

The Unspeakable Podcast
Meghan Daum
Author, essayist and journalist Meghan Daum has spent decades giving voice—and bringing nuance, humor and surprising perspectives—to things that lots of people are thinking but are afraid to say out loud. Now, she brings her observations to the realm of conversation. In candid, free-ranging interviews, Meghan talks with artists, entertainers, journalists, scientists, scholars, and anyone else who’s willing to do the “unspeakable” and question prevailing cultural and moral assumptions.
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Sep 13, 2020 • 55min
Can The Artist Survive? A Conversation with Writer and Performer Sandra Tsing Loh
When Sandra Tsing Loh was beginning her career in the 1980s, she modeled herself after avant garde performance artists like Laurie Anderson. She even put the "Tsing" in her name because she thought it sounded "Yoko Ono-ish." But after becoming an established figure in the Los Angeles arts scene and a prolific writer for alternative publications, Sandra's life began to change and so did the notion of artistry itself. In this interview, Sandra talks about the realties of making art in the current economic and cultural landscape, the tyranny of promoting your work on social media, "not being Asian enough," and much more. An extended version of this interview is available for second-tier Patreon subscribers at www.Patreon.com/theunspeakable. Guest Bio: Sandra Tsing Loh is a writer, performer, and radio commentator. Her work has been heard on NPR's Morning Edition and This American Life. She is a contributing editor to the Atlantic and host of the syndicated daily radio "minute," The Loh Down on Science. Her latest book is THE MADWOMAN AND THE ROOMBA (W.W. Norton, June 2020). She lives in Pasadena, California.

Sep 6, 2020 • 53min
Uncomfortable Truths About Dating (At Least The Heterosexual Kind): A Conversation with Evan Marc Katz
"We make long term decisions based on short term feelings." - Evan Marc Katz Evan Marc Katz is a dating coach who specializes in high achieving women seeking male partners. But instead of telling his clients to settle for nothing less than their financial, educational, and professional equals, he encourages them to get real about the dating economy and accept some hard truths about human mating patterns. In this conversation, Evan talks about why people overvalue chemistry, why dating apps are better for men than for women, and whether men, as a rule, are more prone to suffering than women are these days. He also razzes lone wolf Meghan about her stubbornness when it comes to romance. Billed as a "personal trainer for smart, strong, successful women," Evan Marc Katz is a dating coach who has been helping singles since 2003. He is the author of four books, most recently Believe In Love, and has been featured in hundreds of media outlets, including Today, the New York Times, and CNN. Since 2015, Evan's blog has over 30 million readers, his podcast has over 1 million downloads and 12,000 women have graduated from Love U, his six-month video course that helps women understand men and find love. Evan is very happily married and lives in Los Angeles with his wife and their two children. Visit him at www.evanmarckatz.com.

Aug 30, 2020 • 1h 12min
What Does Postmodernism Have To Do With Social Justice? Helen Pluckrose Explains It All
British academic Helen Pluckrose is the co-author, with James Lindsay, of Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything About Race, Gender, and Identity-And Why This Harms Everybody. She was also part of an infamous academic hoax wherein "grievance studies" papers about subjects such as fat bodybuilding and dog park rape culture were accepted for publication in established journals. In this interview, Helen talks about how the social philosophy known as critical theory came to inform mainstream culture and politics and how we can understand it better while also stop pretending to understand what is fundamentally nonsense. She also gives a concise definition of "intersectionality" and offers tips on what to say when your friend or boss asks you to read White Fragility. Helen Pluckrose is a liberal political and cultural writer and commentator currently focusing on postmodernism and Critical Social Justice scholarship and activism. She is the editor of Areo, a digital magazine looking at politics, culture, science and art from a broadly liberal and humanist perspective. Helen's background is in late medieval and early modern religious writing by and about women. She took part in the "grievance studies affair" with James Lindsay and Peter Boghossian and her book with James Lindsay breaking down Critical Social Justice scholarship is entitled Cynical Theories: How Universities Made Everything about Race Gender and Identity - And How This Harms Everyone.

Aug 23, 2020 • 1h 29min
Why Are So Many Kids Saying They're Trans? (And How Big A Deal Is This?)
We forget that beyond thoughts and ideas and language there is a three-dimensional reality that gives us valuable experiences and can teach us a lot about how to be in the world. - Sasha Ayad In this edition of the podcast, Meghan speaks with Sasha Ayad, a Licensed Professional Counselor who treats adolescents and young adults dealing with issues related to gender identity. Over the last few years, the number of teens announcing transgender identities has increased dramatically. Some statistics point to increases of more than 1000 percent in the annual rate of children seeking specialized gender services. Sasha talks about what may be driving this phenomenon, why it's more common in girls, why trans identification often appears in clusters within peer groups, and how the power of trans activism has affected treatment models and standards of care. Sasha Ayad is a Licensed Professional Counselor who works in private practice, and has treated adolescents for over 10 years. Her work focuses on teens and young adults struggling with issues of gender dysphoria and gender identity. She became interested in the sharp rise in teenagers, mostly girls, who declare a trans identity for the first time during adolescence. She discovered, through working with hundreds of families, that teens were developing gender dysphoria only after adopting a transgender identity. She questions the practice of medical transition for children and adolescents, and her clinical work focuses on a developmentally appropriate, least-invasive-first talk therapy approach to gender dysphoria. Visit her at www.inspiredteentherapy.com

Aug 16, 2020 • 1h 13min
Can We Get Smarter About Policing? A conversation with Professor of Police Science (and former Baltimore cop) Peter Moskos
"You're far less likely to be shot as a black man in New York City than as a white man in Tulsa." - Peter Moskos In this episode, Meghan talks with Peter Moskos, a professor of law and police science at John Jay College of Criminal Justice who also happens to be a former Baltimore City police officer. They discuss the media's role in public perceptions of policing, the various definitions of "defund the police, the impact of ubiquitous cameras and viral videos and what big city police departments get right that smaller ones tend to get wrong. Peter also talks about the death of George Floyd and shares his theory about what the other officers on the scene might have been thinking as they watched the events transpire. Professor Peter Moskos (A.B. Princeton, PhD Harvard) is chairperson of the Department of Law, Police Science, and Criminal Justice Administration at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City. He is the director of John Jay College's NYPD Executive Master's Program and a former Baltimore City Police Officer. In addition to his primary duties at John Jay College, Moskos is a faculty member in CUNY's Doctoral Program in Sociology, has taught introductory criminal justice classes at LaGuardia Community College in Queens, and is a Senior Fellow of the Yale Urban Ethnography Project. Moskos is the author of three books: Cop in the Hood, In Defense of Flogging, and Greek Americans. In 2011 he was recognized as one of The Atlantic Magazine's "Brave Thinkers" of the year. Visit his website at www.petermoskos.com

Aug 9, 2020 • 48min
Dr. Drew Is Worried About A Health Crisis In Critical Thinking
"No one escapes. Everyone ends up in the guillotine eventually." In this episode of the podcast, Meghan speaks with celebrity physician Dr. Drew Pinsky, whose career in both medicine and media dates back to the 1980s, when he began co-hosting the nationally syndicated call-in radio program Loveline. Recorded in May on the heels of a controversy over some of Drew's initial comments about the coronavirus pandemic, this conversation delves into Drew's theories about how trauma is driving social media mobs, his own "traumatic reenactments" and how the whole world has been taken over by the Dunning Kruger Effect. They also talk about the inherent uncertainties of epidemiological medicine and how some of the chaotic public health messaging of the AIDS crisis mirrors what we're experiencing today around COVID-19. Visit Dr. Drew at www.drdrew.com

Aug 2, 2020 • 1h 6min
Leigh Stein on the rise and fall of the #GirlBoss and her new novel, Self Care
"It feels so good to feel like you're on the right side of history." In this episode of the podcast, Meghan talks with novelist Leigh Stein, whose wickedly satirical new novel Self Care sends up internet influencers and Goop-flavored millennial startup culture while also slyly poking fun at the commodification of social justice activism. Leigh discusses the feminism, capitalism, and "performative workaholism" that inspired her novel and talks about how she went from being "part of the woke mob" to embracing more nuanced discussions. Leigh Stein is the author of four books, including the novel Self Care. From 2014-2017, she ran a secret Facebook group of 40,000 women writers, in her role as cofounder and executive director of Out of the Binders/BinderCon, a feminist nonprofit organization. She's been called a "leading feminist" by the Washington Post and "poet laureate of The Bachelor" by The Cut. Self-Care has been called "highbrow brilliant" by New York Magazine's Approval Matrix and is on numerous must-read summer book lists, including those of Cosmopolitan, Esquire, Publisher's Weekly and Vulture. Visit Leigh at www.leighstein.com

Jul 23, 2020 • 1h 8min
Gen X Girl Talk With Evolutionary Biologist Heather Heying
**Recorded July 15th** "I do think on average men are more likely to be more disruptive than necessary and women are more likely to be less disruptive than necessary" - Dr. Heather Heying Evolutionary biologist Dr. Heather Heying has emerged over the last few years as a free speech advocate, largely because of her connection to a now-infamous set of protests at Evergreen State College, where she and husband, evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein, taught for fifteen years. But less is known about Heather's own story. In a wide-ranging conversation that covers sex differences, sex discrimination, and what it was like to grow up in the 1970s and 1980s as a girl who felt "invincible," Heather talks about doing field work in Madagascar, wanting to be a science fiction writer, and why there aren't more women in the "Intellectual Dark Web." GUEST BIO: Heather Heying is a scientist, educator, and author. Currently a Visiting Fellow in the James Madison Program at Princeton, she was a professor at The Evergreen State College for 15 years, where she pushed students from their comfort zones, in part through exploring remote sites in the neotropics. She earned her PhD in Biology from the University of Michigan, receiving the university's top honor for her dissertation, and has a B.A. in Anthropology. Her first book is Antipode (2002), written while she was studying the sex lives of poison frogs in Madagascar. With husband Bret Weinstein, she is now writing A Hunter-Gatherer's Guide to the 21st Century, which will provide an evolutionary toolkit for living a good and honorable life as an ape in the 21st century. Visit Heather Heying at https://heatherheying.com