health, Family Advocacy, Alcohol and Drug Abuse Treatment Clinics. He was a Quality Assurance Provider, which supervised, evaluated, and monitored civilian contractors (including mental health technicians, licensed social workers, and clinical psychologists). He was Chief of the Traumatic Stress Response Team at the Minot Air Force Base. He led Mental Health programs for 11,000 beneficiaries at the largest Personal Reliability Program base in the military. He evaluated hundreds of pre- and post-deployers for mental health symptoms or illness, thereby increased Air Force readiness and reduced risk of trauma. He also performed Sanity Boards for service members under investigation at Whiteman AFB and Grand Forks AFB.
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Jan 22, 2020 • 1h 34min
51: The Body and Soul. A conversation with Debbie Mills.
The podcast delves into the importance of listening to how our body communicates with us, exploring the limitations of the thinking mind and the nature of communication. It discusses integrating psycho-emotional energy, the interconnectedness of body, mind, and energy shaping our experiences, and the transformative impact of yoga. The dialogue emphasizes embracing vulnerability, respecting and understanding our bodies, and connecting with our inner teacher for holistic healing.
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