

LawNext
Populus Radio, Robert Ambrogi
LawNext is a weekly podcast hosted by Bob Ambrogi, who is internationally known for his writing and speaking on legal technology and innovation. Each week, Bob interviews the innovators and entrepreneurs who are driving what's next in the legal industry. From legal technology startups to new law firm business models to enhancing access to justice, Bob and his guests explore the future of law and legal practice.
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Aug 31, 2021 • 47min
Ep 137: PacerPro Founder and CEO Gavin McGrane
Gavin McGrane was a litigation attorney in San Francisco when he saw an opportunity to improve how legal professionals interface with the federal courts electronic records system, PACER, and to enable them to better tap into the data and knowledge contained within that system. In 2012, he founded PacerPro, originally focusing on providing an enhanced interface to the PACER system, but, in the years since, developing it beyond that, into a system that also enables law firms to automate the process of collecting and distributing court documents and properly filing them within a DMS or knowledge system. Now, with a recent Series C investment, PacerPro is working to further develop its product and expand its coverage from federal courts into state courts. On this episode of LawNext, McGrane joins host Bob Ambrogi to share the history and evolution of the company and discuss where he sees it going next. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote. Woodpecker, legal document automation for solo and small firms. A reminder that we are on Patreon. Subscribe to our page to be able to access show transcripts, or to submit a question for our guests.

Aug 23, 2021 • 56min
Ep 136: Reregulation of Legal Services: A Panel of Five Leading Experts Discuss
There may be no more critical issue facing the legal profession than reregulation of legal services. Amid an escalating crisis in access to justice, proponents of regulatory reform argue that the only way to meaningfully address the crisis is to loosen restrictions on non-lawyers investing in and providing legal services. So critical is the issue that GPSolo, the magazine of the American Bar Association's Solo, Small Firm and General Practice Division, has devoted its most recent issue to the topic, assembling a roster of contributors who are among the nation's leading experts on regulatory reform. In this special LawNext episode in conjunction with GPSolo, five of those contributors come together to share and discuss their views on reregulation: Zachariah DeMeola, director of legal education and the legal profession at the Institute for the Advancement of the American Legal System. Joseph Gartner, director and counsel, ABA Center for Innovation. Judy Perry Martinez, past president of the ABA and former chair of the ABA's Presidential Commission on the Future of Legal Services, whose 2016 Report on the Future of Legal Services influenced many of the reform initiatives now underway. Patrick Palace, the past president of the Washington State Bar Association and current member of the executive council of the National Conference of Bar Presidents and the board of the ABA Center for Innovation, who served as editor of the GPSolo issue. Vice Chief Justice Ann A. Scott Timmer of the Arizona Supreme Court, who chaired the Arizona Supreme Court's Task Force on the Delivery of Legal Services, which recommended rules ultimately adopted by the court that created a new tier of legal services provider and eliminated the ban on non-lawyer ownership. Note: For previous LawNext episodes featuring some of these panelists, see: Supreme Court Justice Ann Timmer on Arizona's Sweeping Regulatory Reforms (2021). Incoming ABA President Judy Perry Martinez (July 29, 2019). LawNext Episode 34: Alternative Legal Models – A Panel Discussion (with Patrick Palace and others)(April 9, 2019). Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out.

Aug 17, 2021 • 47min
Ep 135: Northwestern Law's New Dean Hari Osofsky On Leading the School's Next Chapter of Innovation
On Aug.1, Hari M. Osofsky took office as dean of Northwestern University's Pritzker School of Law, after four years as dean of Penn State Law School and nearly two decades of teaching law. Having herself established a reputation for driving innovation, and coming into a school that is already recognized as innovative, her mission is to lead the school's next chapter of innovation. But she also arrives as a profound moment of social change in our society and in the legal profession, a moment that has raised new questions about the nature of legal education and the role of law schools in helping to shape the profession. As she steps into this role, where does she start and what challenges does she face? On this episode of LawNext, Osofsky joins host Bob Ambrogi to discuss her new role and to share her thoughts on legal education, bar admission, legal innovation, and legal regulatory reform. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote. Woodpecker, legal document automation for solo and small firms. A reminder that we are on Patreon. Subscribe to our page to be able to access show transcripts, or to submit a question for our guests.

Aug 9, 2021 • 43min
Ep 134: Zach Posner on The Legaltech Fund, the First VC Firm Dedicated to Legal Tech
Zach Posner cofounded The Legaltech Fund in 2020 as the first venture capital firm laser-focused on law and legal technology. But even with that industry focus, he takes a broad view when it comes to what he considers legal tech, looking for startups that have "legal in the middle," but that may also span fintech, govtech, or consumer tech. Posner, a three-time entrepreneur before becoming an investor and now managing director of The Legaltech Fund, joins host Bob Ambrogi to discuss why he created a fund devoted to legal tech, the opportunities he sees there, and the kinds of companies in which he is interested in investing. He also shares his advice for entrepreneurs pitching a VC firm and offers his views on the broader investment and innovation landscape in legal tech. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote. Woodpecker, legal document automation for solo and small firms. A reminder that we are on Patreon. Subscribe to our page to be able to access show transcripts, or to submit a question for our guests.

Aug 2, 2021 • 41min
Ep 133: In Defense of the Billable Hour, with Apperio CEO Nicholas d'Adhemar
Does the billable hour get a bum rap? Nicholas d'Adhemar, founder and CEO of the London-based spend management company Apperio, believes so. The real culprit for out-of-control legal costs is something else altogether, he believes. By identifying it, d'Adhemar says, both clients and law firms will be better positioned to manage legal costs. In this episode of LawNext, d'Adhemar joins host Bob Ambrogi to discuss why he believes hourly rates, done right, are often a fairer measure of legal costs than fixed or capped fees. He also discusses his founding of the company in 2013, its development since then, and its drive, launched last year, to significantly expand its market in the United States. Before founding Apperio, d'Adhemar worked six years as a lawyer for a large international law firm. After completing his MBA at INSEAD, he spent three years working as an investment manager in a private equity firm. Those experiences, he says, taught him that the fewer the surprises in billing, the happier the client and the law firm — the lesson that inspired him to found Apperio. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote. Woodpecker, legal document automation for solo and small firms. A reminder that we are on Patreon. Subscribe to our page to be able to access show transcripts, or to submit a question for our guests.

Jul 26, 2021 • 48min
Ep 132: Exclusive: How UpCounsel Avoided Shutdown and Why It Is Launching A Crowdfunding Campaign
Sixteen months after UpCounsel announced it would shut down, it is not only alive and well, but showing double-digit revenue growth, consistent profitability, and accelerating demand for legal services through its lawyer marketplace. Now it is launching a crowdfunding campaign with the mission of bringing legal to the people. [The crowdfunding campaign opens to the public July 28, but listeners of this podcast can access the private friends and family campaign, with early investor benefits including a lower valuation cap.] On this episode of LawNext, we look at the Phoenix-like story of how UpCounsel came back from near death, saved at the eleventh hour by new owners and a new management team that reinvented its business model, and why the company is now turning to crowdfunding to raise capital to fuel its growth and development. To tell this story, we are joined by two of the company's top executives: Chief Executive Officer KJ Erickson, a serial entrepreneur who Rolling Stone named in 2017 as one of 25 people shaping the future. Chief Revenue Officer Paul Drobot, a sales veteran who previously led sales at legal tech companies Atrium and Logikcull. This episode is part of a two-part series on UpCounsel that also includes the LawSites blog post: Exclusive: As UpCounsel Launches Crowdfunding Campaign, the Phoenix-like Story Of Its Rise from Near Shutdown. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote. Woodpecker, legal document automation for solo and small firms. A reminder that we are on Patreon. Subscribe to our page to be able to access show transcripts, or to submit a question for our guests.

Jul 20, 2021 • 40min
Ep 131: With $40M Series B, LinkSquares CEO Sets Sights On The Impossible In Contracts Tech
With his contract-management company having just raised $40 million in Series B funding, Linksquares cofounder and CEO Vishal Sunak is aiming for some big goals, including "to build legal tech solutions that simply weren't possible before." In announcing the raise, which brings the company's total funding to $61.4 million, Sunak vowed that the company will develop its AI technology to "offer functionality no one has seen before," and that it will soon introduce "a first-of-its-kind product that will change the way businesses complete the contracting process." Sunak returns to LawNext to discuss this latest funding round and his vision for the future of legal contracting. He was previously a guest on the show in the episode posted on June 2, 2020. That episode goes into more detail about the history of the company and its development. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote. Woodpecker, legal document automation for solo and small firms. A reminder that we are on Patreon. Subscribe to our page to be able to access show transcripts, or to submit a question for our guests.

Jul 12, 2021 • 42min
Ep 130: Legal Ops Pioneer Mary Shen O'Carroll On Moving From Google To Ironclad
Mary Shen O'Carroll pioneered the field of legal operations during her 13 years as director of operations, technology and strategy at Google. She was also instrumental in forming the influential organization CLOC – the Corporate Legal Operations Consortium – and was elected its president in 2019. In April, she walked away from both of those roles, leaving Google and stepping down as CLOC president, to join the contract lifecycle management company Ironclad as chief community officer, where she will scale and lead the company's global community. "In Ironclad, I see the same mix of magic ingredients of community, vision, and talent that I saw in my early days at Google," O'Carroll said in announcing the move. On this episode of LawNext, O'Carroll joins host Bob Ambrogi to discuss her new role and the experiences that brought her here. She also shares her thoughts on the accelerating growth of legal operations in recent years and the increasing prominence of CLOC. Listeners may also be interested in the April 19, 2021, episode of LawNext, in which Ironclad's CEO Jason Boehmig was interviewed. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote. Law Insider, producer of the show Contract Teardown, where they analyze the contracts that others are talking about. A reminder that we are on Patreon. Subscribe to our page to be able to access show transcripts, or to submit a question for our guests.

Jul 7, 2021 • 33min
Ep 129: The Legal Fellows Tackling Systemic Racism in Law
The past year has laid bare, in shockingly explicit detail, the racial inequities of the justice system. Now, LexisNexis and the Historically Black Colleges and University Law School Consortium have partnered to launch a fellowship initiative for 12 law students to spend nine months working to end this systemic racism and further the rule of law. On this episode of LawNext, we discuss this initiative with two of the fellows who are participating in it, as well as with the president of the LexisNexis Rule of Law Foundation, which is providing $120,000 to support each fellow with a $10,000 stipend. LexisNexis is also providing each fellow with dedicated mentorship and recurring professional development sessions to enhance their skills in technology, data analytics, and leadership. Joining host Bob Ambrogi are: Ian McDougall, executive vice president and general counsel of LexisNexis and president of the LexisNexis Rule of Law Foundation. Kailyn Kennedy, a fellow from North Carolina Central University School of Law, who received a fellowship to create webinar programs that offer a space for communication, questions, knowledge, and solutions to be shared about the racial discrepancies in legal employment. Oscar Draughn, a fellow from Florida Agricultural And Mechanical University College of Law, who received a fellowship to create a database of pro se litigant resources in Florida via a digital app with step-by-step tutorials. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote. Law Insider, producer of the show Contract Teardown, where they analyze the contracts that others are talking about. A reminder that we are on Patreon. Subscribe to our page to be able to access show transcripts, or to submit a question for our guests.

Jun 30, 2021 • 42min
Ep 128: Defining the 'Future Ready' Lawyer, with Wolters Kluwer VPs Martin O'Malley and Dean Sonderegger
As the legal profession continues to transform and evolve, how can a law firm or legal department be "future ready"? What are the characteristics that define future-ready organizations and foretell their continued success? Just out from Wolters Kluwer Legal & Regulatory is its 2021 Future Ready Lawyer Survey Report, documenting the top trends affecting legal professionals and looking at how well prepared law firms and legal departments are to address them. And given that this year's report comes in the wake of the global pandemic, it considers the events of 2020 and their impact on the profession now and into the future. To discuss the report and share their insights on it, host Bob Ambrogi is joined by two top executives from Wolters Kluwer: Martin O'Malley, executive vice president and managing director of Wolters Kluwer Legal & Regulatory worldwide. Dean Sonderegger, senior vice president and general manager of Wolters Kluwer Legal & Regulatory US. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote. Law Insider, producer of the show Contract Teardown, where they analyze the contracts that others are talking about. A reminder that we are on Patreon. Subscribe to our page to be able to access show transcripts, or to submit a question for our guests.


